Time to man up Vitali!

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Let be honest we all knew that Haye would not retire imo it was just a plan to make Wladamer fight him! Haye has said he wants to fight Vitali so now it is time for Vitali to man up and accept the challenge. The heavyweight division is boring without Haye and it needs him to beat Vitali to add excitement. Hayes fight with Chisora was better than all of the Klitchkos fights combined! So why wont Vitali fight Haye? Imo Vitali knows Haye would destroy him. Look at who the Klitchkos have been fighting they are guys that nobody has heard of?? Vitali says he is getting into politics but imo this is an excuse so he can take easy fights. He is far to old and slow and Haye would have to much speed and skill for him. If Vitali does not accept Hayes challenge he should retire because tbh no one wants to see him fight nobodies. Haye v Vitali is the fight people want to see in the heavyweights and then a rematch with Wlad after Haye destroys Vitali it would be a grudge match! I reckon Vitali could barely beat chisora and then he saw how Haye destroyed him and thought thanks but no thanks so now he is saying he will get into politics but lets be honest what does a boxer like Vitali know about politics?? So man up Vitali and accept Hayes challenge he said he wants the fight it is the fight everyone wants to see!

Interceptor wrote:If the fight does go ahead and he won then sure id say it was a great win for guy. I just dont think he has some divine right to fight Vitali as he hasnt earned it.

The guy was WBA Champion in the fight before his last - he attempted to unify the belts, fought for them all and lost via decision (albeit one sided) in a fight that people seem to now look at with dark critique. Haye fought well in that match. he was ineffective. But he did push Wlad the hardest he's gone in a very long time, he fought the very best Wladimir we've ever seen, and one that wanted to knock him out. Haye was elusive, didn't let Wlad tee off on him and did (despite detractors) go for the win. His conduct afterwards and the blame game about his toe and such shouldn't take away from the fact that inside the ring, he fought the best most skilled heavyweight in the world, giving up incredible height, reach and weight advantages, and pushed it to a decision.

I'm no fan of Haye, the man is a clown - but he is leaps and bounds ahead of every other heavyweight out there, he held the WBA title, and although we question his defenses - he fought his mandatory in John Ruiz (thats not our fault or his that the division is so bad) and he wanted to shut up that moron we've been hearing shouting that he's going to be champion. He won both, convincingly and then proceeded to destroy within the distance, a boxer that Vitali couldn't finish off in 12.

I'd say Haye deserves it.

Oh and whomever dared say he was an "alright" cruiser - the man cleaned up. Second only to Holyfield.

Better than Qawi?

I'd say so - may be patriotism that is forcing that opinion though.

Fair enough comments chaps.

Personally have a different view of the Wlad fight, didnt think Haye fought that well. This was before I heard about his manky toe. Still trying to get the image of it out of my head.

Agree that he wasnt just an "alright cruiser".

Cant really disagree about Chris' comment regarding performances in their last outings but cant say the result was unexpected.

Not an unexpected result, mate, just more the nature of the the win. I think most were expecting Haye to be on his bike and perhaps have to overcome some rocky moments. The way he took Chisora apart so emphatically would have left a few people surprised, I'm sure.

I'm sure some were suprised dude, I had faith that he would knock his block off.

When I paid my money and watched the Wlad fight, I was the same as you - but then I watched it back and thought....you know, he didn't do too badly. Not great, it was a shutout, Haye took maybe 2 rounds at best if you were generous, but he made sure Wladimir couldn't fight his fight. Just because it was once sided, doesn't mean the other boxer was rubbish and should be villified. I hear things like "gutless" and "cowardly" and such, if you were rich enough to not need it, if you could retire a champion - would you willingly stand infront of a guy 4 inches taller, 50lbs heavier and regarded as a much better boxer?

I guess I was just very disappointed, for all thay Hayes promised I didnt look like he tried his hardest, but that could be down to Wlad being that much better that and like you said it was a shutout.

I certainly wasnt one of the people with knee jerk reactions saying he was a coward or gutless, i dont see how anyone that gets in the ring can be called that.

Truss likes calling boxers that, it was a little sly dig I probably shouldn't be taking (hi mods ) but felt the need to anyway.

The only fight that would be worth talking about in the Heavyweight division is if the Klitchkos fought each other.

Nobody in the Heavy weight division is in the same class as either of them, so the only fight would be between the two best in the division.

We've seen before titles and belts stripped by the goverening body, because a boxer refuses to fight the mandatory challenger, why have they never made them mandatory challenger to each other, and either fight each other or lose their belts?

Haye is an all time great cruiserweight

Waingro wrote:Haye is an all time great cruiserweight

So is Johnny Nelson

Mate Haye would absolutely destroy Johnny Nelson far to much skill, speed and power for him.

Vitali Klistchko would knock out this over hyped heavyweight bum. Simples.

lol then why wont he man up and prove it!! Imo Vitali knows Haye would destroy him!

Waingro wrote:Mate Haye would absolutely destroy Johnny Nelson far to much skill, speed and power for him.

Did anyone argue to the contrary?

Waingro wrote:Mate Haye would absolutely destroy Johnny Nelson far to much skill, speed and power for him.

lol no imo Nelson would batter Haye lol it wouldn't even be close. I mean look at when Nelson fought Carl Thompson, he destroyed him and had way too much quality for him lol. But look at when Haye fought a past his prime Carl Thompson! lol he got destroyed himself so if Nelson beat Thompson but Haye lost to him I think it shows that Nelson would have way too much quality for Haye imo.

Can I just say all joking aside Nelson vs Haye is by no means the gimme many would have you believe. Forget the DeLeon or Wareing fights, during his title reign Johnny was a whole different animal, was nobody's idea of a fun nights viewing but had power when he let his hands go, was very elusive or tricky to catch cleanly and when tagged his chin tended to come through the test.

Better fighter than he gets credit for.

Waingro wrote:lol then why wont he man up and prove it!! Imo Vitali knows Haye would destroy him!

Troll. How do you work that out? When has Vitali EVER looked really troubled? He lost against Lennox Lewis on cuts whilst ahead on scorecards. Was a brilliant fight and neither man looked wobbled. Could have been a classic.

He lost against Byrd when he wrecked his shoulder, whilst being ahead on the scorecards (89-82 i think - or along those lines).

So 2 defeats by injuries.

You think a blown up Cruiserweight will pop up and smash this guy in?? Lewis hit him with rocked propelled fists and he took them.

Had Haye landed on wladamir, id agree with you. But when he lands on Vitali, i dont see it having such a drastic effect.

Vitali to walk Haye down (eating shots on his way in), tire him out, and stop him between rounds 8-10.

Haye to retire and nobody to really remember him.

Klitschko is known for his powerful punches and durable chin. With a 87.23% knockout percentage rate, he holds the second best knockout-to-fight ratio of any champion in heavyweight boxing history, after Rocky Marciano's 87.76%. He has never been knocked down in any professional boxing bout and has also never lost a decision. His two losses have come via a shoulder injury during a fight and a deep cut above his eye, which were recorded as TKO losses. In both fights, however, he was leading on the scorecards. His power and his possession of a PhD have led to his nickname, Dr. Ironfist.

To be fair though, alot of Hayes chances are based on how advanced Vitali is at this stage. He would be 41 years old for his fight with Haye. He has dodgy shoulders and is slower now which I think has affected his power. His chin still seems good but its not going to last forever. Theres no way guys like Chisora or Briggs would hear the final bell with a Vitali closer to his peak in my view. I think Vitali would beat Haye in the next 12 month period but he is not as formidable as he once was and his injuries seem to be catching up with him more and more. If they do fight I would be surprised if Vitali was able to take Haye out. I would go for Vitali on points.

Ah well, the pack hounds are out again.

Getting stopped on a horrendous cut caused by your opponents punches is hardly the definition of being stopped by an injury.

Lewis absolutely destroyed Vitali look at the guys face if that fight had not been stopped Vitali would have been knocked out or his career ruined so imo he was lucky it was stopped when it was.

If they had fought in Germany, Vitali would have destroyed Lewis imo.

lol mate if the fight was in Germany then Vitali might win by a robbery but tbh I think Lewis would knock him out! The guys face was destroyed in the first fight it was one of the worst i have seen!

So Froch would beat Ward in Nottingham but not by robbery. But by being the better boxer against a superior opponent. But not Vitali against Lewis.

azania wrote:So Froch would beat Ward in Nottingham but not by robbery. But by being the better boxer against a superior opponent. But not Vitali against Lewis.

Ward is a good boxer dont get me wrong but he does not like to travel and imo Froch is at his best when he is at home in front of his own fans. I do not think Froch chose the right gameplan against Ward but at home I think he would know what to expect and with the crowd behind him he would have to much for Ward who has not tested himself away from home. The first fight was close so with a new gameplan and home advantage Froch would beat Ward imo look at what he did to Bute who was also unbeaten this shows how much better froch is at home. Lewis would destroy Vitali anywhere lets be honest he beat Vitali when he was at his worst an absolutely busted Vitali up even if the fight is in Germany Vitali is getting knocked out! Lewis has far to much skill and power for him!

He might win by robbery in Germany...and yet most of us had him ahead when the fight was stopped on cuts...

this is the worst thread i have ever read on here. well done wanger you have reached a new low!!!

Vitali is not a true champ if he does not fight he he already wont fight his brother and now he wont fight Haye either tbh he just wants easy fights which what the Klitchkos have always done.

Why should he fight his brother? Serious question 'gro. He will fight Haye next though.....imo tbf.lol.

Maybe Vitali does not want to fight his brother that is his choice but he should not be allowed be a world champion it is stupid having two brothers who are world champions and then wont fight each other how can anyone tell who is the best which is the point of being a world champion?? The Klitchkos team up on all the other fighters and now Vtali is ducking Haye so imo he is not a true champ and should not have a world title unless he fights the best out there like Haye which he has not done.

Waingro wrote:Vitali is not a true champ if he does not fight he he already wont fight his brother and now he wont fight Haye either tbh he just wants easy fights which what the Klitchkos have always done.

So outside of the great David Haye & the even greater Valuev which other great hw's of the last 10 years have they ducked?

& btw Wlad did actually fight & beat Haye

The point of replying is?

Some people dont realise how good Haye is he would have to much speed, skill and power for Vitali who does not want the fight. Haye has called him out and absolutely destroyed Chisora who was in a close fight with Vitali so this shows how good he is. Look at who Vitali fought in his last fight nobody had even heard of him so how can people say Haye does not deserve a shot he is far better than any other heavyweight out there??

It appears Haye could be waiting some time for Vitali to man up if the reports from the Ukraine are to be believed.

http://news.yahoo.com/big-hitting-klitschko-surges-polls-ukraine-election-141747965--box.html

rowley wrote:It appears Haye could be waiting some time for Vitali to man up if the reports from the Ukraine are to be believed.

http://news.yahoo.com/big-hitting-klitschko-surges-polls-ukraine-election-141747965--box.html

lol that is a joke what does Vitali know about politics?? If the Ukranians vote for him then their country will be a mess this guy is a boxer not a politician maybe they should watch his fight against Lewis where he got destroyed and see if they want to still vote for him!?

Waingro wrote:

lol that is a joke what does Vitali know about politics??

Not sure, however being fluent in four languages and educated to doctoral level suggests learning and self improvement are not beyond him.

Vitali is an intelligent guy.........

You sound like one of these Tories that go around calling people... plebs!!

No offence Rowley!!

Then again I work with mostly right wing nuts so I'm probably conversing with the d******d in the office next to me...

I'll have to open his door tomorrow and shout "Waingro" and see If he has an outed look on his face!!!!

Waingro wrote:

azania wrote:Under a year ago I was saying that Haye would beat Vitali because Vitali, who is Wlad's brother (in honour of the thread starter) was slow, plodding and there for the taking. I was roundly criticised and attacked by all corners. Now most are saying he stands a very good chance of winning but that he doesn't deserve it.

Maybe so, but this is boxing where the undeserving get handed belts and the deserving get shafter because allegedly they don't bring money to the table.

Haye brings shed loads of money. He brings interest to the sport and some skill (with mouth and hands). His KO of Del was impressive whichever way you wanrt to look at it. Yes Del was coming of 3 losses in 4 fights. Look at those losses. One outright robbery, one where he was fat and out of shape and one against the world champ. The manner of victory was impressive in that many thought Del would walk him down and Haye would run.

Del walked him down and Haye stood his ground and flattened Del in a devestating manner. Vit didn't even shake Del yet a gut 4 stone lighter took him out. Impressive.

Lets hope the fight goes ahead and for the sake of HW boxing, Haye scores a legit KO.

Bring on the rematch and Wlad to gain more credibility in finally holding all belts and knocking out Haye (which he will).

You are right mate I have ben watching UFC and MMA more and more recently because in those sports the best fights get made and fighters are not allowed to duck other fighters shamelessly. How can people say Haye does not deserve a shot look at who the Klitchkos have been fighting lately none of these guys are anywhere near as god as Haye it is embarrassing! Imo Vitali saw how Haye destroyed Chisora and decided he did not want the fight look at how he is using politics as an excuse this shows that he knows that Haye would destroy him!

On what basis do you claim that the fighters the Ks have fought are not as good as Haye. Has Haye beaten these fighters. These guys earned their shots by actually fighting and beating other ranked heavyweights. Haye on the other hand expects to get big fights by simply telling everyone he deserves them. Let Haye fight a Eddie Chambers and prove that he is worthy to share a ring with Vitali. He had his chance and ran like a girl against Wlad. Let Haye retire to say the sport needs him is nonsense.

Heavyweight boxing needs Haye he is the most exciting heavyweight out there. The Klitchkos have been killing heavyweight boxing for to long with their boring fights and fighting fat americans and fighters nobody have heard of! Haye has called Vitali out so why wont Vitali accept his challenge?? Haye ha said he wants the fight but Vitali is pretending to be a politician which is something he knows nothing about! How can people say Haye does not deserve a shot he is far better than the guys the Klitchkos have been fighting who deserves a shot more than Haye??

"Haye has called Vitali out....so why not accept his challenge"

So If I called him out I should get a shot...

I'd love a $2 million purse and reckon being 6ish and 210 and relatively quick I could give him a workout...so why not???

Then I can get a divorce... leave work....hand over the kids and go and live on a desert island...

Sounds great!!

Vitali I want you!!!

Mate... his brother made Haye run like a thief.....

Why should he be interested???????????????

Vitali should be interested if he wants to be known as a true champ who fights the best which Haye is. At the moment he is not a true champ imo because he is fighting nobodies and saying he is in politics instead of accepting Hayes challenge! Haye has also aid he will accept less than 50/50 which he got against Wlad so no excuses for Vitali this time!

Vitali has been available for Haye for years, and Vitali has offered him the fight countless times only for Haye to decide he would rather fight Harrison, Valuev and Chisora, but apparently now Haye has run out of easy paydays and decided he wants the fight Vitali should shelve any retirement plans or interests outside the ring to accommodate him.

Vitali has earned his retirement and whether he chooses to fight Haye before taking it is largely his business, am absolutely certain his standing will not be hurt in the eyes of anyone outside the UK one bit whichever course of action he chooses.

I dont think Vitali will be remembered as a true champ if he does not fight Haye. The Klitchkos have used excuses about money and contracts in the past for not wanting to fight Haye but Haye has said to Vitali he will take less than 50/50 so Vitali cant use this excuse for not accepting Hayes challenge. Look at Bowe who ducked Lewis people still remember that so how can you say people will forget that Vitali ducked Haye??

Waingro wrote: The Klitchkos have used excuses about money and contracts in the past for not wanting to fight Haye

Woudl seem appropriate at this point to remind you one of them has fought Haye and beat him comfortably.

Jeff, I greatly admire your tolerance and forbearance, which apparently know no limits. Since your interlocutor has apparently got just the one thing to say, albeit sometimes with a different order of words for variety, have you considered the possibility of cutting and pasting a single answer to him for all occasions, just to make your busy life a little less onerous?

I think you werent here when Froch announced his fight date against bute... on a weekend where Jazzy jeff was busy with family duties elsewhere in the country Rowleys saintly forbearance yielded to petulance and self pity. It seems Jeff has a infinite capacity to tolerate things he has a little liking for and none whatsoever for things he dislikes.

Also - he was the one who paved the way for waingros return with the dreaded "I miss waingro. There, I said it" So shelve your admiration and prepare the guillotine