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The trick is to find a DM who can pass the ball and bring it forward, like Khedira/Toulalan/Barry although it does Barca and Spain no harm to have Busquets there.

I think it depends on the other midfielders. If the other midfielders are more naturally attacking, then I think you need one to sit more naturally deeper.

It also depends on your defenders. Are your CBs less mobile and in need of the protection. Do your FBs bomb on a lot, and therefore need covering

Anyone got any Italians for sale?

Morning

COME ON ENGLAND (U21's and Seniors)

God that feels wierd compared to the come on city haha

How we all?

Morning tooze.

I can do sheep questions if someone is willing to take in the answers.

Got me a new Samsung Galaxy. I won't get partisan because of the Apple/Android factions, but it is a fantastic phone. Much lighter than my old HTC, and much faster.

Which Samsung Galaxy?

It's only the S2, so not the newest

But I got everything unlimited for a cheap price so I'm happy enough

Thats Good then Soddy

I just have a cheap phone from sainsburys, the vodafone facebook one. which does the job for me

Thinking

Foster
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Berbatov-Saviola

Name an illegal drug in the UK?

What is another name for Marijuana?

What drug would you most like to see made legal in the UK?

Scarface or The Godfather?

Name an alcoholic drink?

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

What is the best city in the UK outside of Bradford?

Who killed Tupac?

Who would win in a fight, Jet Li or Bruce Lee?

Which footballer would you like to see get permanently injured?

If you were in The Matrix, what colour pill would you take, Blue Or Red?

Someone want to take in the answers?

Nadz, the rule is if you ask the questions then you have to take the answers

And there are far too many 50/50 questions there.

Name an illegal drug in the UK?
Ketamine

What is another name for Marijuana?
Dope

What drug would you most like to see made legal in the UK?
None

Scarface or The Godfather?
Godfather

Name an alcoholic drink?
Lager

What came first, the chicken or the egg?
The Egg

What is the best city in the UK outside of Bradford?
Leeds (it's outside of Bradford)

Who killed Tupac?
Justin Bieber

Who would win in a fight, Jet Li or Bruce Lee?
Jackie Chan

Which footballer would you like to see get permanently injured?
None

Someone want to take in the answers?
No

Viva, I think the whole DM thing is a sham. As you say a lot of team dont play with a specilist DM yet have sucsess.

Marky you missed the last question.

Uniteds CM is pretty dire though.

Arsenal have used the likes of Viera (at times), Gilberto, Flamini and Song.

I disagree, but I think I have a slightly different idea of what counts as a DM, in all the top sides:

Arsenal - Arteta
Chelsea - Mikel
Man City - Barry/Javi Garcia
Man Utd - Carrick
Newcastle - Tiote
Tottenham - Parker/Sandro

Every team needs that 'boring' player in midfield who will just keep the ball and sit. Doesn't mean they stay back 100% of the time but nine times out of ten. I can go round all the European sides as well if you want?

Ruddy to Start for England tonight? With Hodgson saying he will be resting key players. Big Chance for him to shine if he does

It's San Marino, I'll be impressed if he gets 5 touches.

Im really struggling to care about the England game.

Maybe stick a tenner on England to win, would win me 10p

If you lot want to know what a DM is then look at Claude Makelelle. He is the type of player who always stays back and protects the back four.

Tbh we should've just handed out lifetime achievement awards for this game.

50p on England to win at 1/200 returns 50p.

I'd call Makelele, Mikel and De Jong 'pure' DM's, but I don't think it's necessary to have one, as long as you have someone like Carrick, Arteta etc.

I agree with Trebs, every team needs a midfielder to shield the back four and do the simple things

That doesn't mean he is 6ft 6, sprinting around breaking legs though, just someone disciplined and tactically astute. Look at Arteta at Arsenal this year, or Noble at West Ham. Not classic "DMs" but being disciplined and shielding the defence before setting the team on attacks.

The Samsung S2 is a brilliant phone, I rather have that over any Iphone because you can do so much more on it.

VivaPaulScholes wrote:The Samsung S2 is a brilliant phone, I rather have that over any Iphone because you can do so much more on it.

Yeah, I've already made a fried egg. iPhone only does poached.

Yeah but at West Ham as a midfielder you're either defending or standing near the target man.

Arsenal also use Diaby as b2b this year, last year Song declined to actually defend.

My phone does everything except make phone calls

I agree with Sodhat, you don't need to be a tough tackling, power house, leg cruncher to be classed as a DM. It's the players positioning and tactical awareness that I rate above being a good tackler to play as a DM.

Prevent danger rather then cure danger is my motto, thats why the tough tackler is not needed as much for me but I still play one in fear of being marked down.

Song isn't a DM at all, he's more of a box to box and would be good alongside a Carrick type player. Like Yaya Toure or Darren Fletcher.

onlytreblewinners wrote:Song isn't a DM at all, he's more of a box to box and would be good alongside a Carrick type player. Like Yaya Toure or Darren Fletcher.

No, Song is clearly a CB!

Just like Mascherano. Clever Barca.

He used to be. Also played CB for a spell.

Also for those teams

Arsenal - Arteta
Chelsea - Mikel
Man City - Barry/Javi Garcia
Man Utd - Carrick
Newcastle - Tiote
Tottenham - Parker/Sandro

Arsenal and United are the only ones who you can say aren't really DMs (also I don't rate Carrick, theres keeping the ball and continually going backwards)

Alex Song stop defending back in 1995 he see's himself as a playmaker, playing the long diagonal balls to RVP and thinks his some real bad boy.

Johnson/Tettey are our DM's imo. with howson and fox being more box to box

Name an illegal drug in the UK?
Cocaine
What is another name for Marijuana?
Weed
What drug would you most like to see made legal in the UK?
All of them
Scarface or The Godfather?
Scarface
Name an alcoholic drink?
Gin and Tonic
What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Egg
What is the best city in the UK outside of Bradford?
Bradistan
Who killed Tupac?
Notorious B.I.G
Who would win in a fight, Jet Li or Bruce Lee?
Jet Li
Which footballer would you like to see get permanently injured?
Lionel Messi
If you were in The Matrix, what colour pill would you take, Blue Or Red?
Blue

Saying whether they need a DM is far too general. it depends entirely on the tactics and the rest of the team.

GSC wrote:He used to be. Also played CB for a spell.

Also for those teams

Arsenal - Arteta
Chelsea - Mikel
Man City - Barry/Javi Garcia
Man Utd - Carrick
Newcastle - Tiote
Tottenham - Parker/Sandro

Arsenal and United are the only ones who you can say aren't really DMs (also I don't rate Carrick, theres keeping the ball and continually going backwards)

How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

BigFellasAfro wrote:Saying whether they need a DM is far too general. it depends entirely on the tactics and the rest of the team.

Also this. Its not strictly necessary in a 4-4-2, but I'd gambit its a good idea to play one in a 3 man midfield

onlytreblewinners wrote:

GSC wrote:He used to be. Also played CB for a spell.

Also for those teams

Arsenal - Arteta
Chelsea - Mikel
Man City - Barry/Javi Garcia
Man Utd - Carrick
Newcastle - Tiote
Tottenham - Parker/Sandro

Arsenal and United are the only ones who you can say aren't really DMs (also I don't rate Carrick, theres keeping the ball and continually going backwards)

How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

I shook his hand once when he was about 18 and I was 9 or so. Couldn't understand what he said with his Geordie voice though.

onlytreblewinners wrote:

GSC wrote:He used to be. Also played CB for a spell.

Also for those teams

Arsenal - Arteta
Chelsea - Mikel
Man City - Barry/Javi Garcia
Man Utd - Carrick
Newcastle - Tiote
Tottenham - Parker/Sandro

Arsenal and United are the only ones who you can say aren't really DMs (also I don't rate Carrick, theres keeping the ball and continually going backwards)

How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

Come off it. Carrick wouldn't get near any of the top Spanish teams. Because as a nation we've produced comparatively few ball players compared to other countries, anybody who can pass a ball instantly gets hyped. Hes far too negative for me, rarely moves the ball forward

GSC wrote:

onlytreblewinners wrote:

GSC wrote:He used to be. Also played CB for a spell.

Also for those teams

Arsenal - Arteta
Chelsea - Mikel
Man City - Barry/Javi Garcia
Man Utd - Carrick
Newcastle - Tiote
Tottenham - Parker/Sandro

Arsenal and United are the only ones who you can say aren't really DMs (also I don't rate Carrick, theres keeping the ball and continually going backwards)

How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

Come off it. Carrick wouldn't get near any of the top Spanish teams. Because as a nation we've produced comparatively few ball players compared to other countries, anybody who can pass a ball instantly gets hyped. Hes far too negative for me, rarely moves the ball forward

I'll counter that with another argument. If Pirlo was English, would he be anywhere near the England squad? No.

onlytreblewinners wrote:How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

Because you get numpties like you who say he's 'one of the best midfielders in the world'

If Carrick was so good, he'd be an England regular, have 80 caps by now, be rated by everyone and have been chased by big clubs for years. The people who under-rate Carrick - who is a decent player - don't under-rate him nearly as much as the people who over-rate him over-rate him. He'd struggle to make a top 50 midfielders in the world, in all honesty.

Carrick doesn't do enough consistently to warrant the praise some give him. But on his day he's a quality back-up to Lampard/Gerrard who quite simply are better than him.

Pirlo made more forward passes in 1 game vs England than Carrick does in a month

Azzy Mahmood wrote:

onlytreblewinners wrote:How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

Because you get numpties like you who say he's 'one of the best midfielders in the world'

If Carrick was so good, he'd be an England regular, have 80 caps by now, be rated by everyone and have been chased by big clubs for years. The people who under-rate Carrick - who is a decent player - don't under-rate him nearly as much as the people who over-rate him over-rate him. He'd struggle to make a top 50 midfielders in the world, in all honesty.

Don't forget, he retired from England because he wasn't a regular.

onlytreblewinners wrote:

GSC wrote:He used to be. Also played CB for a spell.

Also for those teams

Arsenal - Arteta
Chelsea - Mikel
Man City - Barry/Javi Garcia
Man Utd - Carrick
Newcastle - Tiote
Tottenham - Parker/Sandro

Arsenal and United are the only ones who you can say aren't really DMs (also I don't rate Carrick, theres keeping the ball and continually going backwards)

How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

its this funny thing that United fans rate him highly, everyone else doesn't. I think he is a good player, but United need better to step up IMO. They need a true Roy Keane type in there instead.

If Pirlo was English, would he be anywhere near the England squad? No.

If Pirlo was English, yes he would. He'd have been Scholes' replacement when he retired. Comparing Carrick to Pirlo is just crazy.

Azzy Mahmood wrote:

onlytreblewinners wrote:How people can't rate Carrick is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand it, I feel he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

Because you get numpties like you who say he's 'one of the best midfielders in the world'

If Carrick was so good, he'd be an England regular, have 80 caps by now, be rated by everyone and have been chased by big clubs for years. The people who under-rate Carrick - who is a decent player - don't under-rate him nearly as much as the people who over-rate him over-rate him. He'd struggle to make a top 50 midfielders in the world, in all honesty.

England have missed out on a few players like that though, ones that don't necessarily fit the classic English mentality.

Carrick was unfortunate to be behind Lampard/Gerrard, but to have someone like Gareth Barry with more England caps than him is a pretty big aberration in my opinion (no offence to whomever has Barry on here).