Roach wants khan to take on Manny after Bradley

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Hey all. Used to read evryday on the old 606 but never really posted much. Been on here a while now and dont really post but i do read everyday. Some good stuff on here!

Anyway I read this morning on SSN that Roach wants Kahn to move up to WW after unifying against Bradley and take on Manny. "Their fight will determine who is the best at 140lbs and then the winner should go up to 147 and take on Manny Pacquiao," he said. "That is my feeling."

Only a few weeks ago Kahn himself stated that he would not be interested with his friend and stablemate but now appears to have had a change of heart. "Fighting at 147 would suit me better. I'd be stronger, more powerful at welterweight," he said.

So what do you guys think? Is it a bit of talk to stir up some more interest in future Kahn fights after the fiasco with sky this weekend? Does he really believe Kahn can actually beat Manny? Do YOU think Kahn can beat Manny in a few fights time?

Do you think we will ever see this fight?

BALTIMORA wrote:Looks like the same old rubbish going on here then. I thought there was a 'fresh start'. None of us can presume to know more than any other what thoughts are inside the heads of these guys. I'm sick and tired of hearing PRESUMPTION presented as though it were fact.

I gave an opinion of something that could be a possibility. Never stated facts.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:But Floyd still took his friend on. Khan's excuse is pathetic.

Floyd would fight his mother if the money was right.

At least the fight would still get made.

Why are you so against Khan fighting Manny?

I'm not, I think Manny would KO Khan with in 6 though, but I understand their reasons for not wanting to fight each other.

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:It's not impossible that Roach is looking out for himself. Manny is his star but he's into politics now and won't have many more fights. Roach would know better than anyone the best time for Khan to face Manny. Khan is his next star.

Will not happen Roach genuinely cares about Manny and will not risk his health and future over extra money for himself.

Boxing is a dangerous game.

D4 you live in a fantasy world money is king. Long term will Roach make more with Manny or Khan?

Am surprised Freddie wants them too fight though if Khans his next star why would he want too put him in with the best P4P fighter in the world.If Khan loses he'll have even more doubters and will have to start all over again the only reason I can see Freddie putting Khan in with Manny if he thinks that Mannys lost his speed and reflexes otherwise we all know who's going to win that one.

I can buy brothers never wanting to fight each other, but that's it. Boxing isn't a team game. Besides, you don't have to be derogatory about your friend in the build up or anything, it's physical competition, you train, you fight, the best man wins, you shake hands and embrace afterwards as so many fighters do. Coming from the same gym or being mates shouldn't be an issue.

prettyboy1304 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:It's not impossible that Roach is looking out for himself. Manny is his star but he's into politics now and won't have many more fights. Roach would know better than anyone the best time for Khan to face Manny. Khan is his next star.

Will not happen Roach genuinely cares about Manny and will not risk his health and future over extra money for himself.

Boxing is a dangerous game.

D4 you live in a fantasy world money is king. Long term will Roach make more with Manny or Khan?

There are more important things in this world than money.

Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:But Floyd still took his friend on. Khan's excuse is pathetic.

Floyd would fight his mother if the money was right.

At least the fight would still get made.

Why are you so against Khan fighting Manny?

Probably because Khan is more than likely too lose.

The situation isn't without precedent.

Ali and Jimmy Ellis came up together in Louisville, and Ellis would later be Ali's chief sparring partner. Years later, they met for real, and Angelo Dundee was in ELLIS' corner.

Ken Norton and Joe Frazier are two who WOULDN'T fight, due to their friendship.

prettyboy1304 wrote:Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Yeah, but he'd need to take a pistol into the ring.

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:It's not impossible that Roach is looking out for himself. Manny is his star but he's into politics now and won't have many more fights. Roach would know better than anyone the best time for Khan to face Manny. Khan is his next star.

Will not happen Roach genuinely cares about Manny and will not risk his health and future over extra money for himself.

Boxing is a dangerous game.

D4 you live in a fantasy world money is king. Long term will Roach make more with Manny or Khan?

There are more important things in this world than money.

In my experience only poor people say that.

True as it may be, since when has boxing been about anything else really? These guys don't risk their lives for the sake of it, whether you're fighting your way out of the slums or negotiating a mega-fight, boxing is all about the money.

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:It's not impossible that Roach is looking out for himself. Manny is his star but he's into politics now and won't have many more fights. Roach would know better than anyone the best time for Khan to face Manny. Khan is his next star.

Will not happen Roach genuinely cares about Manny and will not risk his health and future over extra money for himself.

Boxing is a dangerous game.

D4 you live in a fantasy world money is king. Long term will Roach make more with Manny or Khan?

There are more important things in this world than money.

Boxing is Mannys Job and training is Roach's they don't do it for free. I'm not saying they don't love it. Just that money is king.

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Yeah, but he'd need to take a pistol into the ring.

My point is if Manny starts ageing, he has had a pretty long career. Most fighters like Manny are done by mid 30's. Roach would know before anyone and that would be the perfect time for Khan to fight him. It's good buisness.

prettyboy1304 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:It's not impossible that Roach is looking out for himself. Manny is his star but he's into politics now and won't have many more fights. Roach would know better than anyone the best time for Khan to face Manny. Khan is his next star.

Will not happen Roach genuinely cares about Manny and will not risk his health and future over extra money for himself.

Boxing is a dangerous game.

D4 you live in a fantasy world money is king. Long term will Roach make more with Manny or Khan?

There are more important things in this world than money.

Boxing is Mannys Job and training is Roach's they don't do it for free. I'm not saying they don't love it. Just that money is king.

No you are saying Roach will sell out Manny for money, I'm saying that will never happen because of his close bond with Manny who he sees as his son.

prettyboy1304 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Yeah, but he'd need to take a pistol into the ring.

My point is if Manny starts ageing, he has had a pretty long career. Most fighters like Manny are done by mid 30's. Roach would know before anyone and that would be the perfect time for Khan to fight him. It's good buisness.

Also makes Khan a top 5 P4P fighter,a better all time legacy.

I can understand why friends wouldn't want to fight to tell the truth. As an aside, I don't think I could cope with losing to a friend, not at boxing anyway.

I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying it would make sense from a buisness point of view. You just love Manny and Freddie to much to see this as a possibility. It's not selling out Manny it's looking after you're own future.

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Yeah, but he'd need to take a pistol into the ring.

Don't you know Pacquiao is bulletproof.

prettyboy1304 wrote:I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying it would make sense from a buisness point of view. You just love Manny and Freddie to much to see this as a possibility. It's not selling out Manny it's looking after you're own future.

I'm not saying that it isn't possible or that it would make business sense, I saying Freddie would not sell out Manny for some extra bucks.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Yeah, but he'd need to take a pistol into the ring.

Don't you know Pacquiao is bulletproof.

If Khan runs enough I think he could get a points victory.

Scottrf wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Yeah, but he'd need to take a pistol into the ring.

Don't you know Pacquiao is bulletproof.

If Khan runs enough I think he could get a points victory.

Maybe if the fight is in Britain and Manny gets a splinter from the stool after round four the doctor could have a look at it and called the fight off. Maybe Khan could get the decision.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Freedie will know the perfect time for Khan to take on Manny. Khan is his next star Manny doesn't have many fights left he's into politics now. A win over Manny would make Khan a star who can make big money.

Yeah, but he'd need to take a pistol into the ring.

Don't you know Pacquiao is bulletproof.

If Khan runs enough I think he could get a points victory.

Maybe if the fight is in Britain and Manny gets a splinter from the stool after round four the doctor could have a look at it and called the fight off. Maybe Khan could get the decision.

In a years time when Mannys starting to get slower and lose his reflexes Khan has a good chance of winning.Khans a very good fighter not on the same level as Manny but hes a one for the future.

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying it would make sense from a buisness point of view. You just love Manny and Freddie to much to see this as a possibility. It's not selling out Manny it's looking after you're own future.

I'm not saying that it isn't possible or that it would make business sense, I saying Freddie would not sell out Manny for some extra bucks.

I'm not sure I don't know Freddie Roach that well I've never had dinner with the guy. Look I don't see it happening anyway because I don't thinkh Khan beats Bradley. I was just putting something out their that no one had mentioned.

I dont think Khan would beat Manny's corpse. Khan is world level but wont ever break into the highest bracket in my opinion. Like Hatton in that respect.

joeyjojo618 wrote:I dont think Khan would beat Manny's corpse. Khan is world level but wont ever break into the highest bracket in my opinion. Like Hatton in that respect.

I wasn't talkling about a prime Manny. I was meaning Roach has the insied track and would know when Manny was losing it then that would be the time to make the Khan fight.

I know what you are saying prettyboy, but I think Manny would have to be shot to pieces before Khan would beat him, and by that time he will have long retired.

Thats just my opinion on the matter, I dont see Manny sticking around for too much longer.

Mannys getting into politics hes only got 3 or 4 fights left in him.

I don't think it happens anyway I don't think Khan beats Bradley I'm not that big a Khan fan tbh. Manny vs Bradley would be interesting though.

coxy0001 wrote:Won't abandon Manny, won't dump Khan as he's his next $ earner.

Just pushing Khan's name into the limelight, just a clever marketing ploy.

100% won't happen. And i'd have everything i own on that.

agree with everything (except everything I own bit... you never know in boxing! )

Its just marketing ploy for Khan.

Based on who i won i would expect Khan to go after Mayweather should he win and Bradley go after Manny.

Lets be honest Khans very unlikely to get the fight with Mayweather so where would he go from there?

Ortiz would be a good fight for Khan at WW. I'm sure they fought as amateurs and Khan stopped him.

They did and yeah Khan did stop him.A FOTY candidate would be likely with Ortiz vs Khan it would be interesting to see if Ortiz could put Khan down after Maidana couldn't.Also who do you thinks more improved from the amatuers Khan or Ortiz?

On the back of the last few showings I would strongly back Ortiz to hand Khan a beating at 147.

liam_main4 wrote:Lets be honest Khans very unlikely to get the fight with Mayweather so where would he go from there?

If no Mayweater then Ortiz would be the likely option, espically if he is still champ. I'd like to think Mosley will be retired by that time. Maybe they could get Cotto to come down, but he seems happy at LM.

Without the option of facing Manny/Mayweather is looks pretty bare at WW.

Ortiz was very impressive when he turned pro but seemed to stall was impressed with him against Berto. Khan has improved more since working with Roach than Ortiz has since turning pro.

kev:yeah without Mayweather and Pacquiao the Welterweight division is poor.Ortiz seems to be the only option,Am not sure wether or not Berto will come back after the defeat and the only other people apart from them are Brook,Jones,Malignaggi and Aydin there not big fights and Khan will certainly not face any of them so it could be a short stay at Welterweight before moving up again

pb:Khan has improved tremendously since joining Roach Ortiz still looks a bit one dimensional a come forward fighter with a bit of power.Ortiz never uses his jab and just likes to come inside and hit you with hooks and uppercuts.Although Khan seems to panic when fighters hit him on the inside which Ortiz could take advantage of.

prettyboy1304 wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:Looks like the same old rubbish going on here then. I thought there was a 'fresh start'. None of us can presume to know more than any other what thoughts are inside the heads of these guys. I'm sick and tired of hearing PRESUMPTION presented as though it were fact.

I gave an opinion of something that could be a possibility. Never stated facts.

's alright, you pretty, pretty boy you. I meant someone else, but I'm not gonna go any further.

kev:yeah without Mayweather and Pacquiao the Welterweight division is poor.Ortiz seems to be the only option,Am not sure wether or not Berto will come back after the defeat and the only other people apart from them are Brook,Jones,Malignaggi and Aydin there not big fights and Khan will certainly not face any of them so it could be a short stay at Welterweight before moving up again

pb:Khan has improved tremendously since joining Roach Ortiz still looks a bit one dimensional a come forward fighter with a bit of power.Ortiz never uses his jab and just likes to come inside and hit you with hooks and uppercuts.Although Khan seems to panic when fighters hit him on the inside which Ortiz could take advantage of.

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If Khan is firstly looking to simply win a title at WW, than Jan Zaveck would be a possible option. I don't know much about him but I suspect he would be the easiest route to a belt at 147lb.
If Brook continues to ascend, in both boxing and popularity aspects, than a domestic showdown with Khan could be a fairly lucrative fight. Warren has already showed interest in the idea.
I think a mega-fight with Ortiz will only be made once both men have picked up a few more big wins and establish themselves on P4P lists.
Khan would certainly start as the underdog against Ortiz, who is not only skilled, but also looks very strong and powerful at WW.

Benson Brook has signed with Matchroom and is no longer with Warren. To be honest this could help make the fight because Warren and Khan are hardly bosom buddies.

However would have to say Brook needs to step up. I rate him and think he has ability but until he fights someone with a pulse any talk of him fighting Khan seems premature

J.Benson II wrote:kev:yeah without Mayweather and Pacquiao the Welterweight division is poor.Ortiz seems to be the only option,Am not sure wether or not Berto will come back after the defeat and the only other people apart from them are Brook,Jones,Malignaggi and Aydin there not big fights and Khan will certainly not face any of them so it could be a short stay at Welterweight before moving up again

pb:Khan has improved tremendously since joining Roach Ortiz still looks a bit one dimensional a come forward fighter with a bit of power.Ortiz never uses his jab and just likes to come inside and hit you with hooks and uppercuts.Although Khan seems to panic when fighters hit him on the inside which Ortiz could take advantage of.

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If Khan is firstly looking to simply win a title at WW, than Jan Zaveck would be a possible option. I don't know much about him but I suspect he would be the easiest route to a belt at 147lb.
If Brook continues to ascend, in both boxing and popularity aspects, than a domestic showdown with Khan could be a fairly lucrative fight. Warren has already showed interest in the idea.
I think a mega-fight with Ortiz will only be made once both men have picked up a few more big wins and establish themselves on P4P lists.
Khan would certainly start as the underdog against Ortiz, who is not only skilled, but also looks very strong and powerful at WW.

If Khan beats Bradley a don't believe he would be underdog some fight fans could base it on the fact Khan beat Maidana but Maidana beat Ortiz.That all depends really if Maidana and Ortiz have a rematch which Maidana said he would have for the right price.

a) I don't see this fight happening. And I don't think it's wrong for Khan and Manny to not want to fight. Who are we to comment on their friendship? This isn't like playing football against one of your mates. This is punching them in the face and trying to make them unconscious. Yes, Dirrell and Ward were slated for not wanting to fight each other, but their situation was different. They entered into a tournament, signed the contracts, knowing that they'd have to face off at one point. Then Dirrell appeared to playact his way out. If Manny and Khan say from the outset that they don’t want to fight then fair enough in my book.

b) Khan would at least have a better shot of competing with Manny than he does competing with Floyd. Khan and Manny fight in a similar in-and-out, ambush, and flurry style, so there would be less chance of Khan being made to fight/defend on the inside – which he can’t do. He would also be made to pay less for his high miss ratio because I'd expect less short counter punches. I can understand why Khan and Manny are said to sometimes have really close-run sparring sessions, because they’re quite evenly matched if the fight is kept at distance. Still, Manny is a far more accurate puncher, and far harder. He’d break Khan down by the middle to late rounds imo.

For me Ortiz breaks Khan down. He puts too much pressure on and has a really good variety of short punches - it's Khan's nightmare.

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:It's not impossible that Roach is looking out for himself. Manny is his star but he's into politics now and won't have many more fights. Roach would know better than anyone the best time for Khan to face Manny. Khan is his next star.

Will not happen Roach genuinely cares about Manny and will not risk his health and future over extra money for himself.

Boxing is a dangerous game.

D4 you live in a fantasy world money is king. Long term will Roach make more with Manny or Khan?

There are more important things in this world than money.

I think Khan's money grabbing father would kill you over such a statement

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:I think Khan's money grabbing father would kill you over such a statement

Wow, the loss at the weekend really hurt you.

this to me is just PR, it's already rumored that he will take on prescott after the bradley fight and so at least one of these statements cant be true. the only reason i could see this fight happening is if manny is looking for a massive fight to go out on and has decided that him and floyd is not going to happen. it wouldn't hurt khan to fight manny because IF he won it would boost he career even more whereas a loss to the pac man wouldn't really make a dent in his career. he would also have the advantage of all the sparring they have done.

Apparently Roach said it as a joke, and everyone in the room took it as a joke.

http://www.boxingscene.com/roach-pacquiao-khan-quote-joke-brits-knew-it--38276

I said that in very jovial, joking manner, and everyone laughed. I laughed. Everybody knew I was joking. You know, 147 pounds is a weight class that I think that Amir Khan could fight. But he would fight the Floyd Mayweathers or a guy like a Victor Ortiz, who just beat Andre Berto. But when I said that Amir would fight Manny Pacquiao, it was a joke, and Amir laughed also.

So Manny a no go for Khan, Roach agrees Manny agrees and Khan agrees.

But fighters such as Mayweather and Ortiz are fair game.

Scottrf wrote:Apparently Roach said it as a joke, and everyone in the room took it as a joke.

Do you wait for me to start typing then steal my thunder?

Surely this is a joke or just PR.

If they ever fought then it would be embarrassing, Manny would destroy him as soon as he got in range.

Would be worse than the Hatton fight.

TumblingDice wrote:Surely this is a joke or just PR.

If they ever fought then it would be embarrassing, Manny would destroy him as soon as he got in range.

Would be worse than the Hatton fight.

Yes it was a joke, Manny and Amir are very good friends and Roach is like a father to them.

D4thincarnation wrote:

TumblingDice wrote:Surely this is a joke or just PR.

If they ever fought then it would be embarrassing, Manny would destroy him as soon as he got in range.

Would be worse than the Hatton fight.

Yes it was a joke, Manny and Amir are very good friends and Roach is like a father to them.

Where did you hear it was a joke? Never heard that anywhere, Roach is like a father to Khan he has known him for no more than 4 years pretty sure Khan has a father.