Ambush in Oz

by emack2 Sat 13 Oct 2012 - 9:32

First topic message reminder :

With Kefu,Palau,and Drew Mitchell picked for Brisbane plus Ashley Cooper returning the Wallabies
will be very much stronger than thought previously.Australia in OZ are NEVER a formality so the
record is in real danger.Methinks this could be another Hong Kong certainly not the the pushover
some pundits were predicting.If we go on the 2011 final 3Ns game there could be a lot of injuries
to key NZ players.Also who is subbing for Rettalick as presumeably he is now not available thoughts?

by boomeranga Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:20

Full Credit wrote:All this talk about the AB's winning streak, what about the Wallabies vying for 2 on the trot which would have been some sort of record under Deans. Maybe next time.

Our brains and our basics seem to have evaporated. They gave it a good crack though.

by **Biltong** Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:22

anotherworldofpain wrote:Yes, it speaks volumes about the relative pecking order in world rugby that between the #1 and #2 teams in the world a home draw leaving them winless in the Bledisloe cup this year will be celebrated like a victory, whilst in NZ the draw largely determined by Joubert will fell like a stinging loss.

Beale outplayed Carter at 10 today as he was provided with more space by a simple game plan of flooding the breakdown, keeping in narrow and frankly, being allowed to get away with murder.

Why does that sound familiar? Could it be?....

Nah....there is just an echo in here.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:22

Who gets the ABs first this AI Tour? 'Cause I really feel for them, I can see them getting a lot of backlash

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:23

"New Zealand hold the record for the longest unbeaten run in Tests. From the start of the 1987 Rugby World Cup through to their 21-9 defeat by Australia in Wellington in 1990 they went 23 Tests undefeated. The only blot on their copybook was a 19-all draw in Brisbane against Australia in 1988."

History never repeats.

by majesticimperialman Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:24

anotherworldofpain wrote:Yes, it speaks volumes about the relative pecking order in world rugby that between the #1 and #2 teams in the world a home draw leaving them winless in the Bledisloe cup this year will be celebrated like a victory, whilst in NZ the draw largely determined by Joubert will fell like a stinging loss.

Beale outplayed Carter at 10 today as he was provided with more space by a simple game plan of flooding the breakdown, keeping in narrow and frankly, being allowed to get away with murder.

Joubert had a Bryce Lawrence today, and if he has half the dignity he will come out and admit it.

So what in fact you are saying, is that the ref caused the All Blacks to get a "DRAW" right?

Look this was very disapointing game as far as the All Blacks are concerned. they gave away too many enalties and failed to score a try....It had nothing to do with the Referee at all.

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:26

majesticimperialman wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:Yes, it speaks volumes about the relative pecking order in world rugby that between the #1 and #2 teams in the world a home draw leaving them winless in the Bledisloe cup this year will be celebrated like a victory, whilst in NZ the draw largely determined by Joubert will fell like a stinging loss.

Beale outplayed Carter at 10 today as he was provided with more space by a simple game plan of flooding the breakdown, keeping in narrow and frankly, being allowed to get away with murder.

Joubert had a Bryce Lawrence today, and if he has half the dignity he will come out and admit it.

So what in fact you are saying, is that the ref caused the All Blacks to get a "DRAW" right?

Look this was very disapointing game as far as the All Blacks are concerned. they gave away too many enalties and failed to score a try....It had nothing to do with the Referee at all.

You can still win whilst playing badly, and I just feel that Joubert was reluctant to award in NZ's favour. The stats speak for themselves. Less than one phase of advantge to NZ for a knock-on. Two phases per knock on for Australia. No yellow for 6 of the same offences that earned NZ a yellow after 4.

We only ask for consistency and a level playing field. On this occasion NZ were playing into the head-wind of Joubert's home whistle.

by GLove39 Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:32

ChequeredJersey wrote:Who gets the ABs first this AI Tour? 'Cause I really feel for them, I can see them getting a lot of backlash

They're coming to Murrayfield first. Arghhhhhhh could be scary.

by majesticimperialman Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:33

anotherworldofpain

Today was one of those days that New Zealand simply was not good enough.

I think that they truly underestimated Australia today... Not something New Zealand would normaly do.

by Full Credit Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:36

You seem to be taking the apparent NZ failure quite personally AWOP, especially for someone from Eastern Europe. If you keep blaming the ref you'll give yourself a headache. By the way, I didn't see anyone celebrating the draw from our side much, possibly relief the drop missed but that's about it. Even if we did, is it out of the question that we might celebrate given the surrounding circumstances?

by bsando Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:45

Gutted! Wallabies were so close to winning that one, they shouldn't have been so cautious at the end. 18-18 was a fair result I think, both sides were pretty poor and the ball must have been pretty darn slippy in the humid conditions. I had £5 on Wallabies to win, would have bagged me £25. The bookies odds were ridiculous, I mean come on, it was a wallabies home game, they nothing to lose whilst the all blacks were a win away from matching their own record of 17 straight wins from the 60's. I think there was a lot of pressure on the all blacks to win and it showed in their performance.

by emack2 Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 13:55

Australia came to do the same as they did with Argentina,spoil and compete by any means.When they are at home they are very competetive .
I predicted was a very hard fought one and came down Penalty goals.
The Hype was overkill for the All Blacks a game to far they will have a few weeks
rest then crank it up for the AI`s
There for the taking?well we will have to see about that won`t we record or no record.Seventeen games on the bounce unbeaten with a RWC,6-0 4Ns ,and the Bledisloe that will do for now.A clean sweep in the AI`s will finish of a perfect year.

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 14:20

majesticimperialman wrote:anotherworldofpain

Today was one of those days that New Zealand simply was not good enough.

I think that they truly underestimated Australia today... Not something New Zealand would normaly do.

I don't think underestimating is a good term. It was more that a lot of very talented guys didn't have great games: Jane, Dagg, Nonu, Carter, Whitelock, Joubert. You could see the fatigue early on, just like the SA game, but they failed to build momentum because the chances were taken, or awarded and Australia were allowed to relentlessly defend their line with illegal ruck tactics unpenalised.

by OzT Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 14:43

Shame we had trouble catching the high ball, and then simple mistake of scooping the ball up in front of the knock on gifting the ABs 3 points and the draw. Proud of our boys tonight. good to see us playing with a bit more vigour, I think that Argitinian game was our turning point. shame we couldn't win by 3, still, better than another loss!

Hope the jumping on the bandwagon about the ref is derailed soon as, come on guys, it's a game and the Wallabies simply committed players to the breakdown, at a cost of wider cover maybe, but the ABs stood off and expected to get the ball anyway.

Skill factor still low but a I enjoyed the game. Catch ya next year kiwis, and best of luck on your AI tour!

by yappysnap Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 14:59

OzT wrote:Shame we had trouble catching the high ball, and then simple mistake of scooping the ball up in front of the knock on gifting the ABs 3 points and the draw. Proud of our boys tonight. good to see us playing with a bit more vigour, I think that Argitinian game was our turning point. shame we couldn't win by 3, still, better than another loss!

Hope the jumping on the bandwagon about the ref is derailed soon as, come on guys, it's a game and the Wallabies simply committed players to the breakdown, at a cost of wider cover maybe, but the ABs stood off and expected to get the ball anyway.

Skill factor still low but a I enjoyed the game. Catch ya next year kiwis, and best of luck on your AI tour!

Don't worry, only one person is going on about the ref and to be honest we wouldn't expect anything else Laugh

everyone else could see that OZ did pretty well at containing the AB's but in the end both teams tried their best to lose it!

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 15:08

Yes, a dire game where Australia played like the rag tag remnants they are, NZ failed to get out of neutral and Joubert weighed in with some random and inadequate officiating.

by Full Credit Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 15:30

Don't you ever get sick of running the same gag over and over again AWOP? The ref this... the ref that...

by offload Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 15:34

anotherworldofpain wrote:Yes, a dire game where Australia played like the rag tag remnants they are, NZ failed to get out of neutral and Joubert weighed in with some random and inadequate officiating.

You made more sense before you learned the language. Perhaps you should take up watching something you find easier to understand. Just a friendly suggestion....... Hug

by rainbow-warrior Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 16:04

It was a TEST match so there were things to play for. I say well done to a rag tag and walking wounded Australia. Nothing to do with NZ failing to get out of neutral, the reason for that was Australia failed to allow them the change.
It's a genetic glitch in the Kiwi make up in that they believe it is always NZ's fault that they do not win. It is a default the rest of the world will have to live with.
Well done Australia A.

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 16:11

I didn't say it was NZ's fault. I'm blaming Joubert.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 16:23

anotherworldofpain wrote:I didn't say it was NZ's fault. I'm blaming Joubert.

Yes but as you are not a Kiwi, you wouldn't have the glitch in the kiwi make-up that rainbow-warrior referred to, right?

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 16:41

Correct! My more objective opinion can see that the problem today was just some poor advantage play by Joubert.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 16:50

And a poor Aus side being on par with the NZ golden generation?

As I said, NZ are there for the taking...

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:26

I'm not sure, as I recall it, Wales couldn't beat Australia in three attempts, whereas NZ are unbeaten, claimed the RC and BC.

Frankly it just sounds like more empty Welsh chest beating. Recognisible instantly, since we've had 60 years of practise honing our recognition of it...

The really bad news for the AI opponents is that the ABs rarely play that badly more than once per season, and that was probably it.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:36

since we've had 60 years of practise honing our recognition of it...

Are we finally admitting something?

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:38

All will be revealed.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:39

And AWOP is ghost

I'll admit it if you will.

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:42

thebluesmancometh wrote:And AWOP is

I'll admit it if you will.

https://www.606v2.com/t31926p100-please-read-regards-banned-members?highlight=please+read

Right folks, the inital message from Adam here was put up as a warning to stop people making accusations against others. Some of you seem to have a problem adhering to that as this thread has now descended into pointless bickering.

I am now going to lock this thread to comments and leave all of you with this warning. If you continue this bickering, name calling and accusations elsewhere on this site, you will be banned. That goes for everyone. No questions, no debate, just banned. Hopefully that is clear to everybody now.

Ozzy3213
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Presumably this rule is still in force?

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:43

since we've had 60 years of practise honing our recognition of it...

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:46

Didn't we already clarify that AWOP was Richie McCaw weeks ago?

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:48

Mccaw is still trying to get over the clearly premeditated assault on him by everything Ozzy, he could never be home typingt away already after what he's just endured.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:50

thebluesmancometh wrote:Mccaw is still trying to get over the clearly premeditated assault on him by everything Ozzy, he could never be home typingt away already after what he's just endured.

Blasphemy!

King Richie Rich can do whatever he pleases. This is why AWOP is so disgruntled with the refereeing at the breakdown, he has never been penalised before. It's so clear!

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:51

Stupid Joubert enforcing those pesky rules.

by mowgli Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:55

I am absolutely choked for New Zealand Very Happy

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:56

Any way, bad luck New Zealand, I have a feeling this will come and haunt us in November Sad

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 17:56

They are showing themselves as human recently, IMHO Argies deserved to beat them and now Aus could've.

My predictions of the AI's arent looking so crazy now!

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:16

It reeks of schadenfreude in here. I guess it's a consequence of the 60 years of disappointment...

by mowgli Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:18

Nope....just the brief and immediate pleasure of seeing the all blacks choke (again)

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:20

schadenfreude? Your skill aqcuisition for languages is remarkable!

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:34

mowgli wrote:Nope....just the brief and immediate pleasure of seeing the all blacks choke (again)

You must've been overjoyed watching the Welsh tour down under if you enjoy choking, three in a row wasn't it?

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:36

About as much as watching Mccaw cower under the overpowering strength of Higs?

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:40

It's called self control bluesman. It takes great strength of character not to react under such provocation...something the Welsh captain could learn from.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:43

See, he's McCaw

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:44

Ye Warburton is renowned for throwing himself on the wrong side of the ruck, dragging down opposing 6's and then getting his bum handed to him yelping mummy! Laugh

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:44

I'd like to congratulate you on your 100th victory a couple of weeks ago

by ChequeredJersey Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:46

All jokes aside, considering his record and the way he has played for years, do you think it's really appropriate/ not pathetic to insult Richie McCaw, probably one of the best players ever and certainly one of the best of the last 10 years, based on one game. Which he didn't even lose?

by OzT Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:48

anotherworldofpain wrote:It's called self control bluesman. It takes great strength of character not to react under such provocation.

I think the best self control I have seen in a match was O'Driscoll in the Lions tour when he was on the ground and someone threatened to take his head off, I take my hat off to the bloke, even if he did get the last minute try against us in Ireland to stop us winning the game Smile

but that Lions game I though was one of the best self control I have seen

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:49

For the petty incidents he started and complaints made by his national governing body? Hell ye.

He is a great of the game but the furour surrounding the guy getting looked at the wrong way these days is getting silly. especially by AWOP.

by anotherworldofpain Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:52

Again Bluesman, by your deliberately contrary opinion you have elucidated the truth at the polar opposite to your bitter ramblings...

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:53

I disagree censored

by mowgli Sat 20 Oct 2012 - 18:54

anotherworldofpain wrote:
mowgli wrote:Nope....just the brief and immediate pleasure of seeing the all blacks choke (again)

You must've been overjoyed watching the Welsh tour down under if you enjoy choking, three in a row wasn't it?

No it was 5, if you are going to sledge at least get your facts right, but there is no comparison awop....the ABs bang on about being best in the world but when push comes to shove they can't convert (literally) in that they are the ultimate Broken Record

now we will face several days of angst, protest about Higginbotham, bad reffing, etc etc when what they should do is stop talking themselves up

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