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David Price pancaked the mofo. He left poor ol' A-Force licking canvas with a shattered nose, yo. Devastating power.

Anyway, the Price man needs to step up big time now, he is clearly peaking. F the amount of fights he's had and put him in with a live-wire, AFTER he flattens that fat old guy who turned up at the post fight presser. It's time, David Price, don't let me down.

He should dump his promoter and go to the States, IMHCO (humble & cultured). Those yank-planks be loving him out there, loving him. Kellerman be pulling crack faces all night off the back of that Scouse shiz. They be loving him... if he goes.

So, go there Pricey. Pancake Seth Mitchell and then it's of to K-Town to KO those Drone brothers. Those Drone brothers be sending me to sleep yo, they duller than an ass crack, you feel me?

Thoughts?

Come on, Rodders, it would be a staring contest to see which of the chinny folk could laser their way through the other's jaw first.

captain carrantuohil wrote:Come on, Rodders, it would be a staring contest to see which of the chinny folk could laser their way through the other's jaw first.

Ha, nice one mate.

captain carrantuohil wrote:You see, when you launch onto one of your flights of fancy like that, az, it's rather as though Turner had decided to paint "The Persistence of Memory".

Now that's something I would like to see.

captain carrantuohil wrote:He wouldn't have to walk through nukes to beat Jones and Hopkins, I can tell you. Doubt there's a Monzon fan bigger than me on these boards, but he was perfectly happy not to fight Bob Foster, so do you seriously imagine that he would have countenanced the idea of going in against the Rock?

Foster was a better boxer. Rocky was just a slow footed, slow armed, stumpy armed plodder who beat 5 contenders with a combined age pushing 200. He wouldn't get close to RJJ to even land anything resembling a punch.

Rodders, Price would massacre him in slightly less time it took him to KO Audley.

Foster? Foster cacked himself whenever he was up against a heavyweight of any description. It wasn't just Ali and Frazier, either. Doug Jones, Terrell, Folley. Sorry, az, you're not onto a winner here.

I said a better boxer. He had a jab. Something Rocky thought came with a needle and syringe.

Foster was a better boxer than Jones, Folley and Terrell too. Much good it did him.

azania wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:He wouldn't have to walk through nukes to beat Jones and Hopkins, I can tell you. Doubt there's a Monzon fan bigger than me on these boards, but he was perfectly happy not to fight Bob Foster, so do you seriously imagine that he would have countenanced the idea of going in against the Rock?

Foster was a better boxer. Rocky was just a slow footed, slow armed, stumpy armed plodder who beat 5 contenders with a combined age pushing 200. He wouldn't get close to RJJ to even land anything resembling a punch.

Come off it Az, Jones Jnr wouldn't even have the slightest chance, Marciano is one right hand away from ruining Jones for good, and it would happen before 4 rounds. Even if Jones is souped up.

Cheers Rodders

Union Cane wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'd like to see footage of why Price is considered "chinny"

01:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHelbbjaB3k

That punch that sent him on queer street hit his neck! Not only is he chinny, like Khan he is necky (if suh a term exists - well it does now).

Interceptor wrote:

Union Cane wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'd like to see footage of why Price is considered "chinny"

Fury floors Price in the amateurs :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeLG7e9nT4

Didnt Price win that fight?? Video nicely edited to not show that.

Fury looked to have better footwork and mobility than the amateur Price.

Rodney wrote:

azania wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:He wouldn't have to walk through nukes to beat Jones and Hopkins, I can tell you. Doubt there's a Monzon fan bigger than me on these boards, but he was perfectly happy not to fight Bob Foster, so do you seriously imagine that he would have countenanced the idea of going in against the Rock?

Foster was a better boxer. Rocky was just a slow footed, slow armed, stumpy armed plodder who beat 5 contenders with a combined age pushing 200. He wouldn't get close to RJJ to even land anything resembling a punch.

Come off it Az, Jones Jnr wouldn't even have the slightest chance, Marciano is one right hand away from ruining Jones for good, and it would happen before 4 rounds. Even if Jones is souped up.

Cheers Rodders

He would have to land that right hand. No use having dynamite without a fuse.

It's a terrible matchup up for Jones Az, a slugger, swarmer with great punching power, great chin and infinite stamina. The second Marciano tags him with a half decent shot he's gonna be pouring punches on Jones until he gives in. RJJ would be fighting in survival mode for as long as this fight goes, virtually zero chance for me.

Cheers Rodders

Jones fought all sorts and won. Only father time beat him.

Jones fought hags for most of his career. Facto.

How about the Jones that was being scraped up off the canvas after the Tarver and Johnson fights, I thought:

"At least this will put an end to any speculation that he might have beaten Marciano"

Apparently the only person those punches got through to was Jones!

How old was he? Some boxers lose their punch resistance as they get older. See Hatton for example.

azania wrote:How old was he? Some boxers lose their punch resistance as they get older. See Hatton for example.

Not sure, maybes a few months older than when he was hailed as superman beating Ruiz.
We can debate which version of Jones was best for the job, ad tedium.

Do you think that Jones might have always had some underlying weaknesses, that his competition were not able to exploit? Marciano I'm certain would and pretty sharp.

Cheers Rodders

He was that good that he made the best look ordinary. Look what he did to Toney and Hop. Made them look silly. Mike McCallum described him as the best boxer who ever walked. Then MM says that about other boxers also.

He did not make Hop look silly. That was a boring technical fight. B-Hop was very raw then too, and he won the rematch.

Come on emore. Do you think that rematch tells us anything? Hey, Berbick beat Ali. Berbick must be the GOAT.

There was about 2 PTS in the Jones v Hopkins fight Az, Jones deserved the win no doubt but it wasn't a whitewash.

Here is the problem with Roy for me

While these flaws were not exposed in his prime, that has to be weighed against the fact that he was not fighting many of the the people likley to expose them. It would be incredible to think from what we know as good as Roy was he could survive 12/15 rounds with someone like Marciano without being tagged heavily.

Cheers Rodders

The judging was a joke. There was also only 2 points between Ward and Froch. Do you think that fight was close?

No I don't Ward won at a canter for me, I was talking about my scorecard for the Jones Jnr Hopkins fight, turn the commentary off you'll be surprised how close it was, well IMO.

Cheers Rodders.

At the risk of incurring Az's wrath, I have to admit that I had it to Jones 116-113. It was comfortable, but hardly a landslide. And there's no way Roy beat Bernard as comfortably as Ward did Froch.

Maybe you could say 8-4 in rounds to Roy, but no more than that, in my eyes. I have no interest in ever watching the fight again if I can, as it was an absolute stinker.

From memory I had it 8-4 whilst being generous to Hop. My wrath? When have I ever lost it?

Rodney wrote:No I don't Ward won at a canter for me, I was talking about my scorecard for the Jones Jnr Hopkins fight, turn the commentary off you'll be surprised how close it was, well IMO.

Cheers Rodders.

Not gonna watch it again.....ever. I'll keep it in my memory bank thank you very much.

azania wrote:From memory I had it 8-4 whilst being generous to Hop. My wrath? When have I ever lost it?

Well isn't that what the three judges saw anyway? You said the scoring was a joke so I assumed you had Roy pitching a shutout or something!

Your exemplary record amongst us mods and admins is proof enough that you have no wrath Az, of course.....

Wasn't it 115-113?

See, I'm glad we're in agreement ....... again. Keep up the good work old chap

Meh, I wouldnt rule out Jones completely against Marciano. He wouldnt have to bulk up to 195 like he did against Ruiz. He could feasibly go in as not much more than he was as a quality LH. Definately holds a major skills and speed advantage over the Rock. He cant afford to slip up and hes highly unlikely to knock Marciano out but I dont see it as a certainty he loses I have to say.

I agree with Manos here - it's certainly not beyond Jones' capabilities to outscore Marciano, even if Rocky does perhaps start as favourite. You can question Jones' chin, but at his best there were precious few who could hope to land on it. Even if Marciano did get to him eventually, I could certainly imagine Jones being ahead on the cards when it happened.

Styles make fights, and all. I think Jones could be a nightmare for Rocky.

I wouldn't rule prime jones out against rocky either.

As for price being chinny, well we'll learn that better as his career develops, but he was stopped by glazkov as an amateur too... couldnt tell you if it was one of those premature amateur things or not. Glazkov is currently undefeated as a pro, so their paths may cross in the future.

Rodney wrote:What difference if it was the Olympics or not? David Tua was emphatically knocked unconscious in the amateurs against Savon you wouldn't call him chinny would we? I don't know whether Price can hold a decent shot or not, do you have any other evidence bar the Cammonrele fight he gets dropped every time someone taps his jaw? Because if not I reckon it's time we give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being, couldve been mitigating circumstances if just that case.

Pointless debating Marciano with you Az, you'd probably back Amir Khan against him.

Cheers Rodders

Pro debut, hit flush by a sucker punch with his guard down because the ref had callled stop boxing. Wobbled, stayed standing. Within a minute or so he had the guy pancaked clean unconscious on the floor. Suspect chin is irrelevant when you can get up and do that. Same with the Fury amateur fight. Got sloppy, got caught, got up and mullered him.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pro debut, hit flush by a sucker punch with his guard down because the ref had callled stop boxing. Wobbled, stayed standing. Within a minute or so he had the guy pancaked clean unconscious on the floor. Suspect chin is irrelevant when you can get up and do that. Same with the Fury amateur fight. Got sloppy, got caught, got up and mullered him.

09:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HKf3MxE_58

Protect yourself at all times?

Union Cane wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pro debut, hit flush by a sucker punch with his guard down because the ref had callled stop boxing. Wobbled, stayed standing. Within a minute or so he had the guy pancaked clean unconscious on the floor. Suspect chin is irrelevant when you can get up and do that. Same with the Fury amateur fight. Got sloppy, got caught, got up and mullered him.

09:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HKf3MxE_58

Protect yourself at all times?

Why the link? Was it not clear from my desciption that I'd already seen it (not Az style just making it up)??

Protect yourself at all times indeed, pretty excusable mistake from a debut rookie. Avenged it pretty well though, didn't he?!

And, importantly, he didn't go down....

It was for those who may not have seen it, dear boy.

Conclusive proof that Price is an iron-chinned colossus.

I don't think we are ever going to see eye to eye with the whole 'Is Price chinny' saga. Only time will tell. But to say Fury has got a good chin is a bit of a joke aswell. Rocked by Firtha?! Put on his ass with a telegraphed right hand he must have seen for about 2 seconds before it landed. Doesn't bode well for his chances against Price. I see this fight being like Lewis v Grant. The more asute boxer giving a one sided beat down. Price KO 2

As mentioned before, Tua was flattened in the amatuer game, he's as iron chinned as they come.

azania wrote:Come on emore. Do you think that rematch tells us anything? Hey, Berbick beat Ali. Berbick must be the GOAT.

Who is to say Ali IS the greatest of all time?? That should not even exist as there may be a million years of life after us boring lot!

In the year 3012, im sure people will slowly forget Ali "who?"

Tua got splattered by a full blown punch. Price got wobbled by a jab.

88Chris05 wrote:I agree with Manos here - it's certainly not beyond Jones' capabilities to outscore Marciano, even if Rocky does perhaps start as favourite. You can question Jones' chin, but at his best there were precious few who could hope to land on it. Even if Marciano did get to him eventually, I could certainly imagine Jones being ahead on the cards when it happened.

Styles make fights, and all. I think Jones could be a nightmare for Rocky.

Rocky the marginal favourite? I'd put your house on RJJ being the favourite and winning by a landslide and maybe getting a late stoppage.

No stoppage. Ever. but RJJ wins fair comfortably.

Oooops. Rocky was impervious to pain and would never get stopped. Rocky SMASH!

Rocky would have flattened RJJ.

It's Friday, 10/10.

davidemore wrote:Rocky would have flattened RJJ.

Not a chance.

I'm going to go with the public against Az and say that the undefeated heavyweight champ would beat a man who campaigned at lower weights for much of his career 160 - 168 and 175 so essentially the 190+ Rocky Marciano who is also regarded as one of the biggest punchers of all time and although put on his back had one of the hardest chins in the business, and since (so is he "chinny" Az? Because he's been knocked down once or twice?)

RJJ would get splattered at Heavyweight against Marciano. At LHW its difficult to say, but I'd still go for the naturally stronger Marciano to stop RJJ. Nothing Roy could throw at the Rock would stumble him, the difference in hardiness is just too great, and Marciano would land at some point. Also, it would probably over 15? RJJ would get caught at some point. leading until then, but the minute he got hit - lights out.

And I love RJJ, he's one of my favorites ever. Az is talking baubles again.

Certainly could be and might be the more likely result. But RJJ is probably the fastest man he'll ever face and has something like a 3 in reach advantage - and he wont try to engage Marciano. I wonder if Marciano could catch up with him often enough to knock him out.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'm going to go with the public against Az and say that the undefeated heavyweight champ would beat a man who campaigned at lower weights for much of his career 160 - 168 and 175 so essentially the 190+ Rocky Marciano who is also regarded as one of the biggest punchers of all time and although put on his back had one of the hardest chins in the business, and since (so is he "chinny" Az? Because he's been knocked down once or twice?)

RJJ would get splattered at Heavyweight against Marciano. At LHW its difficult to say, but I'd still go for the naturally stronger Marciano to stop RJJ. Nothing Roy could throw at the Rock would stumble him, the difference in hardiness is just too great, and Marciano would land at some point. Also, it would probably over 15? RJJ would get caught at some point. leading until then, but the minute he got hit - lights out.

And I love RJJ, he's one of my favorites ever. Az is talking baubles again.

Again????

In all seriousness, RJJ will be too fast. He wont stand there waiting for Rocky to hit him. Plus his defense and reflexes would make Rocky miss. I can see a stoppage due to RJJ cutting him to ribbons.

Plus a couple of the less knowledgable but more mannered posters in manos and chris see an argument for RJJ winning.

ShahenshahG wrote:Certainly could be and might be the more likely result. But RJJ is probably the fastest man he'll ever face and has something like a 3 in reach advantage - and he wont try to engage Marciano. I wonder if Marciano could catch up with him often enough to knock him out.

He wouldn't. Can't hit what you can't tough. Y'all musta forgot.