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David Price pancaked the mofo. He left poor ol' A-Force licking canvas with a shattered nose, yo. Devastating power.

Anyway, the Price man needs to step up big time now, he is clearly peaking. F the amount of fights he's had and put him in with a live-wire, AFTER he flattens that fat old guy who turned up at the post fight presser. It's time, David Price, don't let me down.

He should dump his promoter and go to the States, IMHCO (humble & cultured). Those yank-planks be loving him out there, loving him. Kellerman be pulling crack faces all night off the back of that Scouse shiz. They be loving him... if he goes.

So, go there Pricey. Pancake Seth Mitchell and then it's of to K-Town to KO those Drone brothers. Those Drone brothers be sending me to sleep yo, they duller than an ass crack, you feel me?

Thoughts?

RJJ at Heavyweight or 190 would be too slow and ponderous. His speed was down to the fact he was just an amazing SMW and LHW - I think the extra 15lbs he'd have to put on would mean although he'd hit Marciano, he'd get caught. Marciano was just awesome. I can see an argument for an RJJ points win, but outside of that I'd say Marciano late on.

He'd be a greyhound compared to a carthorse. Plus comparitively speeking, he would be the same speed as Ali or faster. At 193 he looked fast enough even if the HW he was fighting wasn't the best. But lets not forget that speed was a foreign language to Rocky.

I dont think he would need to be 190 as hes not an engage/wrestle/physical fighter - he'd be running away as soon as that bell rang - he might be happy at the same weight or even slightly higher at around 180. he was quite happy to give away 30 pounds to Ruiz who isnt a great puncher it must be said. I just reckon RJJ will have to be on his bike to win so wont bulk up drastically.

But lets not forget that speed was a foreign language to Rocky..

As understatement is to you.

If Rocky was to go headhunting only then you'd have to fancy RJJ being able to keep out of trouble and make him favourite to ride out a points win.

However, Rocky tended to hit (and by hit I mean hit hard) any moving parts above (and sometimes below) the belt and was adept at targeting his opponents arms as well as his body and head. As fast as Roy was, he's going to get hit with something at some point and it's going to hurt - a lot. It's how he reacts that is the key to the fight. Rocky (by stoppage) a slight favourite over 12 - a bigger favourite over 15.

ShahenshahG wrote:I dont think he would need to be 190 as hes not an engage/wrestle/physical fighter - he'd be running away as soon as that bell rang - he might be happy at the same weight or even slightly higher at around 180. he was quite happy to give away 30 pounds to Ruiz who isnt a great puncher it must be said. I just reckon RJJ will have to be on his bike to win so wont bulk up drastically.

He was until Ruiz hit him in round one and then Jones did his Fred Astaire act. It wasn't until the final round when Ruiz needed four KO's to get a draw that he was happy to stand his ground

True - But I didnt mean he would stand his ground - Ruiz is one thing Marciano is another. He'd be legging it like no mans business. I just meant it in that I dont think he'd want to bulk up too much if he had to face the rock.

Marciano/Jones would be like Balboa vs Creed. The Rock would be swinging for the fences and being clowned until he landed and Jones would be forced to show him soe respect.

If/when Marciano landed on Jones (head, body or elsewhere) I'm sure Jones would feel the effects enough for Marciano to come on strong and look for the finish. I think it just depends how long Jones can go without being caught and if there's enough time before the end of the fight for the Rock to capitalise.

Jones would want enough meat on his bones to ensure that if Marciano gets in close, he can't throw him around like a rag doll butI agree, he'd want o be as light as possible.

superflyweight wrote:

But lets not forget that speed was a foreign language to Rocky..

As understatement is to you.

If Rocky was to go headhunting only then you'd have to fancy RJJ being able to keep out of trouble and make him favourite to ride out a points win.

However, Rocky tended to hit (and by hit I mean hit hard) any moving parts above (and sometimes below) the belt and was adept at targeting his opponents arms as well as his body and head. As fast as Roy was, he's going to get hit with something at some point and it's going to hurt - a lot. It's how he reacts that is the key to the fight. Rocky (by stoppage) a slight favourite over 12 - a bigger favourite over 15.

There is this myth developing that Rocky would punch through walls before breakfast. Lets get real and find some perspective here. He went life and death with Charles who was obscenely past his best. I maintain that RJJ was a better boxer by miles to the Charles Rocky fought. Charles took his best until h wilted. RJJ would have better stamina than the old Charles and would not be caught so often.

He went life and death with Archie who stood there to be hit and got hit. Not only was RJJ a better boxer, but a superior athlete than Moore.

Over 15 rounds it will be an additional 3 rounds of beating Rocky will endure.

If RJJ can go a whole round against Vinnie Paz and not get touched, consider what he would do to a slower Rocky. It would be a bloody massacre. RJJ has all the advantages except power and size. Foreman had those advantages against Ali and fat lot of good it did him. Shavers had that over Ali and Holmes. Intelligence and skill will beat brawn and caveman tactics.

RJJ would have better stamina than the old Charles and would not be caught so often.

Now you're syaing Jones WOULD be caught by Marciano!!!!

The only real issue is whether or not Jones always had dodgy whiskers and it was his in-ring ability which prevented him from being caught and KO'd or whether his chin just deteriorated with age.

Sadly, as no-one ever really caught Roy hard enough and clean enough for it to become an issue when at his peak, it's merely guesswork as to whether or not Marciano puts him away if he hits him.

Ali and Holmes also had a great set of whiskers and powers of recovery...not something we believe Jones had in abundance

azania wrote:

superflyweight wrote:

But lets not forget that speed was a foreign language to Rocky..

As understatement is to you.

If Rocky was to go headhunting only then you'd have to fancy RJJ being able to keep out of trouble and make him favourite to ride out a points win.

However, Rocky tended to hit (and by hit I mean hit hard) any moving parts above (and sometimes below) the belt and was adept at targeting his opponents arms as well as his body and head. As fast as Roy was, he's going to get hit with something at some point and it's going to hurt - a lot. It's how he reacts that is the key to the fight. Rocky (by stoppage) a slight favourite over 12 - a bigger favourite over 15.

There is this myth developing that Rocky would punch through walls before breakfast. Lets get real and find some perspective here. He went life and death with Charles who was obscenely past his best. I maintain that RJJ was a better boxer by miles to the Charles Rocky fought. Charles took his best until h wilted. RJJ would have better stamina than the old Charles and would not be caught so often.

He went life and death with Archie who stood there to be hit and got hit. Not only was RJJ a better boxer, but a superior athlete than Moore.

Over 15 rounds it will be an additional 3 rounds of beating Rocky will endure.

DAVE667 wrote:RJJ would have better stamina than the old Charles and would not be caught so often.

Now you're syaing Jones WOULD be caught by Marciano!!!!

The only real issue is whether or not Jones always had dodgy whiskers and it was his in-ring ability which prevented him from being caught and KO'd or whether his chin just deteriorated with age.

Sadly, as no-one ever really caught Roy hard enough and clean enough for it to become an issue when at his peak, it's merely guesswork as to whether or not Marciano puts him away if he hits him.

Ali and Holmes also had a great set of whiskers and powers of recovery...not something we believe Jones had in abundance

Take a shower you get wet. Of course he'll get hit. You make it as if all Rock has to do is touch him and its all over. Rocky has to have the skill to be able to land with enough force to force a stoppage. He lacks that skill.

Because RJJ is getting sparked doesn't mean he couldn't take a blow. His punch resistance has gone with age. If faster guys and more skilled operators like Toney couldn't land cleanly, what makes you think a caveman could. Its like a club against a machine gun. Not a contest.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:

superflyweight wrote:

But lets not forget that speed was a foreign language to Rocky..

As understatement is to you.

If Rocky was to go headhunting only then you'd have to fancy RJJ being able to keep out of trouble and make him favourite to ride out a points win.

However, Rocky tended to hit (and by hit I mean hit hard) any moving parts above (and sometimes below) the belt and was adept at targeting his opponents arms as well as his body and head. As fast as Roy was, he's going to get hit with something at some point and it's going to hurt - a lot. It's how he reacts that is the key to the fight. Rocky (by stoppage) a slight favourite over 12 - a bigger favourite over 15.

There is this myth developing that Rocky would punch through walls before breakfast. Lets get real and find some perspective here. He went life and death with Charles who was obscenely past his best. I maintain that RJJ was a better boxer by miles to the Charles Rocky fought. Charles took his best until h wilted. RJJ would have better stamina than the old Charles and would not be caught so often.

He went life and death with Archie who stood there to be hit and got hit. Not only was RJJ a better boxer, but a superior athlete than Moore.

Over 15 rounds it will be an additional 3 rounds of beating Rocky will endure.

Az you talk utter shizenhausen sometimes.

You talk as if Marciano wasn't and isn't regarded as an absolute wrecking ball of a body puncher, as if he was slower than the traffic on the M25 at rush hour.

Infact, the way you make it sound, I'd have a fighting chance against such a slow unskillful undefeated heavyweight champion of the world.

Marciano might be a caveman but he had a serious engine and he could win from any round 1-15 - RJJ couldwin on cuts but I think its more likely he goes the full 15 rounds. So I think Rocky is a far sight more dangerous than you are saying but I'd give RJJ the benefit of the doubt.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Az you talk utter shizenhausen sometimes.

You talk as if Marciano wasn't and isn't regarded as an absolute wrecking ball of a body puncher, as if he was slower than the traffic on the M25 at rush hour.

Infact, the way you make it sound, I'd have a fighting chance against such a slow unskillful undefeated heavyweight champion of the world.

His legendary status has increased over time. At the time he was regarded as a poor fighter. Over time he has become this dominant colossus who absolutely destroyed the best fighters who ever lived. Whilst the reality is somewhat different. He beat very faded greats who started off as middleweights and Cockell. If he is going to be given credit for beating Louis who came out of retirement to pay taxes, then lets all give Holmes the credit he wants for beating a "near peak" Ali. Or even Berbick.

He was marginally faster than a statue.

Prime RJJ was a fantastic boxer and no doubt could win this on points but one things for sure Marciano will keep coming one lapse of concentration from RJJ and it most definitely could be goodnight.

Anyone thinking this is a RJJ 15round stroll in the park is living in cuckoo land. You dont get a 49-0 unbeaten record by just being lucky.

Nico the gman wrote:Prime RJJ was a fantastic boxer and no doubt could win this on points but one things for sure Marciano will keep coming one lapse of concentration from RJJ and it most definitely could be goodnight.

Anyone thinking this is a RJJ 15round stroll in the park is living in cuckoo land. You dont get a 49-0 unbeaten record by just being lucky.

Brian Neilsen went 48-0 fighting the same quality of opposition.

I dont expect RJJ to have any lapses. He went 12 against a class Toney without a single lapse. Ditto McCallum and Hopkins.

azania wrote:I dont expect RJJ to have any lapses. He went 12 against a class Toney without a single lapse. Ditto McCallum and Hopkins.

Three Middleweights,your dislike for a fighter comes through every time when making your point, its as see through as cling film.

One might suggest his DQ against Montel was due to a lapse in concentration. Had he rushed in like that against Marciano, who's to say Rocky doesn't land one on him?

Nico the gman wrote:

azania wrote:I dont expect RJJ to have any lapses. He went 12 against a class Toney without a single lapse. Ditto McCallum and Hopkins.

Three Middleweights,your dislike for a fighter comes through every time when making your point, its as see through as cling film.

Well they were all faster and more skilled yet couldn't land. I see this similarly to SRR v that LHW he lost to when he wilted. Only that RJJ would not wilt in the same manner SRR did.

DAVE667 wrote:One might suggest his DQ against Montel was due to a lapse in concentration. Had he rushed in like that against Marciano, who's to say Rocky doesn't land one on him?

Yeah and Rocky should have been DQ'd against Walcott (not Theo). It was exactly the same incident.

Evading fighters who are wary of your power is one thing but Marciano would walk Jones down relentlessly until he lands and lands big, Moore was a far cleverer fighter than Jones but had no answers to the relentless aggression of Marciano.

RJJ was a better boxer, athlete with superior all round skills. Moore maybe a cleverer fighter, but not a better one. If Moore could give rock fits. RJJ beats him. Skill wins this one.

Moore didn't really give Marciano any issues aside from one flash knockdown aside from which he was dominated, Jones may be a better athlete but i'd have to take exception to him being a better boxer than Moore.

I wonder why Archie hated the ref for that fight. Ah well, most likely delusional boxers again. But Charles who was old and damaged goods went the distance. Walcott, old and damaged was well ahead until 13. He would never be able to catch up with RJJ to land anything of any significance. His agricultural style of fighting is made for RJJ.

So what if he hit hard (allegedly). It took him 9 rounds to beat Cockell, an ill middleweight who probably wouldn't be allowed to fight were he active today.

He would be schooled with a near shut out.

FfffffACt!!!

Cockell was a light heavyweight but don't let the facts get in the way of your version of reality.

Yep. But Rocky would have won the Korean war on his own. Bullets bounce off him. Raindrops were scared to fall on him.

Didn't cockell start off as a middleweight but went up a division because of some illness he had that made him gain weight?

Wrong yet again, he was a career light heavyweight before moving up.

A quick look at Boxrec states that he fought at Watford weighing 155lbs. If I am not mistaken that is below the Junior Middleweight weight limit.

But I'll accept that he moved up to LHW. Looking at pictures of him he looked like a sawn off Galento.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FToTaFBpdx4

Looks like a knock down to me

He fought all of one fight within the middleweight limit as a 17 year old.

Great fishing Az...Got some bites.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:He fought all of one fight within the middleweight limit as a 17 year old.

Yup. Most of his career was fought at 168 and above. With modern nutrition and diets (not guiness and chip butties as they did then) RJJ could easily bulk up and retain his speed, strength and everything else that made his probably the most talented fighter in the last 50 years. Well he did it anyway.

Are ou seriously suggesting that Rocky fought great opposition?

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I'm finding this more insightful and less repetitive than actual Az posts. I might just stick with it.

You need to foe others who quote azania as well for it to work superfly.

I'm not going to do it, pbf. I just wanted to try it out to see what happened. I don't mind Az, he giveth and he taketh.