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nadeem2099 wrote:Man United 2 Braga 3

You heard it here first folks.

Yo Nadz, about that...

Looking to offload a couple of midfielders for cash if anyone's interested, any offers on my page

And I'm also willing to sell Julio Cesar if anyone beats his lawyers offer.

I am also looking to raise some cash. Offers for my players on my page please. Kroos/Pedro could be sold if there is a nice profit for me (I doubt it tho)

Me and Viva are also on the lookout for potential deals - look us up!

I left you love birds an offer Azzy

Anyone want to beat my lawyers offer for Zouma?

I cant Greggers sorry.
Anyone want to beat my Lawyers offers?

I've stuck up some media questions for week 2 for those so inclined to attend their press conferences.

I could make some deals. Lectures dull

sodhat wrote:I've stuck up some media questions for week 2 for those so inclined to attend their press conferences.

Already done mon amis

sodhat wrote:I left you love birds an offer Azzy

If it's a threesome, I should tell you that Viva's not really into that kind of thing.

Azzy Mahmood wrote:

sodhat wrote:I left you love birds an offer Azzy

If it's a threesome, I should tell you that Viva's not really into that kind of thing.

I see, he is the jealous type. That's fair enough - I have replaced my proposition with a football based transfer bid instead.

Morning girls and Azzy

Sodhat you have no chance with Azzy and I'm not jealous I trust him xxx

Nearly a whole hour since the last post, is everyone feeling okay?

I'm on a half day so I'm banging some work out before I go home and resume playing the xbox.

Hero and Afro are away too, we're short on numbers. Someone start a row with someone else, that'll do it.

Shaktar looked good last night. Willian looked really good too.

Someone start a row with someone else, that'll do it.

No!!! Dont start that. I heard someone was known for that just for "entertainment" reasons which didnt go down well...

Michael Carrick is an average PL CM and nowhere near the best in the world

That sounds like Nick_Fury to me. God I hated that s.o.b. "United are great, I'm the best, you lot are worthless scum". We're well shot of him

I thought Braga looked excellent too, despite United's fluke win. They really had the RD's on their heels in the first half.

Alan, what a name

I'm not sure SAF knows how he wants his side to play at the moment. It may actually be a bad thing that he has so many attacking options because he just can't seem to squeeze them all in to a formation.

I assume he's Brazilian

A frontline of Fred and Alan?

GSC yeah stick to your Steven Gayrrard with the hoofing, smashing Football you are the reason why English Football will not progress. I don't blame you lot who don't rate Carrick I understand that your Football knowledge is not as the same level as me.

Gerrard is pretty past it now also.

Carrick is pretty much overhyped like every British player that doesn't hit and hope?

Two debates first one, Gerrard or Lampard?

Second one, has Rooney lived up to the promise when he was a 16 year old?

Yeah that may of been him Azzy. What a douche.

Wasnt a lucky win Azzy. Was always going to happen at Old Trafford. Braga were great first half, soon as Evans put one in & levelled it Braga dropped off and we upped our game a bit.

Soon as I saw Celtic beating Barca and we were down I did a bet double, Barca & United both to win. GET IN!! havent checked my winning from that actually, sure I got 5/1 on it.

Diamond formation did not work one bit. I doubt we will see that again for a while, defo not next three games, Chelsea, Chelsea & Arsenal

Tough to call Lamps or Gerrard.

Lampard keeps it simple and has a deceptively good range of passing, but Gerrard is a driving force and offers variety in his game. Both get goals too.

I would probably take Gerrard with a gun to my head.

1. Gerrard, every time. When he's off-form he's poor, when he's on-form he's world class. Lampard gives you 6/10 every time, plus some deflected goals and penalties. He's never been good for England either, while even to this day, Gerrard is the fulcrum of the England midfield.

2. No. He was going to be better than Kluivert, Ronaldo and Batistuta. But instead, he's not even the best striker at his club. And why on earth did he seem to be playing RM whenever I saw him last night?

GSC wrote:Gerrard is pretty past it now also.

Carrick is pretty much overhyped like every British player that doesn't hit and hope?

When did Gerrard ever have it? A powerful shot and scored the long ranger and everyone starts to bum him, Gerrard at his best was playing as an AM or SS and that was only for a season or two. Ask Rafa Benitez or the other managers that prefered Lucas in CM over Gerrard. Everyone knows Gerrard can't hack it as a CM he does not have the positional sense, the brain, hits far too many hollywood balls. He can't control a midfield, dictate the play, he needs someone else to do that and allow him to finish it off.

Gerrard bottled it at Liverpool, didn't have the balls to leave as the big fish in a small pond because he knew at bigger clubs like Chelsea he wouldn't be the main man and the team wouldn't be played around him which would show up how average he is. As a leader he is very good but as a Footballer I'd say he has been bigged up by Liverpool so much and his bummers.

How is Carrick overhyped? If anything he is very underated, he is such a class player he keeps the ball well and does not look for the lime light like some of his England buddys do.

Azzy Mahmood wrote:

2. No. He was going to be better than Kluivert, Ronaldo and Batistuta. But instead, he's not even the best striker at his club. And why on earth did he seem to be playing RM whenever I saw him last night?

Victim of versatility and United not knowing how they want to play. They have so many options up front that Rooney will be the one to suffer because he is capable of playing elsewhere. Like Scholes being LM for England for so long.

Lampard, his deflected goals are better the Gerrards hollywood passes.
Who was that ex Liverpool player recently to lift the lid, he was saying how selfish Gerrard is and how he actually didnt care about his team mates etc. It may of been the sewer rat Diouf.

Rooney is a complete player. Azzy, hes not the same mould/type of player to Ronaldo (brazilian) etc.
Also, what game were you watching? He was out on the left or central not right. Either way no one can deny Rooney is a complete player. Kluivert, Ronaldo and Batistuta we not all round players like Roo. 2 out of them three were great strikers, Kluivert IMO was a bit of a flop, his career went downhill after a only a few good years at the top.

VivaPaulScholes wrote:

GSC wrote:Gerrard is pretty past it now also.

Carrick is pretty much overhyped like every British player that doesn't hit and hope?

When did Gerrard ever have it? A powerful shot and scored the long ranger and everyone starts to bum him, Gerrard at his best was playing as an AM or SS and that was only for a season or two. Ask Rafa Benitez or the other managers that prefered Lucas in CM over Gerrard. Everyone knows Gerrard can't hack it as a CM he does not have the positional sense, the brain, hits far too many hollywood balls. He can't control a midfield, dictate the play, he needs someone else to do that and allow him to finish it off.

Gerrard bottled it at Liverpool, didn't have the balls to leave as the big fish in a small pond because he knew at bigger clubs like Chelsea he wouldn't be the main man and the team wouldn't be played around him which would show up how average he is. As a leader he is very good but as a Footballer I'd say he has been bigged up by Liverpool so much and his bummers.

How is Carrick overhyped? If anything he is very underated, he is such a class player he keeps the ball well and does not look for the lime light like some of his England buddys do.

Gerrard definitely had it. He isn't a classic CM, but then who says he has to be? He has attributes that make him a phenomenal footballer - roundly respected by his peers and most neutral observers.

At his best he was carrying his team, that's almost undeniable. His performance in the CL Final is one of the best "scruff of the neck" performances I've seen; same with the FA Cup final. Roy Keane would have been proud of those performances.

His performance in the CL Final is one of the best "scruff of the neck" performances I've seen

Not as good as Roy Keane' semi final against Juventus

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

His performance in the CL Final is one of the best "scruff of the neck" performances I've seen

Not as good as Roy Keane' semi final against Juventus

Why not? Because you're a United fan?

Gerrard scored one, won a penalty, and got his team back from 3-0 down against a defence including Nesta, Maldini, and Stam and a midfield with Gattuso looking to snap his legs.

Not only that, he was moved around the pitch to accomodate tired legs and ended up at right back too. As much of a virtuoso display as I've ever seen.

Why not? Because you're a United fan?

Nope.
To know your are banned and will be missing the final if you get there, to lead your team from 2-0 down, cover every blade of grass on that pitch, Roy Keane played for the badge & the team. Gerrard plays for the name on the back of his shirt.

Sodhat stop trying to turn it around with words such as "classic CM" he wasn't a CM full stop he didn't have the ability. He is good with his long shots and the way he plays gives a false illusion that he is some beast of a player. Do you lot remember when he tried playing the "power house midfield" style against the likes of Keane, Vieira, Essien they peed all over him. That style only worked for him when he was up against third rate midfielders and when he tried to play like the ellegant midfield like Scholes he looked stupid because he does not have the ability to turn the pace of a game, the quick one two, the shuffle to the other side of the pitch. All he did was play over hit long balls that looked good on camera but didn't do much.

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Rooney is a complete player. Azzy, hes not the same mould/type of player to Ronaldo (brazilian) etc.
Also, what game were you watching? He was out on the left or central not right. Either way no one can deny Rooney is a complete player. Kluivert, Ronaldo and Batistuta we not all round players like Roo. 2 out of them three were great strikers, Kluivert IMO was a bit of a flop, his career went downhill after a only a few good years at the top.

Rooney isn't a complete player. His fitness is questionable, his commitment lacking on occasion, and as for his temperament...

Every time I saw Rooney he was covering Braga's left-side, which put him at RM in my book. But then again, I did have a 3 year old running around, so I didn't see all 90mins as closely as I'd have liked.

And how can you say Batigol wasn't a complete player? I'd take a half-fit Batigol in his prime over a fully-fit Rooney in his prime any day.

Azzy no English player is world class except Paul Scholes.

sodhat wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

His performance in the CL Final is one of the best "scruff of the neck" performances I've seen

Not as good as Roy Keane' semi final against Juventus

Gerrard scored one, won a penalty, and got his team back from 3-0 down against a defence including Nesta, Maldini, and Stam and a midfield with Gattuso looking to snap his legs.

Not only that, he was moved around the pitch to accomodate tired legs and ended up at right back too. As much of a virtuoso display as I've ever seen.

Probably the greatest individual performance I've seen. Keane's was phenomenal, but Gerrard's was another level.

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Azzy no English player is world class except Paul Scholes.

That's because he 'scores goals'

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

Why not? Because you're a United fan?

Nope.
To know your are banned and will be missing the final if you get there, to lead your team from 2-0 down, cover every blade of grass on that pitch, Roy Keane played for the badge & the team. Gerrard plays for the name on the back of his shirt.

Just because you made it bold doesn't make it true.

Gerrard led his side, as captain, from 3-0 down on the biggest stage of them all. It's at least on a level with Keane's performance.

Batistuta >>> Rooney

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Sodhat stop trying to turn it around with words such as "classic CM" he wasn't a CM full stop he didn't have the ability. He is good with his long shots and the way he plays gives a false illusion that he is some beast of a player. Do you lot remember when he tried playing the "power house midfield" style against the likes of Keane, Vieira, Essien they peed all over him. That style only worked for him when he was up against third rate midfielders and when he tried to play like the ellegant midfield like Scholes he looked stupid because he does not have the ability to turn the pace of a game, the quick one two, the shuffle to the other side of the pitch. All he did was play over hit long balls that looked good on camera but didn't do much.

It's not turning it around at all. He isn't a CM, or at least he wasn't. He was there to burst forward and support attacks as well as provide energy in the middle. You can't say he was rubbish because he isn't Paul Scholes.

3rd rate midfielders don't exist at the top level, where he has operated his entire career.

sodhat wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

Why not? Because you're a United fan?

Nope.
To know your are banned and will be missing the final if you get there, to lead your team from 2-0 down, cover every blade of grass on that pitch, Roy Keane played for the badge & the team. Gerrard plays for the name on the back of his shirt.

Just because you made it bold doesn't make it true.

Gerrard led his side, as captain, from 3-0 down on the biggest stage of them all. It's at least on a level with Keane's performance.

That is the biggest myth ever in Football and I will explain to you why, I've heard people say that time and time again how Gerrard was the one that led Liverpool to victory. Unlike most of these people who watched clips on youtube or heard that Gerrard scored and won a penalty they will believe that.

I watched the game and the reason why Liverpool won was because of [b]Hamann[/b, when he came on Liverpool had a base a foundation someone that took control for them and limited the threat of Kaka something Gerrard couldnt do because he was too busy looking for personal glory. Just because ap layer runs around a lot and shouts a lot covering a few positions does not mean he is so awesome.

Watch the 2005 final again.

Rooney isn't a complete player. His fitness is questionable, his commitment lacking on occasion, and as for his temperament...

his fitness is fine. commitment....what like playing for England when he has a club game 3 days after, at least he plays how many times has the Great Gerrard pullen out of England matches. Azzy, temperament is fine. picked up a very low number of cards last season. Your just picking at things now with no actualy substance.

Keane's was phenomenal, but Gerrard's was another level.

Keanes preformance was of a true captain for the team. Gerrard is only bothered about himself, how he will look and how many pladits he will get.

VivaPaulScholes wrote:

sodhat wrote:

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

Why not? Because you're a United fan?

Nope.
To know your are banned and will be missing the final if you get there, to lead your team from 2-0 down, cover every blade of grass on that pitch, Roy Keane played for the badge & the team. Gerrard plays for the name on the back of his shirt.

Just because you made it bold doesn't make it true.

Gerrard led his side, as captain, from 3-0 down on the biggest stage of them all. It's at least on a level with Keane's performance.

That is the biggest myth ever in Football and I will explain to you why, I've heard people say that time and time again how Gerrard was the one that led Liverpool to victory. Unlike most of these people who watched clips on youtube or heard that Gerrard scored and won a penalty they will believe that.

I watched the game and the reason why Liverpool won was because of [b]Hamann[/b, when he came on Liverpool had a base a foundation someone that took control for them and limited the threat of Kaka something Gerrard couldnt do because he was too busy looking for personal glory. Just because ap layer runs around a lot and shouts a lot covering a few positions does not mean he is so awesome.

Watch the 2005 final again.

I watched it at the time. What you say may well be true, but even so, without Gerrard, who would have won the game for them? Smicer? Kewell? Baros?

It's credit to Benitez that he made the change and got the best out of Gerrard, allowing him to get forward and drive his team on, doing what he does best. That doesn't take away from the fact Gerrard put in a performance of rare quality. I don't get the personal glory line with you guys either. Should he not score goals because it's greedy? Should he not pull his team from the brink of a battering because he looks like he is selfish?

Gerrard led his side, as captain, from 3-0 down on the biggest stage of them all. It's at least on a level with Keane's performance.

Sorry, its not on level. It was a great preformance from Gerrad but no as good as what Keane did that night in Turin.

Batistuta >>> Rooney

Agreed but they are different players

Actually Viva has a point, Hamann was excellent that match & helped steady the ship, restrict Kaka.

Well Kewell got injured early on in the game, Smicer did play his part with the long range goal. Maybe Liverpool would have lost 3-0 or maybe someone else would have taken the game by the neck and got them back into it.

Its Football anything can happen, they said the same about United when Keane, Schmichael, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Scholes etc left the team.

I'd say Gerrard v Milan was different to Keane v Juventus. Keane v Juventus isn't as good as Ballack v South Korea in the World Cup 2002 semi final.