primetime ? whos to blame?

if ricky then what is he thinking thinking ? he was always loved by the public for down to earth persona and the peoples champion! he needs exposure to get people on side and being on primetime does nt make it seem a big fight , i really dont think people care about much about hes comeback to pay 15 quid for some cruddy ppv channal !

what about sky sports ? they should hang thier heads in shame for not getting the hitmans return? thought it was the home of boxing yet one of the the biggest british stars [ if not theeee biggest ] of the modern era makes a comeback and they carnt hype it into a big fight?

whoever is to blame it shows the state of boxing on tv that this can happen

Can I just point out Hatton’s fight vs Lazcano was on Sky Box Office, this was a tune up against a limited opponent on the back of a crushing loss, with not much of an undercard beneath it. Am not saying that justifies this but given this I am not sure why anyone would expect Hatton to give this away for nothing to terrestrial TV out of some act or altruism or bizarre desire to live up to his man of the people billing.

He is a boxer, one of the major reasons he fights it is make money, the fact that he is approachable and easy going in person does not change that fact.

He wants money, granted I'd love for it to be on ITV or even CH5, but it's his choice, there's no blame.

SKY won't roll the dice on Hatton until he's demonstrated that he has the potential to win (or at least be highly competitive) in a major fight. Chances are Hatton will need two or three fights before we are convinced he still has what it takes to be a force in the WW division. Trouble is, two or three fights down the line, Hatton may have realised it's all too much like hard work, all this "fighting your way back into contention" lark.

Everything looks geared towards a Khan/Hatton showdown next year but there are issues with this....
1/ Hatton may not be the force he once was and Sky may be reluctant to shell out money for a percieved mismatch.
2/ Khan may not get his act together at WW and, if he hasn't sorted his defence out, he may end up flat on his back again and out of the running because...
3/ Kell Brook may throw a spanner in the works if/when he beats Amir and I doubt a Hatton/Brook fight is as easy to sell as Khan/Hatton.

Whilst Rowley has a point re the Lazscano fight, let's not forget it was a pretty tedious affair after the first half dozen rounds with only Ricky's untied shoelace providing the highlights near the end. I'm not convinced people will be AS accomodating this time around. They've had their fingers burnt by Hatton and Haye and whilst people want to be entertained I think more people are starting to demand value for money.

Hatton USED to be a guaranteed VFM fighter but after three years out, are we really going to see the Hatton of old? Unlikely.

The thing to remember with primetime is they operate on different scales to Sky, they do not have their advertising costs, production costs or overheads, their own chief executive has admitted this. As such the kind of audience on PPV that would represent a disaster for Sky can turn a profit for Primetime. Am obviously woefully unqualified to make such a speculation but between the casual fans Hatton attracts, those curious to see what he has left and those keen to see the Monroe Quigg rematch I would imagine this will do alright for them, particularly as it does not require anyone to stay up till stupid o’clock to watch it.

I reckon they'd still need to attract more viewers than ever as I can't see Hatton fighting for £20 and pork pie....then again!!!!!!!

Just the Pork Pie.

Sky could only afford Hatton on box office, and as Haye binned that for boxing, Hatton will need to prove his merit for them to bring that back. Hatton has always been about the cash, and as a prizefighter, you've got to expect it really. Otherwise he'd have had a go a Witter, if only to try to shut his face.

Saying that, I do agree with the train of thought that he missed a trickin getting exposure for his stable. Primetime is a good move for Hatton, bad for his promtional stable.

jimdig wrote:Sky could only afford Hatton on box office, and as Haye binned that for boxing, Hatton will need to prove his merit for them to bring that back. Hatton has always been about the cash, and as a prizefighter, you've got to expect it really. Otherwise he'd have had a go a Witter, if only to try to shut his face.

Saying that, I do agree with the train of thought that he missed a trickin getting exposure for his stable. Primetime is a good move for Hatton, bad for his promtional stable.

how did haye bin box office !?

Harrison and Wlad Klitschko...Sky dump PPV after.

rycoys wrote:

jimdig wrote:Sky could only afford Hatton on box office, and as Haye binned that for boxing, Hatton will need to prove his merit for them to bring that back. Hatton has always been about the cash, and as a prizefighter, you've got to expect it really. Otherwise he'd have had a go a Witter, if only to try to shut his face.

Saying that, I do agree with the train of thought that he missed a trickin getting exposure for his stable. Primetime is a good move for Hatton, bad for his promtional stable.

how did haye bin box office !?

Because there were so many complaints about how poor the quality of every single one of his fights were, the Valuev fight was horrendously boring, Harrison was a farce fight, Wlad Kbro fight wasn't the greatest viewing experience. The only fight that was on Box Office that was half decent was the Ruiz fight and that wasn't exactly a thrill a minute.

I thought the Ruiz fight was good.

did nt hatton get schooled in hes ppv fights v mannt and floyd ? haye won 3 out 4 and took wlad the distance , dont think you can put the blame on haye alone , sky have put on box office for years with some poor fights , think the problem lies deeper , lack of talent , the big fights not happeing and when they do it takes a years of boring hype and not enough media attention on boxing , times have changed and sky have a portion of blame , you cant blame haye no sky ppv

Rycoys are you Adam Booth?...Hatton's fights with Manny and Mayweather was exciting and most of his other fights like Tszyu was value for money.

3 out 4 Haye's fights on ppv have not been value for money...Haye is to blame for no sky ppv.

DAVE667 wrote:SKY won't roll the dice on Hatton until he's demonstrated that he has the potential to win (or at least be highly competitive) in a major fight. Chances are Hatton will need two or three fights before we are convinced he still has what it takes to be a force in the WW division. Trouble is, two or three fights down the line, Hatton may have realised it's all too much like hard work, all this "fighting your way back into contention" lark.

Everything looks geared towards a Khan/Hatton showdown next year but there are issues with this....
1/ Hatton may not be the force he once was and Sky may be reluctant to shell out money for a percieved mismatch.
2/ Khan may not get his act together at WW and, if he hasn't sorted his defence out, he may end up flat on his back again and out of the running because...
3/ Kell Brook may throw a spanner in the works if/when he beats Amir and I doubt a Hatton/Brook fight is as easy to sell as Khan/Hatton.

Whilst Rowley has a point re the Lazscano fight, let's not forget it was a pretty tedious affair after the first half dozen rounds with only Ricky's untied shoelace providing the highlights near the end. I'm not convinced people will be AS accomodating this time around. They've had their fingers burnt by Hatton and Haye and whilst people want to be entertained I think more people are starting to demand value for money.

Hatton USED to be a guaranteed VFM fighter but after three years out, are we really going to see the Hatton of old? Unlikely.

i disagree with sky being reluctant to shell out for a mismatch. they will fight tooth and nail for that fight. mismatch or not, it's an instant mega fight. sky are good at blowing up fights and making us believe it's a 50/50 affair. think haye harrison.

Think some people just like to blame Haye for anything that goes wrong with boxing and the world in general.

He can hardly be held accountable for the Wlad and Harrison fights as they both have previous for stinking the place out. The Ruiz fight was reasonable and whilst the Valuev fight was mundane, Valuev hardly had a rep as exciting.

As it happens I don't think any of Haye's fights should have been ppv other than Wlad. Sky have themselves to blame for authorising Haye to fight stinkers.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Think some people just like to blame Haye for anything that goes wrong with boxing and the world in general.

He can hardly be held accountable for the Wlad and Harrison fights as they both have previous for stinking the place out. The Ruiz fight was reasonable and whilst the Valuev fight was mundane, Valuev hardly had a rep as exciting.

As it happens I don't think any of Haye's fights should have been ppv other than Wlad. Sky have themselves to blame for authorising Haye to fight stinkers.

Spot on.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Think some people just like to blame Haye for anything that goes wrong with boxing and the world in general.

He can hardly be held accountable for the Wlad and Harrison fights as they both have previous for stinking the place out. The Ruiz fight was reasonable and whilst the Valuev fight was mundane, Valuev hardly had a rep as exciting.

As it happens I don't think any of Haye's fights should have been ppv other than Wlad. Sky have themselves to blame for authorising Haye to fight stinkers.

Spot on.

bravo , sky should just sought themselves out ! haye v chisora for instance was a massive fight and they should have got it ! the home of boxing! but they could generate so much intrest in the heavyweight division just look what they did for haye and like him or not sky made it exciting and hyped it perfectly , haye has the talent and sky really helped , sky should be stright into price v fury hype ? but fury on channal 5 and price on boxnoshow its a joke ! i know the talent isnt as strong as it once but sky could really help and they choose not to , haye chisora fury price the klits! sky should get into it and get it hyped!

There are many ills in boxing at the minute but I'm sorry anyone laying the blame at Sky's door is looking in very much the wrong place. Of all the TV stations in the last 20 years in this country there is one constant and that is Sky has shown live boxing, the degree to which it has shown it may have varied but showing it hasn't, and crucially not just the big shows or fighters, how many other channels ever in this country have showcased domestci fights in the lower weight classes on a live basis as Sky frequently as.

No one fighter or promoter is responsible for sky dumping PPV or scaling back its boxing output there are any number of issues. Fighters not wanting to fight each other, rival promoters refusing to work with each other, mismatches being promoted as great fights, fake grudges created to fool the gullible, more belts and champions per division than anyone can realistically keep track of, when one considers all this it is a wonder any TV company bothers but I for one am glad Sky do.

rowley wrote:There are many ills in boxing at the minute but I'm sorry anyone laying the blame at Sky's door is looking in very much the wrong place. Of all the TV stations in the last 20 years in this country there is one constant and that is Sky has shown live boxing, the degree to which it has shown it may have varied but showing it hasn't, and crucially not just the big shows or fighters, how many other channels ever in this country have showcased domestci fights in the lower weight classes on a live basis as Sky frequently as.

No one fighter or promoter is responsible for sky dumping PPV or scaling back its boxing output there are any number of issues. Fighters not wanting to fight each other, rival promoters refusing to work with each other, mismatches being promoted as great fights, fake grudges created to fool the gullible, more belts and champions per division than anyone can realistically keep track of, when one considers all this it is a wonder any TV company bothers but I for one am glad Sky do.

see your point its just very frustrating sky haveing the power to hype genuine fights , i suppose the sport in general is to blame , but its the sport that suffers and its not just down to the best used to face the best, a freind said to me the other day [ why doese nt that floyd manny fight happen?] i didnt really have an awnser!

i think they've missed a trick, if anybody could get boxing to a wider audience its hatton. boxing seems to be in decline with the general public, and this could have been just what they needed, if i was sky i'd give him a free to air slot and i'd stack the undercard to high heaven, in hope of pulling in more long term fans.

cant blame primetime for trying to get the fight, that is what they do.

Whilst that is true Eddy, it must also be said a show on Sky Sports 1 would NEVER generate as much money as a PPV show of this size, so it would have been team Hatton that would have chosen to not go to Sky.

Also, to be fair, they have recently just shunned Hattons promotional stable, so he is perhaps not 100% happy with them.

but if this fights to get his stable exposure working with sky would have been an ideal option.

i didnt think about it that way though, if hatton isnt convinced he will win he will probably want the biggest payday possible, and i dont blame him

I think they would ahve been interested in him, but not the rest of his stable really, it makes little difference if they're only going to be on his shows when he's fighting.