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Post by HERSH Fri 26 Oct 2012, 1:58 pm

Is that it for them?

I think mentally it could be the killer blow!

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Post by sirtidychris Fri 26 Oct 2012, 2:03 pm

Wouldn't surprise me if they did at all the way the squad and management team has been completely undermined by John Mitchell following the team and gving media interviews about if he DID join the club he would be the only leader and change this and change that...What are the squad meant to think ?


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Post by ScarletSpiderman Fri 26 Oct 2012, 2:09 pm

HERSH wrote:Is that it for them?

I think mentally it could be the killer blow!

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Worse that would be a middle finger up to all of those who were prediciting a two horse race for relegation with London Welsh leading the race for the chop.
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Post by Cryptoyourisan Fri 26 Oct 2012, 3:19 pm

Worcester have been far the better team than Sale so far this season and have been unlucky not have a few results go there way, e.g. Gloucester at home. I expect Worcester to win and for Sale to fail to get a LBP.

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Post by HERSH Fri 26 Oct 2012, 3:27 pm

Can't argue with that.

It could be a very grim trip back home for the Sale faithful.
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Post by beshocked Fri 26 Oct 2012, 3:47 pm

Hopefully Sale get rid of Steve Diamond.

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Post by Cumbrian Fri 26 Oct 2012, 6:03 pm

Considering the importance of this game, the team selection beggars belief. They've put out one of the most blunt and slow backlines I've seen in a long time.

They've dropped Mark Jennings from the squad entirely (despite being one of their better players from the Heineken cup rounds) in favour of two really uncreative bosh centres (Who have provided nothing all season anyway). They've dropped Rob Miller! He may not have played all that well against Montpellier, but he is one of the few guys they have that carries any form of attacking threat.

They're starting Ross Harrison! Normally I'm all for giving youth a chance, but his début in a must, must, must win game? I'm finding it difficult to see the logic.

Worcester a tough nut to crack at home, I really doubt this team will do it.
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Post by doctor_grey Fri 26 Oct 2012, 6:41 pm

Is this one on tv?
It does have a compelling storyline, but similar in a way to watching a drag race knowing one of the cars is going to drive off the cliff on the side of the road.

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Post by Cumbrian Fri 26 Oct 2012, 8:46 pm

It's currently 16-8 at HT.
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Post by HammerofThunor Fri 26 Oct 2012, 9:57 pm

And they lost. Well done Worcester.

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Post by Cryptoyourisan Sat 27 Oct 2012, 1:00 am

Sale did get a LBP, though.

Crying or Very sad

Still, bleak prospects for Sale.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat 27 Oct 2012, 9:17 am

So if Sale are bottom at the end of the year will they get relegated and Newcastle come back up? Or are Newcastle not allowed back in now because their amenities don't meet the constraints that the PRL set...?

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Post by HERSH Sat 27 Oct 2012, 9:33 am

blah blah blah.....

Ignore the fishing Wum folks, don't bite laughing
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 27 Oct 2012, 9:53 am

maestegmafia wrote:So if Sale are bottom at the end of the year will they get relegated and Newcastle come back up? Or are Newcastle not allowed back in now because their amenities don't meet the constraints that the PRL set...?

They do and always have though... Headscratch
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 27 Oct 2012, 9:55 am

That's the last bite I'll take. Promise. laughing
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Post by LondonTiger Sat 27 Oct 2012, 9:56 am

Sale will not finish bottom.


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Post by HERSH Sat 27 Oct 2012, 10:06 am

They shouldn't, but they need a shake up at the club to save themselves in the 2nd half of the season.

London Welsh will still go down IMO
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Post by LondonTiger Sat 27 Oct 2012, 10:08 am

Sale are playing much better than they were.

A series of matches coming up with other teams affected by int call-ups and they should start winning.

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 27 Oct 2012, 10:09 am

Of course I do not count beating lower tier teams like Cardiff blues Run

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Post by maestegmafia Sat 27 Oct 2012, 10:29 am

LT

That's an insult to decent lower tier teams mate.

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Post by HERSH Sat 27 Oct 2012, 10:39 am

Ignore the Troll LT thumbsup
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Post by LondonTiger Sat 27 Oct 2012, 10:40 am

At times we are all trolls.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 27 Oct 2012, 10:44 am

When I was younger I dated a girl whose mum was troll. Didn't work out really. I sobered up quickly and I realised I didn't like having a potential mother-in-law who could kick my behind.

Shame for Sale
- didn't some people think they were going to challenge the top 6 or even the top 4 this season?

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Post by Morgannwg Sat 27 Oct 2012, 11:23 am

LondonTiger wrote:Sale will not finish bottom.


Yes they will.
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Post by LondonTiger Sat 27 Oct 2012, 11:27 am

Morgannwg wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Sale will not finish bottom.


Yes they will.

Ok we need to agree forfeits for which of us is wrong come the end of the season.

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Post by Morgannwg Sat 27 Oct 2012, 11:53 am

If you're wrong you post an article telling us how good the Rabo is and how crap the Aviva Prem is (and to be fair it's not a bad forfeit because you wouldn't be lying).
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Post by HERSH Sat 27 Oct 2012, 12:16 pm

The Rabo's ok but it is the 3rd best league in Europe, behind the Jeff and Top14.

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Post by Hood83 Sat 27 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm

beshocked wrote:Hopefully Sale get rid of Steve Diamond.

You mean Redpath surely? Utterly mediocre coach. Steve Diamond is a good forwards coach at least, if nothing else

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Post by Hood83 Sat 27 Oct 2012, 12:29 pm

I'm baffled as to how no matter how awful his selections, how inept his forwards, how inert his backs, Redpath still manages to squirm out of being the first person blamed.

I've asked the question before to Glos fans as to why they seemed to rate him. I was utterly unconvinced by the answers. Has he ever improved a single player, let alone team?

Coaches like Redpath are part of the problem with the Prem. We've got plenty of good young players but far too few top-rate coaches.

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Post by yappysnap Sat 27 Oct 2012, 1:47 pm

Hood83 wrote:I'm baffled as to how no matter how awful his selections, how inept his forwards, how inert his backs, Redpath still manages to squirm out of being the first person blamed.

I've asked the question before to Glos fans as to why they seemed to rate him. I was utterly unconvinced by the answers. Has he ever improved a single player, let alone team?

Coaches like Redpath are part of the problem with the Prem. We've got plenty of good young players but far too few top-rate coaches.

Agree with this, the quality of coaching is well behind the quality of players at a lot of clubs. Redpath is a poor coach who's very good at saying the right thing to the press though, and everyone loves a coach who throws around words like pride, honesty and character. Much like Lancaster.

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Post by aitchw Sun 28 Oct 2012, 3:17 pm

Redpath won't survive a failure at Sale and will be lucky to find another job where he is ultimately in charge. However, it seems to me that the whole Sale set up is flawed and bringing in Mitchell could see the whole thing disintegrate. What they need is a unifying influence that pulls them all together as a group and I don't see anyone there doing that. On the field they are not playing with any conviction or cohesion and their senior players aren't doing enough to influence things. It's all pretty dire.

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Post by DaveM Sun 28 Oct 2012, 11:37 pm

I think it is pretty ludicrous to compare Redpath and Lancaster. How many AP games in a row has Redpath now lost - it must be getting on for 12? Maybe next week he won't pick either the South Seas centre partnership, or the 19/20 year old English combo but will actually try a mix?

I think Sale are playing a bit better though, and they could easily have gotten the draw. Hodgson's tackle on Addison was undoubtably brave, but also pretty obviously illegal - he basically executed a flying headbutt without using his arms. Still, it sounds like Cipriani didn't really have his kicking boots on, so it may have made no difference.

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Post by Jimpy Mon 29 Oct 2012, 11:14 am

doctor_grey wrote:When I was younger I dated a girl whose mum was troll. Didn't work out really. I sobered up quickly and I realised I didn't like having a potential mother-in-law who could kick my behind.

Shame for Sale
- didn't some people think they were going to challenge the top 6 or even the top 4 this season?

Quite a lot of people did actually, including several pundits. It was a reasonable assumption to make as well, when you consider their end of season form last year and the signings they made over the Summer. It was logical to think they could kick on and be right in with a shout.

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Post by HongKongCherry Mon 29 Oct 2012, 11:46 am

Hood83 wrote:I'm baffled as to how no matter how awful his selections, how inept his forwards, how inert his backs, Redpath still manages to squirm out of being the first person blamed.

I've asked the question before to Glos fans as to why they seemed to rate him. I was utterly unconvinced by the answers. Has he ever improved a single player, let alone team?

Coaches like Redpath are part of the problem with the Prem. We've got plenty of good young players but far too few top-rate coaches.

If you'd asked me back in May would I be defending Brush I'd have laughed at you! But I think that is a harsh view on his abilities. There is no doubt that he had taken Glaws as far as he could but during his tenure we had a season finishing 3rd and winning the LV, coupled with him reducing significantly the wage bill from Dean Ryan's spell.

Has he ever improved a player? I think you'd find it very difficult to argue that he didn't improve Burns, Sharples, May and Trinder all of whom were brought into the first team by Brush.

With the exception of Rob Cook all of Glaws' signings were made by Brush (and John Brain) and they all seem to be making a good impact upon the club. Likewise, as far as I understand Brush was involved in the signing of Paddy Anson for fitness coach. We lost 7 or 8 games last season when we were winning with less than 10 minutes to go. Brush recognised this and brought Anson in.

Would I want to go back to Brush? No, as I feel Nigel Davies is taking the club in a better direction, but then he is vastly more experienced at DoR level, whereas Brush is still a relative novice. I think peoples' perception of Sale last season was incorrect. They finished 6th, but taking aside the adage the table never lies, you have to say this was because Irish, Glaws and Bath massively underpeformed.
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Post by beshocked Mon 29 Oct 2012, 11:58 am

HKC I agree with that. I knew that Sale were being overhyped this season.

They came 6th last season but were so far off the top 4 that it's just silly.

10 points off 5th, 16 points off 4th, 24 points off 3rd, etc.

Closer to 9th than 5th.


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Post by ScarletSpiderman Mon 29 Oct 2012, 12:01 pm

HongKongCherry wrote:Would I want to go back to Brush? No, as I feel Nigel Davies is taking the club in a better direction, but then he is vastly more experienced at DoR level, whereas Brush is still a relative novice. I think peoples' perception of Sale last season was incorrect. They finished 6th, but taking aside the adage the table never lies, you have to say this was because Irish, Glaws and Bath massively underpeformed.

Nige has only been at that level for three seasons (well now into his fourth)
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Post by gregortree Mon 29 Oct 2012, 2:13 pm

Redpath resigned from Glos before end of last season under dodgy circumstances just on the eve of Glos playing Sale, who had 'not' been speaking to.....as his Glos contract forbade it of course! censored
Glos then lost the last 4 games having been left leaderless. Crying or Very sad

New season: Redpath at Sale has now lost all 7.
His Cv is in tatters now, and he has not managed his coaching career very intelligently or successfully.

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Post by HongKongCherry Mon 29 Oct 2012, 7:22 pm

Well this is what happens if Sale lose... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20131910

When will Diamond take responsibility for his appointments?
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Post by HammerofThunor Mon 29 Oct 2012, 7:37 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
HongKongCherry wrote:Would I want to go back to Brush? No, as I feel Nigel Davies is taking the club in a better direction, but then he is vastly more experienced at DoR level, whereas Brush is still a relative novice. I think peoples' perception of Sale last season was incorrect. They finished 6th, but taking aside the adage the table never lies, you have to say this was because Irish, Glaws and Bath massively underpeformed.

Nige has only been at that level for three seasons (well now into his fourth)

He took over at Scarlets in May 2008. So that's 08/09, 09/10, 10/11 and 11/12 at Scarlets. 12/13 at Gloucester (4 seasons, this is his 5th).

Redpath took over in Gloucester in June 2009. So Davies has a year on him. Not much difference really in terms of experience.

But he's gone now anyway.

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Post by DaveM Mon 29 Oct 2012, 8:08 pm

HongKongCherry wrote:Well this is what happens if Sale lose... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20131910

When will Diamond take responsibility for his appointments?

He publically criticised the efforts of his senior players on Friday, which is often a sign of trouble.

He looked a questionable appointment, as does the highly divisive John Mitchell. If he doesn't succeed then Diamond really has to take a look in the mirror (or so the job himself).


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Post by HongKongCherry Mon 29 Oct 2012, 8:33 pm

Very interesting watching this again http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12610_8139043,00.html

Diamond talks about the need for stability and his massive faith in Redpath, yet in one action he shows the complete opposite.
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Post by HongKongCherry Mon 29 Oct 2012, 8:46 pm

It's now being stated that he hasn't been sacked!!

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-union/news/article/504/8209223/redpath-leaves-sale-post?

And the BBC post has been removed, what a farce!

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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon 29 Oct 2012, 9:00 pm

Sale's success last season was based on a tight defence and a competitive and agressive team ethos which the squad bought into. This season there is no team ethos and the defence has gone to hell. Irrelevant of whether Brush has a good appointment or not he had to go as the team was regressing at an alarming rate.

Sale might not be a top 6 side this season but they should not be bottom, they are a lot better than that.

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Post by DaveM Mon 29 Oct 2012, 9:17 pm

HongKongCherry wrote:It's now being stated that he hasn't been sacked!!

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-union/news/article/504/8209223/redpath-leaves-sale-post?

And the BBC post has been removed, what a farce!


If it had, it's back.

BBC

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Post by HongKongCherry Mon 29 Oct 2012, 9:24 pm

DaveM wrote:
HongKongCherry wrote:It's now being stated that he hasn't been sacked!!

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-union/news/article/504/8209223/redpath-leaves-sale-post?

And the BBC post has been removed, what a farce!


If it had, it's back.

BBC

But it's different now, it's saying he's still employed, just not as DoR...
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Post by DaveM Mon 29 Oct 2012, 9:52 pm

It would be very surprising if he remained at the club after being demoted.

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Post by justified sinner Mon 29 Oct 2012, 10:01 pm

Swap you for Bradley.

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Post by LondonTiger Tue 30 Oct 2012, 7:04 am

DaveM wrote:It would be very surprising if he remained at the club after being demoted.

Maybe, but it is preferable to being unemployed. He almost has to stay to rebuild his reputation, or find a different line of work.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 30 Oct 2012, 7:29 am

Brush has got the chop it would appear, but I wonder if the man wielding the axe up there (Mr Diamond) is actually the root cause of Sales underachievement so far this season. To me he is in danger of becoming a bit of a charicature of himself, with his OTT no nonsense approach and desire to portray himself as still being the biggest dog in the yard.
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Post by beshocked Tue 30 Oct 2012, 8:22 am

Ozzy3123 I absolutely agree. Steve Diamond in my opinion is the problem.

I remember his time at Saracens. Diamond was atrocious and got sacked.

If I was Sale I would try and lure a coaching combo of Dave Ellis and Brian Ashton.

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