What if Sale lose tonight? - They did.

gregortree wrote:Redpath resigned from Glos before end of last season under dodgy circumstances just on the eve of Glos playing Sale, who had 'not' been speaking to.....as his Glos contract forbade it of course!
Glos then lost the last 4 games having been left leaderless.

New season: Redpath at Sale has now lost all 7.
His Cv is in tatters now, and he has not managed his coaching career very intelligently or successfully.

HongKongCherry wrote:

Hood83 wrote:I'm baffled as to how no matter how awful his selections, how inept his forwards, how inert his backs, Redpath still manages to squirm out of being the first person blamed.

I've asked the question before to Glos fans as to why they seemed to rate him. I was utterly unconvinced by the answers. Has he ever improved a single player, let alone team?

Coaches like Redpath are part of the problem with the Prem. We've got plenty of good young players but far too few top-rate coaches.

If you'd asked me back in May would I be defending Brush I'd have laughed at you! But I think that is a harsh view on his abilities. There is no doubt that he had taken Glaws as far as he could but during his tenure we had a season finishing 3rd and winning the LV, coupled with him reducing significantly the wage bill from Dean Ryan's spell.

Has he ever improved a player? I think you'd find it very difficult to argue that he didn't improve Burns, Sharples, May and Trinder all of whom were brought into the first team by Brush.

With the exception of Rob Cook all of Glaws' signings were made by Brush (and John Brain) and they all seem to be making a good impact upon the club. Likewise, as far as I understand Brush was involved in the signing of Paddy Anson for fitness coach. We lost 7 or 8 games last season when we were winning with less than 10 minutes to go. Brush recognised this and brought Anson in.

Would I want to go back to Brush? No, as I feel Nigel Davies is taking the club in a better direction, but then he is vastly more experienced at DoR level, whereas Brush is still a relative novice. I think peoples' perception of Sale last season was incorrect. They finished 6th, but taking aside the adage the table never lies, you have to say this was because Irish, Glaws and Bath massively underpeformed.

beshocked wrote:Ozzy3123 I absolutely agree. Steve Diamond in my opinion is the problem.

I remember his time at Saracens. Diamond was atrocious and got sacked.

If I was Sale I would try and lure a coaching combo of Dave Ellis and Brian Ashton.

yappysnap wrote:

Hood83 wrote:I'm baffled as to how no matter how awful his selections, how inept his forwards, how inert his backs, Redpath still manages to squirm out of being the first person blamed.

I've asked the question before to Glos fans as to why they seemed to rate him. I was utterly unconvinced by the answers. Has he ever improved a single player, let alone team?

Coaches like Redpath are part of the problem with the Prem. We've got plenty of good young players but far too few top-rate coaches.

Agree with this, the quality of coaching is well behind the quality of players at a lot of clubs. Redpath is a poor coach who's very good at saying the right thing to the press though, and everyone loves a coach who throws around words like pride, honesty and character. Much like Lancaster.

Hood83 wrote:

beshocked wrote:Ozzy3123 I absolutely agree. Steve Diamond in my opinion is the problem.

I remember his time at Saracens. Diamond was atrocious and got sacked.

If I was Sale I would try and lure a coaching combo of Dave Ellis and Brian Ashton.

He is part of the problem, but the biggest is Redpath. Diamond may have been atrocious at Sarries, he was also very good at Sale last year. Sale's pack, given its lack of size, was one of the best drilled in the league. I think he is, if nothing else, a decent forwards coach.

Redpath has taken a team that, admittedly benefitted from others poor form last year, added to it with some very decent signings and some absolute dross, and coached it into a relegation threatened team. He has, i hope, proven he is not up to Prem level DoR.

Hood83 wrote:

HongKongCherry wrote:

Hood83 wrote:I'm baffled as to how no matter how awful his selections, how inept his forwards, how inert his backs, Redpath still manages to squirm out of being the first person blamed.

I've asked the question before to Glos fans as to why they seemed to rate him. I was utterly unconvinced by the answers. Has he ever improved a single player, let alone team?

Coaches like Redpath are part of the problem with the Prem. We've got plenty of good young players but far too few top-rate coaches.

If you'd asked me back in May would I be defending Brush I'd have laughed at you! But I think that is a harsh view on his abilities. There is no doubt that he had taken Glaws as far as he could but during his tenure we had a season finishing 3rd and winning the LV, coupled with him reducing significantly the wage bill from Dean Ryan's spell.

Has he ever improved a player? I think you'd find it very difficult to argue that he didn't improve Burns, Sharples, May and Trinder all of whom were brought into the first team by Brush.

With the exception of Rob Cook all of Glaws' signings were made by Brush (and John Brain) and they all seem to be making a good impact upon the club. Likewise, as far as I understand Brush was involved in the signing of Paddy Anson for fitness coach. We lost 7 or 8 games last season when we were winning with less than 10 minutes to go. Brush recognised this and brought Anson in.

Would I want to go back to Brush? No, as I feel Nigel Davies is taking the club in a better direction, but then he is vastly more experienced at DoR level, whereas Brush is still a relative novice. I think peoples' perception of Sale last season was incorrect. They finished 6th, but taking aside the adage the table never lies, you have to say this was because Irish, Glaws and Bath massively underpeformed.

Hi HKC,

Hope that didn't seem a pop at you, i know we've argued the toss on this before. I do take the point on reducing the wage bill, but on those players who've improved under him, given how many seem to have gone backwards at the teams he's coached, i can't help but feel May, Sharples etc have improved in spite of him rather than because. Burns seems to have kicked on a lot this year under Davies and become more consistent (fingers crossed) the others are at an age when big improvements often come in a short space of time.

I think it's your last point that rings true most for me - Glaws massively underperformed last year. I know you say you had a season finishing 3rd, but you had a season finishing 1st under Ryan (i know there are wage bill issues).