Gloucester v Leicester

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Hopefully a cracker...

Some big match ups..

Waldrom v Morgan for the England 8 spot.
Flood v Burns
Twelvetrees v Allen

Also

Whats Sharples form like.
Parling

Lazy scrummaging by tigers, good by Glaws.

Glaws Lineout has fallen apart.

EnglishReign wrote:

thebluesmancometh wrote:Tigers get the England call ups, Glaws get all the tries

I'm confused, are Cole and Tuilagi and Flood and Morgan all dropped from the EPS then?

That's my point...

It is a ridiculous point though - ignoring season after season when Glaws have struggled.

Hmm - is he allowed to kick the ball out of the SHs hand?

Great defensive play by Glaws for the last 10 minutes.

Murphy looks like he's rattled Cole!!!

Cowan is behaving like a prize Holly Wilaboobie at times

One last chance

Why Tiger??

Repeated occasions of kicking the ball away - or pushing players over off the ball

hmm - could not take a lineout - surely had to be tap and go?

Well done glaws

Great game played in right spirit & passion!

Seen a couple of really decent games on sky today. Bath vs. Exeter was really enjoyable and this game topped it! The atmosphere seemed electric. Well done to both teams a lot of good rugby played.

Cumbrian wrote:Seen a couple of really decent games on sky today. Bath vs. Exeter was really enjoyable and this game topped it! The atmosphere seemed electric. Well done to both teams a lot of good rugby played.

Yes great entertainment.

I was going to be greedy & watch a third one but Leinster have already got a TBP after 20 mins against the Blues so I won't bother.

Sometimes after a game, you just don't mind losing. And for me that Gloucester game was one of them.

Great stuff both sides!

Good game, bit of a dog fight but to win and be down to 13 men at one point is very good.

I thought JP Doyle had a good game too. A few missed decisions but they went both ways. You can only hope for a fair-minded ref who mentally blocks out the crowd.

What great game and a great win for Gloucester. ...Rearly surprised that Leciester did not go in front when Gloucester went down to 13 men.

Absolutely cracking game of rugby. One of the best I've seen in ages.

Two sides really going for it and good to see some English players really stepping up.

Burns is always willing to give it a go and even if it doesn't always come off, it doesn't seem to faze him. Great temprament.

JSD was awesome. Such as exciting player to watch.

Some good powerful runs and passing from Tuilagi and Parling was imperious in the line-out. Twelvetrees was impressive too.

Youngs started a bit shakey but got better as with the line-out the game went on. Cole was his usual strong self in the scrum and a nuisance at the breakdown.

Kudos to Glaws for not buckling when they went down to 13. I don't think there were many who expected that result with 15 mins to go.

EnglishReign wrote:Tigers get the England call ups, Glaws get all the tries

Apologies for this stupid comment, gents. I was just messing though.

Alcohol abuse, nerves and excitement got the better of me!

Great game of rugby, sure you boys will repay the favour at Welford

EnglishReign wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:Tigers get the England call ups, Glaws get all the tries

Apologies for this stupid comment, gents. I was just messing though.

Alcohol abuse, nerves and excitement got the better of me!

Great game of rugby, sure you boys will repay the favour at Welford

Fair play! Hopefully pay back will come with interest...

Relative lack of call ups (lose 3 in AI: Sharples, Morgan, Hamilton) means that Glaws get to keep Burns, Billy36, Sinbad, Qera, Kalamafoni. Jonny May (when recovered).. We may lose Burns to EPS come the 6N. But I'm looking forward to Glaws' season.

greytiger wrote:I thought JP Doyle had a good game too. A few missed decisions but they went both ways. You can only hope for a fair-minded ref who mentally blocks out the crowd.

On the whole he did, wasn't happy about the ball being kicked out of scrum halves hands or our maul being collapsed illegally a couple of times. But to tell you the truth, I enjoyed the match and they probably deserved to win anyway so i'm not that fussed.

As I say nathan, you don't mind losing in a close exciting encounter if you can credit the opposition with a truly gutsy performance.

Burns' try was one to savour and applaud all day long.

gregortree wrote:Relative lack of call ups (lose 3 in AI: Sharples, Morgan, Hamilton) means that Glaws get to keep Burns, Billy36, Sinbad, Qera, Kalamafoni. Jonny May (when recovered).. We may lose Burns to EPS come the 6N. But I'm looking forward to Glaws' season.

Id be very dissapointed if Twelvetrees is not in the EPS in January aswell...

I say it every week...but how on earth is JSD not in the same status as Jason Robinson, Shane Williams etc...the guy should have been been one of Engands true greats....

Geordiefalcon JSD has been very unlucky with injuries. It's as if his body goes into meltdown every single time he gets an England call up.

Why didn't England call up Burns and Twelvetrees? I don't want to see them in the Gloucester squad.

beshocked wrote:Geordiefalcon JSD has been very unlucky with injuries. It's as if his body goes into meltdown every single time he gets an England call up.

Why didn't England call up Burns and Twelvetrees? I don't want to see them in the Gloucester squad.

Not allowed to be added to the EPS - unless you wanted them to replace the injured players - hookers, second row, back row and FB. the can however be added come Sunday as per int release window - but wont.

I thought Burns was very good- his try was superbly taken, and for some of his size, he does take some stopping when he decides to run. I like his tenacity.
Sharples was good, but JSD is just a complete class above. What an outstanding player he really is. I wish he was a little younger, and the injury-gods had been kinder.
Morgan I thought showed up well.
Twelvetrees was excellent, and I think his carrying has improved since his Leicester days? He was always strong, but he looked very strong with ball in hand this weekend.

Cole shone once more, in both the scrum and at the breakdown. What a player.
Youngs started bery shakey, but his lineout throws under pressure towards the end were perfect. He just needs the consistency. Gave away some silly penalties.
Parling was good too.

Excellent performance from Gloucester, nice one

No real complaints about that one, although I did feel that with glaws down to 13 men and with the relentless pressure Tigers were excerting, that they should have got more from the game.

Still, it was agreat match to watch, two sides really going at it, with some great performances from individuals on both sides. Tigers welcome Glaws to WR on the 29th December, revenge will hopefully be sweet ;-)

P.S. Listen fellow Tigers fans, we can't complain about J P missing Cowan kicking the ball back into the scrum, Tigers used to have on Neil Back playing for them, remember the 'hand of god' anyone.... ? ;-)

Jimpy wrote:No real complaints about that one, although I did feel that with glaws down to 13 men and with the relentless pressure Tigers were excerting, that they should have got more from the game.

We were far too manic during this stage. We needed more control of the emotions. However all credit to Glaws defence.

I took my adult daughter - her first AP game - she is from same Glos school as Sharples - St Peters. To help her follow her first game, I quietly gave her a running commentary of the ref calls. It struck me later that the ref must have signalled pretty well his various decisions, and mostly I actually got his hand signals, and passed the call on to my daughter. Plenty of refs are hard to read - evem for the players closest ! So fair play ref.
But I thought from the replay that the Leics try in the RH corner was grounded short - looked like a double movement on the big screen. Glos struggled with the Tigers maul, and lost Cowan and indirectly our FB arising from that pressure. Delighted with our backs.
As regards SINBAD, yes, v Shanesque world class runner, but totally unlucky with his England career and injuries.

Hamilton landed short then stretched his arm to ground the ball on the line. No double movement as nothing other than arm moved. TMO took a long time to decide as it was close.

LT, thanks, I thought he grounded the actual ball short, before extending his arm.. from the big screen replay.. (as I was sitting in the far diagonal side)
I'm not exactly sure on the Law on this, and as you say the TMO had to chew it over.

The ball did come down short - but you are allowed to reach with the arm so long as you do not shuffle the body (or at least you could when I reffed).

gregortree wrote:LT, thanks, I thought he grounded the actual ball short, before extending his arm.. from the big screen replay.. (as I was sitting in the far diagonal side)
I'm not exactly sure on the Law on this, and as you say the TMO had to chew it over.

Any part of the line (as painted) is the law, george.

How many tries have have been denied because of the slightest, miniscule contact of a boot on the touchline?

The general rule as I understand it is that the nearest appropriate edge of the line is the determining factor. So for instance in a restart the kicker clips the infield 10m line it is OK. If not, it's a scrum back.

I thought that that try was good. By about an inch. But enough.

Yeah I thought it was good (well I would say that) - but also poor defence by Sharples, which when linked with appearing to butcher an opportunity when he allowed Allen to overhaul him has made me wonder why he was deemed to have such a good game.

It was a definite double movement for me!

More seriously it was a fair try that we could have no complaints about. In general I thought the officials had a pretty decent game. They made a few mistakes, but they're always going to. Maybe Doyle wasn't harsh enough on Glaws for the side entries to the maul, but that's about it.

LondonTiger wrote:Yeah I thought it was good (well I would say that) - but also poor defence by Sharples, which when linked with appearing to butcher an opportunity when he allowed Allen to overhaul him has made me wonder why he was deemed to have such a good game.

If I was new to English rugby and someone told me that one of the Gloucester's wings was in the EPS I'd believe them, I'd only be surprised when they told me which one!

But you don't really care if the 'wrong' decisions don't seem to go predominantly one way HKC.

I had great respect for JP and is team for providing a great spectacle. Faulted but fair. C'est la norme preferable.

HongKongCherry wrote:It was a definite double movement for me!

More seriously it was a fair try that we could have no complaints about. In general I thought the officials had a pretty decent game. They made a few mistakes, but they're always going to. Maybe Doyle wasn't harsh enough on Glaws for the side entries to the maul, but that's about it.

For the most part I agree. The only bit that really got me was no penalty try when Gloucester pulled a maul down about a metre from the line. I don't think it affected the outcome as I'm pretty sure the penalty try from the scrum came within the next couple of phases. Nor do I want to have a go at Doyle specifically as it is all refs that seem to overlook this (and some don't even bother with the penalty, Doyle at least gave that). Makes me wonder though, how close does a maul need to go before they think a try would probably have been scored!!!? Is there some IRB directive that says they shouldn't give a penalty try for a collapsed maul? Of all the things refs could chose to be 'consistent' about....

Sinbad (not Sharples) on Glaws' left wing opposite Hamilton.
Someoen near me said Morgan tried to stop / get underneath Hamilton.
Not sure where Sinbad was at that moment.

Big wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Yeah I thought it was good (well I would say that) - but also poor defence by Sharples, which when linked with appearing to butcher an opportunity when he allowed Allen to overhaul him has made me wonder why he was deemed to have such a good game.

If I was new to English rugby and someone told me that one of the Gloucester's wings was in the EPS I'd believe them, I'd only be surprised when they told me which one!

Older followers of rugby might recall the bulldozer reputation of Glaws and the slight, top-of-the-ground, flighty Tigers.

In the days was mud was prevalent on rugby pitches from December to mid-March.

Gregor, if you're talking about the Hamilton try then Sinbad had just tackled Tuilagi.

Sinbad (not Sharples) on Glaws' left wing opposite Hamilton. Someoen near me said Morgan tried to stop / get underneath Hamilton. Not sure where Sinbad was at that moment.

He stepped in on Manu who drew the man and passed.

Watching the game now, JP Doyle having a shocker. Several awful decisions and there were some cheap shots from Glaws in terms of late shoulder hits. Agree with the pludits on JSD he looks dangerous every time he gets the ball. Can't believe Burns isn't in the England squad he is in cracking form.