Mayweather may be forced to fight!

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Watching KOTV last night I heard that Floyd Mayweather Jr may be forced to make a big money fight in the near future. Apparently he owes 9 million dollars in taxes (amount differs depending on source), and due to his gambling and court cases, current finances may not cover this. Do you think it will lead to the fight we all want to see?

Manny 33 next year, Mayweather 35 next year.

Mayweather was not as mobile against Mosley and Manny got caught far too much against Marg, because he needed to rests from all his movement.

They also both rely heavily on speed which has never been associated with ageing boxers, don't be fooled by their respective ability neither are at the absolute peak of their powers.

Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mayweather or Pac are past their prime.
Mayweather being 34 means nothing. He's never been in a really demanding fight and looked excellent last time out. Slick defensive fighters like Mayweather can happily go on into their 40's. And Pac is coming off one of his most impressive wins and would be 33.

This fight will be made, it will be both fighters last hurrah, and will be more massive than it ever could have been. It's probably already been agreed.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mayweather or Pac are past their prime.
Mayweather being 34 means nothing. He's never been in a really demanding fight and looked excellent last time out. Slick defensive fighters like Mayweather can happily go on into their 40's. And Pac is coming off one of his most impressive wins and would be 33.

This fight will be made, it will be both fighters last hurrah, and will be more massive than it ever could have been. It's probably already been agreed.

What slick defensive boxer ever achieved much in his mid to late 30's let alone going into his 40's?

Mayweather seems to have lost a bit of foot speed as evidenced against Mosley while Pacquiao has arguably never been easier to hit as shown against Margarito.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mayweather or Pac are past their prime.
Mayweather being 34 means nothing. He's never been in a really demanding fight and looked excellent last time out. Slick defensive fighters like Mayweather can happily go on into their 40's. And Pac is coming off one of his most impressive wins and would be 33.

This fight will be made, it will be both fighters last hurrah, and will be more massive than it ever could have been. It's probably already been agreed.

When has Mayweather ever been rocked by a big right hand before like against Mosely?

If your about evidence then I dont know where your getting its thy have probably agreed to fight. All evidence points to the contrary. Unless you think that Mayweather has already signed up in disregard of his legal matters which havent been settled.

The last time Mayweather was fought was over a year ago. It would be 18 months since he set foot in a ring prior to a potential fight with Pacquaio. So how he looked in his last fight begins to lose relevancy when its so long ago. Calzaghe looked good in his last fight for instance.

If Mayweather does fight Pacquiao next an loses then there will be questions marks over his age and activity. If Pacquiao loses there will question marks over his focus and comittment. You dont want those kind of question marks and they were not as significant 2 years ago.

The fight would have been better 2 years ago when both fighters were younger, active and had no outside distractions. Just like it would be better now than in two years time.

Toney, Hopkins.

Apart from the 2nd round Mayweather looked great against Mosley.

When has Mayweather ever been rocked by a big right hand before like against Mosely?

Against Corley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtyDlsOO98A

Hopkins isn't a slick defensive fighter, he's a spoiler nowadays plain and simple
Toney has been past his best for a good ten years now and hasn't had a top level win in all that time either

He looked great against Mosley but still showed vulnerabilities we've not seen before, he's never planted his feet so much in a fight before and i'm not sure that was entirely down to design.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mayweather or Pac are past their prime.
Mayweather being 34 means nothing. He's never been in a really demanding fight and looked excellent last time out. Slick defensive fighters like Mayweather can happily go on into their 40's. And Pac is coming off one of his most impressive wins and would be 33.

This fight will be made, it will be both fighters last hurrah, and will be more massive than it ever could have been. It's probably already been agreed.

Absolutely agree. Roy Jones Jr looks better and better with each outing. I'm surprised Sweet Pea decided to retire. Fountain of Youth keeps extending it's client list...

If Mayweather does fight Pacquiao next an loses then there will be questions marks over his age and activity. If Pacquiao loses there will question marks over his focus and comittment. You dont want those kind of question marks and they were not as significant 2 years ago.

If they fought 2 years ago there would be question marks about Manny fighting at such a high weight and about Mayweathers inactivity.

BALTIMORA wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mayweather or Pac are past their prime.
Mayweather being 34 means nothing. He's never been in a really demanding fight and looked excellent last time out. Slick defensive fighters like Mayweather can happily go on into their 40's. And Pac is coming off one of his most impressive wins and would be 33.

This fight will be made, it will be both fighters last hurrah, and will be more massive than it ever could have been. It's probably already been agreed.

Absolutely agree. Roy Jones Jr looks better and better with each outing. I'm surprised Sweet Pea decided to retire. Fountain of Youth keeps extending it's client list...

What's Roy Jones got to do with anything?

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

If Mayweather does fight Pacquiao next an loses then there will be questions marks over his age and activity. If Pacquiao loses there will question marks over his focus and comittment. You dont want those kind of question marks and they were not as significant 2 years ago.

If they fought 2 years ago there would be question marks about Manny fighting at such a high weight and about Mayweathers inactivity.

Having just beaten Cotto?

Hopkins isn't a slick defensive fighter

Yes he is.

The Mighty Atom wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

If Mayweather does fight Pacquiao next an loses then there will be questions marks over his age and activity. If Pacquiao loses there will question marks over his focus and comittment. You dont want those kind of question marks and they were not as significant 2 years ago.

If they fought 2 years ago there would be question marks about Manny fighting at such a high weight and about Mayweathers inactivity.

Having just beaten Cotto?

Yes, having beaten Cotto at a catchweight.

Mid to late 2009 round abouts the time Mayweather had beaten Marquez and Pacquiao had beaten Cotto would have been ideal for me. Many people though the Mayweather v Marquez fight was a tune up of sorts for Mayweather to face Pacquiao after. I dont think there were too many doubters of Pacquiaos prowess after he destroyed Hatton at 140 and De la Hoya at 147 looking as good as he did at the higher weights but any doubts were removed after he comprehensively beat Cotto.

Basically the longer they go without fighting the worse it will be for me and the more doubts get raised over the respective fighters.

We already have Mayweathers legal and financial issues, we have Roach grumbling about Pacquiaos training and focus etc due to his other committments. Its only going to increase and it would be a shame if the did actually happen that the outcome and circumstances became such a big issue.

Hopkins hasn't been a slick fighter for years now, he is now a spoiler who disrupts his opponents gameplan

The Cotto fight was at 145lbs not exactly a big deal when considering a fight against a former super featherweight at Welterweight

We've heard it all before with WK and Haye. However, like magic, when it's announced no one cares about the last couple years.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mayweather or Pac are past their prime.
Mayweather being 34 means nothing. He's never been in a really demanding fight and looked excellent last time out. Slick defensive fighters like Mayweather can happily go on into their 40's. And Pac is coming off one of his most impressive wins and would be 33.

This fight will be made, it will be both fighters last hurrah, and will be more massive than it ever could have been. It's probably already been agreed.

Absolutely agree. Roy Jones Jr looks better and better with each outing. I'm surprised Sweet Pea decided to retire. Fountain of Youth keeps extending it's client list...

What's Roy Jones got to do with anything?

Well I just figured since we were talking about fighters with slick defensive skills who only improve with age...

The Mighty Atom wrote:Hopkins hasn't been a slick fighter for years now, he is now a spoiler who disrupts his opponents gameplan

The Cotto fight was at 145lbs not exactly a big deal when considering a fight against a former super featherweight at Welterweight

Hopkins does spoil, but he is both very slick and very defensive.

And Pac fighting the P4P supremo at 147 lbs when he'd never fought at the weight would have been a very big deal.

BALTIMORA wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mayweather or Pac are past their prime.
Mayweather being 34 means nothing. He's never been in a really demanding fight and looked excellent last time out. Slick defensive fighters like Mayweather can happily go on into their 40's. And Pac is coming off one of his most impressive wins and would be 33.

This fight will be made, it will be both fighters last hurrah, and will be more massive than it ever could have been. It's probably already been agreed.

Absolutely agree. Roy Jones Jr looks better and better with each outing. I'm surprised Sweet Pea decided to retire. Fountain of Youth keeps extending it's client list...

What's Roy Jones got to do with anything?

Well I just figured since we were talking about fighters with slick defensive skills who only improve with age...

Roy Jones is hardly a defensive fighter is he?

Hopkins has never been particularly slick, he's skilled but you could never describe him as being a slick defensive fighter

How well did the likes of Pep, Whitaker, Jones do once they reached their early 30's?

Having effectively fought Cotto and De La Hoya at the weight destroying both wouldn't made fighting Mayweather there a big deal in the slightest

Roy Jones Jr used his speed and agility to provide his defence. He's lost that slickness. Ergo he's not as good as he was. Just because his style wasn't an overtly defensive one, doesn't mean he didn't rely on some of the same attributes as Mayweather.

Jones was ridicously slick and almost impossible to touch during his pomp, if he doesn't fit the bill then no one does

The Mighty Atom wrote:Jones was ridicously slick and almost impossible to touch during his pomp, if he doesn't fit the bill then no one does

Thank you. I knew it wasn't me.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:We've heard it all before with WK and Haye. However, like magic, when it's announced no one cares about the last couple years.

I dont think this so at all. Theres still a measure of skepticism and cynacism attached to the fight. Some people wont believe it until the two are actually in the ring. I think that fight was overcooked but not to the same extent and the circumstances are different. For me it should have happened last year and you can bet if the opponent was Vitali people would be pointing his age as a factor.

For superfights you dont need a large amount build up. I prefer to see them happen when both guys are on a collision course after good wins. I dont see how Mayweather being on an 18 month hiatus from the sport and Pacquiao getting a rep for taking soft options does anything to help the fight.

Its a superfight so it sells itself. It definately doesnt need years in the making.

I dont think any possible revenues will be significantly affected but I certainly dont think its building any additional interest at this stage.

No one started believing in Pac at the higher weights until he beat Cotto. Everyone thought ODLH was weight drained (which he was) and that Hatton was a bit shot after Mayweather (which he was). 2 years back no one gave Manny a chance. All we heard was that a good big 'un would always beat a good little 'un and the betting odds reflected this.

BALTIMORA wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Jones was ridicously slick and almost impossible to touch during his pomp, if he doesn't fit the bill then no one does

Thank you. I knew it wasn't me.

He was very slick but not at all defensive. That means he was not a slick defensive fighter.

But we're talking after Cotto though aren't we, as far as the betting odds are concerned feel Mayweather will always be slightly favoured

Re: the 'good big 'un beats a good little 'un'-exactly how much bigger WAS Cotto for that fight? I think this size thing is overplayed.

The Mighty Atom wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

If Mayweather does fight Pacquiao next an loses then there will be questions marks over his age and activity. If Pacquiao loses there will question marks over his focus and comittment. You dont want those kind of question marks and they were not as significant 2 years ago.

If they fought 2 years ago there would be question marks about Manny fighting at such a high weight and about Mayweathers inactivity.

Having just beaten Cotto?

That wasn't two years ago.

Like I said all along it should have happened March 2010, last year, or even in the summer.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Jones was ridicously slick and almost impossible to touch during his pomp, if he doesn't fit the bill then no one does

Thank you. I knew it wasn't me.

He was very slick but not at all defensive. That means he was not a slick defensive fighter.

Did IQs drop sharply or something? He was slick, and while not of the same style as Mayweather, his defence DID rely on his being slick, quick and agile. Just like Mayweather's.

manos de piedra wrote:Mid to late 2009 round abouts the time Mayweather had beaten Marquez and Pacquiao had beaten Cotto would have been ideal for me. Many people though the Mayweather v Marquez fight was a tune up of sorts for Mayweather to face Pacquiao after. I dont think there were too many doubters of Pacquiaos prowess after he destroyed Hatton at 140 and De la Hoya at 147 looking as good as he did at the higher weights but any doubts were removed after he comprehensively beat Cotto.

Basically the longer they go without fighting the worse it will be for me and the more doubts get raised over the respective fighters.

We already have Mayweathers legal and financial issues, we have Roach grumbling about Pacquiaos training and focus etc due to his other committments. Its only going to increase and it would be a shame if the did actually happen that the outcome and circumstances became such a big issue.

Pacquiao looked too good against Cotto, that was the problem.

Its common sense that the body begins to slow down and age. Hopkins is very much the exception and even he will have no problem telling you that his engine, speed and sharpness are not what they were. He refers to himself as an old man in almost every interview. His success is down to a great brain for the sport and ability to adjust. He can win rounds fighting for only a minute in each round and conserving himself.

Nobodys saying Mayweather will hit 35 and become a bad fighter overnight, or fall from grace a spectacularly as Jones. Even at 35 he will still probably be a top 2 fighter. But the point is hes getting old and with that his physical attributes will diminish. He wont be as good as he was and will continue to steadily get worse.

We're having a pleasant debate D4 lets not go down the same old road again

Put it this way, Jones was more of a slick defensive fighter than Hopkins is

Are some on here seriously trying to say that Roy Jones was a defensive fighter?

I've heard it all now. What next, Ricky Hatton was a slick defensive fighter?

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Are some on here seriously trying to say that Roy Jones was a defensive fighter?

I've heard it all now. What next, Ricky Hatton was a slick defensive fighter?

Are you a mental case? Read what's been written.

So how often was Jones hit cleanly then?

He wasn't primarily a defensive fighter but nor is Hopkins however his defence was as slick as slick could be

The Mighty Atom wrote:So how often was Jones hit cleanly then?

He wasn't primarily a defensive fighter but nor is Hopkins however his defence was as slick as slick could be

Exactly. Unlike Hatton, who relied on bulldozing his opponents. Look at Ali - same situation as RJJ. Slowed down, took punishment. It's really not a difficult equation to grasp, although some on here apparently would argue otherwise.

BALTIMORA wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Are some on here seriously trying to say that Roy Jones was a defensive fighter?

I've heard it all now. What next, Ricky Hatton was a slick defensive fighter?

Are you a mental case? Read what's been written.

OK, just for you for simpletons.

Defensive fighter.

Fights off the back foot, draws opponent forward. Uses defence to avoid punches, and then counters. Just like Hopkins, Toney and Mayweather.

Offensive fighter.

Fight off the front foot, forcing the fight. Like Roy Jones.

Christ...Roy Jones a defensive fighter...what next.

If Mayweather does fight again it won't be against Pacquiao, or Martinez or even Cotto.

My money would be on Alexander.

Thank god you're back D4. Some of these guys make you look like a genius.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Thank god you're back D4. Some of these guys make you look like a genius.

I am I genius

Jukebox - how hard can it be to understand what myself and a couple others were saying?

Jones relied on being slick.

When he slowed down, he started to ship more punishment.

Just because he fought in an offensive manner, doesn't mean he didn't rely on SPEED AND AGILITY for his defense.

Christ almighty.

I don't mind the 'slick' comparison as long as people admit they've been retarted saying that Roy Jones was a defensive fighter.

Mayweather fought like that against Mosley didn't he of course?

Jones had a slick defence, using his speed and reflexes to avoid punches

Hopkins does not have a slick defence, he spoils and relies on disrupting his opponent

By definition no boxer can be primarily defensive or they would never win, no matter how good you are defensively you must use your offence to win

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Toney, Hopkins.

Apart from the 2nd round Mayweather looked great against Mosley.

Toney is a fat old man. Hopkins is still going due to the limited strength in LHW.

This is Floyd fighting Pacquiao - the best fighter on the planet that isn't Floyd Mayweather. Not some green rookie who throws consistently wide punches. Nor some fat old man who was never a contender anyway.

Genuinely - Floyd hasn't looked nearly as good since he came back and WILL be rusty. If manny is caught 238 times by a carthorse like Margarito, what could Floyd do?

And what's this nonsense about us "not being sure if Manny could deal with a WW"? Manny's been rehydrating to ~147 since ODLH!

If this is a "ploy" to gain interest, its a stupid one.

In response to your earlier post - those Eng football fans exemplify the sort of customer the fight will no longer draw. They saw Hatton-Floyd. ~1 year on, Manny starches Hatton better. As such - they naturally think - what about Manny-Floyd. They look in their sun-back-pages - only to see the headline "Manny-Floyd fight breaks down over drugtesting" or "manny-floyd breaks down because Floyd isn't interested in boxing right now".

So they forget about the fight.

We all accept that if the fight happens - all the boxing world will pay the PPV fee. But the "casual" fans have been diminished by this farce.

Finally - I'm meant to be debating public health and I don't want to have to start deleting your posts. If you can't debate without throwing insults around - don't bother.

The Mighty Atom wrote:We're having a pleasant debate D4 lets not go down the same old road again

Put it this way, Jones was more of a slick defensive fighter than Hopkins is

How's that pleasant debate going?

OK. General warning.

Play nicely or the thread gets locked. Stop trying to wind up other posters, start debating.

God almighty let's settle this.

Would you describe Roy Jones jr's style, in his prime, as defensive or offensive.

One word, offensive or defensive.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:I don't mind the 'slick' comparison as long as people admit they've been retarted saying that Roy Jones was a defensive fighter.

You should possibly read what people have actually written before jumping in feet first

Saying Jones had slick defensive skills doesn't equate to 'Jones being a defensive fighter'