Lloyd Williams - Worst performance from a 9 in a generation?

His efforts vs Leinster were certainly a major highlight for me. Abysmal defence, going through several phases NOT present at scrum half, appearing at fly half and also throwing dire passes.

How much influence does pappa Brynmor have over selection???

Gareth Davies is the in form 9 I'm Wales. What has Lloyd Williams done?

Don't get me started on Lloyd Williams...

Most overated 9 in Rabo and Avivva !

To be honest I thought it was quite funny that Scrum V pointed out how he was out of position constantly, yet never mentioned how Gareth Davies was the best player on the feild in Murrayfield (Not MOM as the scots chose their fly-half for winning them the game with pens - cough)

That said he is in the welsh squad, so hopefully for his, Wales, and the Blues sake he will be taken aside by Howley and be igven a few pointers. After all he will most likely be the bench option for the Welsh side as he is a different style to Phillips (Where as Knoyle is very similar).

ScarletSpiderman wrote: After all he will most likely be the bench option for the Welsh side as he is a different style to Phillips (Where as Knoyle is very similar).

Gawd help us then.

Him and Knoyle are the worst in Wales right now. Gareth Davies and Rhodri (Llandovery) are the form choices. The latter aren't in contention for Wales while the former are picked. Bad times coming our way I think. Let's just hope Phillips doesn't get cropped.

Surly Jonny Evans is one of the inform 9's in Wales.
Only 20 and HEA looking like the Dragons best player week in week out.

Very fast service, looks to break and is strong defensively.
I was shocked he didn't get a call up.

Yes you are spot on. Add Jon Evans to that form list, can't believe I forgot about him. To add to the Blues woes though, their replacement Lewis Jones looks quite bad aswell! Should the Blues or Dragons be looking to get somebody like Tom Habberfield on their books? He might not get a look-in for a while (but on current form could easily take the place of Webb).

Yup I think Evans should have been in with a shout - Davies very good, but hasn't played many games for Scarlets, but will def be in the Wales set up at some point in the near future.

Not sure about the calls for Rhodri, yes he's burning it up at semi-pro level for 'Dovery but looked pretty poor for the Scarlets last season when given a chance and hasn't even played a regional game yet this season.

It's a shame that Martin Roberts moved to England.

He looked promising and the type of player we could use off the bench.

Roberts is a good player, he did have a bad case of the Matt Dawson's Disease, where he would stamp his feet and scream and shout about things, as opposed to just getting on with the game. That said I think he would be a real help to the Blues at the moment as Lloyd doesn't seem too good, that said Roberts would be of use to the Scarlets at the moment as we don't seem to have anyone who wants to talk tot he ref.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Roberts is a good player, he did have a bad case of the Matt Dawson's Disease, where he would stamp his feet and scream and shout about things, as opposed to just getting on with the game. That said I think he would be a real help to the Blues at the moment as Lloyd doesn't seem too good, that said Roberts would be of use to the Scarlets at the moment as we don't seem to have anyone who wants to talk tot he ref.

Webb has an extreme case of this

gowales wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Roberts is a good player, he did have a bad case of the Matt Dawson's Disease, where he would stamp his feet and scream and shout about things, as opposed to just getting on with the game. That said I think he would be a real help to the Blues at the moment as Lloyd doesn't seem too good, that said Roberts would be of use to the Scarlets at the moment as we don't seem to have anyone who wants to talk tot he ref.

Webb has an extreme case of this

Your confusing Webb and Biggar. Webb wears nine and Biggar wears ten.

maestegmafia wrote:

gowales wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Roberts is a good player, he did have a bad case of the Matt Dawson's Disease, where he would stamp his feet and scream and shout about things, as opposed to just getting on with the game. That said I think he would be a real help to the Blues at the moment as Lloyd doesn't seem too good, that said Roberts would be of use to the Scarlets at the moment as we don't seem to have anyone who wants to talk tot he ref.

Webb has an extreme case of this

Your confusing Webb and Biggar. Webb wears nine and Biggar wears ten.

No Webb, Biggar does it as well though.
I can't remember which game, but this season there was a perfect example of Webb doing it where it lead to a try to the opposition. I think it was one of the first 3 games.

gowales wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

gowales wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Roberts is a good player, he did have a bad case of the Matt Dawson's Disease, where he would stamp his feet and scream and shout about things, as opposed to just getting on with the game. That said I think he would be a real help to the Blues at the moment as Lloyd doesn't seem too good, that said Roberts would be of use to the Scarlets at the moment as we don't seem to have anyone who wants to talk tot he ref.

Webb has an extreme case of this

Your confusing Webb and Biggar. Webb wears nine and Biggar wears ten.

No Webb, Biggar does it as well though.
I can't remember which game, but this season there was a perfect example of Webb doing it where it lead to a try to the opposition. I think it was one of the first 3 games.

Against Glasgow when the Ospreys had a ruck five metres from their own line and the Glasgow prop kicked the ball out of Webbs' hands in front of the ref and the ref didn't see it....?

Webb was at fault for not concentrating on the game, but it is hardly circumstance for you to appropriate your claims. I can't think of any other examples coming close to Webb protesting at referee's in the same vein as Martin Roberts, can you? Roberts was famous for being told by Nigel Owens "you are not the referee, I am, any more from you and you'll go off!"

You love Webb so i won't bother.

IMO that try was his fault. You play to the reffs whistle, i've been told that since i started playing competitive sport.
I've seen him do it before as well.

Not as much as Roberts mind.

But it doesn't really matter though by the nature of my first post you could probably tell that i was having a bit of a laugh.

gowales wrote:You love Webb so i won't bother.

IMO that try was his fault. You play to the reffs whistle, i've been told that since i started playing competitive sport.
I've seen him do it before as well.

Not as much as Roberts mind.

But it doesn't really matter though by the nature of my first post you could probably tell that i was having a bit of a laugh.

No it was definitely not clear you were having a laugh. A wind up maybe...?

No.

I over exaggerated it but i do think that he shouts and scream too much.

Webb was at fault for Tuilagi's 2nd try too. RW as vastly off form.

What about Mauro Bergamasco in the Six Nations a few years ago?

Whilst trailing through old threads i found these comments.

https://www.606v2.com/t18591p100-definite-starters-for-lions-2013?highlight=Lions+2011


Re: Definite starters for Lions 2013
by swooptoconquer on Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:26 pm

lloyd williams at 9 . get down the bookies


Re: Definite starters for Lions 2013
by wales606 on Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:33 pm

swooptoconquer wrote:
lloyd williams at 9 . get down the bookies

+1

In Wales606 defence when Williams was playing in the academy against weaker opposition he looked mighty impressive, as did Tom James.

thebluesmancometh wrote:

In Wales606 defence when Williams was playing in the academy against weaker opposition he looked mighty impressive, as did Tom James.

That comment was made during the RWC. He was playing very well for the Blues in 2011.

I think Lloyd Williams got into the welsh squad too easily. He benifitted from Richie Rees' slump in form.
Did anyone see Johnny Evans' performance for the dragons vs the ospreys? Now that was a true shocker. In fairness I rate Evans, but his distribution to poor Robling was shocking. How many balls did Lewis take around his ankles. This led to 2 charge-down kicks, one of which resulted in a try.

Yes saw that and I definitely agree with you. Evans is a very good player, we expect better of him and rarely see such a poor performance.

maestegmafia wrote:

thebluesmancometh wrote:

In Wales606 defence when Williams was playing in the academy against weaker opposition he looked mighty impressive, as did Tom James.

That comment was made during the RWC. He was playing very well for the Blues in 2011.

Yep, at the time he was playing very well and a lot were calling on him to start for Wales.

At one point he was actually capable of passing quickly and making the right decision, but he hasn't been anywhere near that for more than a year.

His current complete slump in any form he had left seems to be pretty dire and to be honest, I would be surprised if he ever returns to how he was playing when trying to compete with Rees for a starting spot.

I doubt he will be capped again, and may well drift into the background at the Blues too if he can't find form and we can actually find a decent SH somewhere.

The Blues are in dire need of a new SH. We loaned Rob Lewis back to London Welsh (where he is considered good enough to start in a team that are 10th in the AP, compared to the Blues 8th in the P12) without being given a chance. Lloyd Williams is banned and playing worse than Mauro Bergamasco. Lewis Jones is decent but that is about it, his box kicking is dire and his defence and passing is pretty average.

What I wouldn't give for Ruan Pienaar....

Dont fret, Howley will look after his own.
He will be on that Lions plane, unfortunatly.

Like his dad..
Bryns boy for LIONS !

wales606 wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

thebluesmancometh wrote:

In Wales606 defence when Williams was playing in the academy against weaker opposition he looked mighty impressive, as did Tom James.

That comment was made during the RWC. He was playing very well for the Blues in 2011.

Yep, at the time he was playing very well and a lot were calling on him to start for Wales.

At one point he was actually capable of passing quickly and making the right decision, but he hasn't been anywhere near that for more than a year.

His current complete slump in any form he had left seems to be pretty dire and to be honest, I would be surprised if he ever returns to how he was playing when trying to compete with Rees for a starting spot.

I doubt he will be capped again, and may well drift into the background at the Blues too if he can't find form and we can actually find a decent SH somewhere.

The Blues are in dire need of a new SH. We loaned Rob Lewis back to London Welsh (where he is considered good enough to start in a team that are 10th in the AP, compared to the Blues 8th in the P12) without being given a chance. Lloyd Williams is banned and playing worse than Mauro Bergamasco. Lewis Jones is decent but that is about it, his box kicking is dire and his defence and passing is pretty average.

What I wouldn't give for Ruan Pienaar....

Well hopefully he finds form on his return, a few weeks out the game might give him good time for reflection.

Who is in the academy at scrum half?

manofgwent wrote:I think Lloyd Williams got into the welsh squad too easily. He benifitted from Richie Rees' slump in form.
Did anyone see Johnny Evans' performance for the dragons vs the ospreys? Now that was a true shocker. In fairness I rate Evans, but his distribution to poor Robling was shocking. How many balls did Lewis take around his ankles. This led to 2 charge-down kicks, one of which resulted in a try.

Well said, he also could not keep his mouth shut to give the Ospreys 10m for Biggar to have a shot at goal! I think he will learn and improve.