Respect the kicker, start respecting the crowd.

by Guest Mon 29 Oct 2012, 18:11

First topic message reminder :

Tom Court got all puffy chested after scoring his try for Ulster against Dragons, (clearly over the manshaming England handed him in the six nations)
and told the crowd to sshh!!
Now this makes my blood boil ,seen players like Gareth Edwards score individual trys of brilliance then get up shrug off the pats on his back and jog back to his own half looking at the floor not only shows great humility but it also shows real Rugby sportsmanship.

If i was a coach and a player of mine did anything to toward the crowd that showed disrespect i would tear a strip out of his ego and remind him of what we are all about.

What do you guys think?

by **rodders** Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:09

Risca Rev wrote:Bit of a difference between a back doing it and a supposedly gnarly prop forward acting "footballesque" though, but there you go.

Really? So if Bowe had of done it you'd be happy enough?

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:13

When has Phillips gestured to the crowd. This is starting to have a sense of irish are whiter than white again. We don't boo kicks our crowds are lovely horlicks. I don't mean to tar all of one nation with the same brush. If you can't see the difference between court celebration and others there is something wrong

by Big Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:15

For those interested in this thread - have you come across the Mike Pyke Nonchalant Try Scoring Award??

See,

http://theeastterrace.com/pyke.shtml

http://theeastterrace.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/12/wilkinson-awarded-lifetime-mike-pike-nonchalant-try-scoring-award.html

and

http://theeastterrace.typepad.com/my_weblog/2012/06/mike-pyke-award-for-julian-savea.html

They are spot on in my opinion!

by Portnoy's Complaint Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:15

Ulstermen filling the ground with the refrain of Swing Low whilst crushing Leicester last season was funny.

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:16

That was amusing! Smile

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:16

Risca : I think it would have brought around the same reaction had bowe done it.

by SecretFly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:20

sheephead wrote:When has Phillips gestured to the crowd. This is starting to have a sense of irish are whiter than white again. We don't boo kicks our crowds are lovely horlicks. I don't mean to tar all of one nation with the same brush. If you can't see the difference between court celebration and others there is something wrong

Not everyone can be Welsh, I'm afraid. So we'll settle for being wrong, I guess. Wink

by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:22

I'll be honest, I am beyond caring about it now. I would think whoever did it was a bit twp at the time aye. Over exuberance isn't so bad like your swallow dives etc but that shush thing is pretty daft.

Anyway, like I say I'm beyond caring about it so will leave it there.

by red_stag Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:23

Sheephead - there are no Irish people saying its OK for Court to give the shush shush thing. Everyone admints that Court acted the twink. We all agree on that.

However showboating is showboating whether its Tom Court or Shane Williams.

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:27

Secret: love it. Welsh? Assumptions will make an even bigger ar#e of you.

Red: not having a go at showboating. Like you said everyone does it. There is a difference between that and actively trying to belittle the crowd

by MrsP Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:27

So,

In summary,

It isfine to act like a bit of an eejit after scoring a try only if you are

(1) Welsh
(2) A back
(3) Have scored very late in the match
(4) It is a cup match.

You must clearly satisfy at least 3 of the above criteria to avoid having your antics castigated on this forum!

by red_stag Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:29

sheephead wrote:Secret: love it. Welsh? Assumptions will make an even bigger ar#e of you.

Red: not having a go at showboating. Like you said everyone does it. There is a difference between that and actively trying to belittle the crowd

Yes and Court admitted there he was a silly boy. We admitted the same. He apologised and yet we are still discussing this as you said we are trying to make out we are whiter than white.

I don't see the issue.

by **rodders** Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:29

Exactly stag :horlicks:

by SecretFly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:33

sheephead wrote:Secret: love it. Welsh? Assumptions will make an even bigger ar#e of you.

Irish - Wrong - And an Ar#e? It ain't my day!!!!!

by Portnoy's Complaint Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:35

But an incident may encapsulate and emphasise a symptom which may be evidence of an illness.

The Court shush and the Ashton splash are symptoms of what is possibly an underlying sickness.
So worthy of discussion imo.

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:39

rodders wrote:I take the OP and his deputies feel the same way every time Mike Phillips does his footballesque try celebrations? Shane Williams must be loathed in Wales for his dramatic swallow dives and front rolls, good job they both got outta town!!

Alfie invented the mo-bot in the act of scoring so I assume he's a wanted man too? Scott Gibbs for the fist in the air before scoring at Wembley?

To be fair to Alfie and Scott there was no twitter to apologise back then I suppose...

Fair play lads for not letting it go!I say round em up and hang 'em high!

The above quote and secret im referring to. In all fairness it doesn't happen very often. Youngs and this are the only ones that stick in mind. Im trying to point out they are not the same as other celebrations.

Secret: you've lost me

by sirtidychris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:43

Everyone does the ash splash, and has been doing it for years, breyton paulse used to do back flips ! People just have a problem with ashton.

by SecretFly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:46

Only problem is though, sirtidy - this thread isn't about him.

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:49

Ashtons dive isn't that bad. He went up im my opinion when mr t popped him and he didn't go down =D

Secret: Im fairly certain you're irish. Im just saying im not welsh =)

by MrsP Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:49

The problem for me with the "Ash Splash" is that it is done before the try is scored. Now, when it's Chris Ashton it is mildly irritating but if one of my lot try it I will be furious.

Get the bloomin ball down before you even think about looking like a Welsh back scoring in the 81st minute of the HEC Final!!!!!!!

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:50

Ashtons dive isn't that bad. He went up im my opinion when mr t popped him and he didn't go down =D

Secret: Im fairly certain you're irish. Im just saying im not welsh =)

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:52

Mrs p: or an irish forward scoring a 3-4 mEter run in ey?

by SecretFly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 14:56

sheephead wrote:

Secret: Im fairly certain you're irish. Im just saying im not welsh =)

But you didn't need to be Welsh, sheephead, as this discussion is about Irish players verses Welsh players in showmanship and what it might mean to the opposition.
And given that Welsh showmanship was considered to be less offensive than Court's antics, then it's natural that's I'd say I'm sorry we can't be perfect, like the Welsh, who do no wrong and only celebrate. That's not directed at you, per say, but at the topic and the route it had taken.

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 31 Oct 2012, 15:00

sheephead wrote:Mrs p: or an irish forward scoring a 3-4 mEter run in ey?

I thought the two couldn't be compared? Headscratch

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 15:01

Secret: then please accept my apology. I've done " a mrs". Being taken a text out of context.

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 15:04

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
sheephead wrote:Mrs p: or an irish forward scoring a 3-4 mEter run in ey?

I thought the two couldn't be compared?

Geez these showmaship rules are getting difficult. Can someone write them down. Does shalk Brits get counted as a back too, he is light on his feet

by Portnoy's Complaint Wed 31 Oct 2012, 15:12

MrsP wrote:The problem for me with the "Ash Splash" is that it is done before the try is scored. Now, when it's Chris Ashton it is mildly irritating but if one of my lot try it I will be furious.

Get the bloomin ball down before you even think about looking like a Welsh back scoring in the 81st minute of the HEC Final!!!!!!!

One day I hope Ashton does feic one up.
However it'd be way worse if he grounded the ball securely, got up and did an enormous fist-wave and a shush followed by a humongous celebratory splash under the posts.

by SecretFly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 15:12

sheephead wrote:Secret: then please accept my apology. I've done " a mrs". Being taken a text out of context.

No need to apologise sheephead, I'm just enjoying this Showmanship etiquette thread, wherever it chooses to go! Smile

by sirtidychris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 15:55

Wasn't it one of the fernandez lobbe bro's who busted out a huge swandive for a walk in try only to drop it mid air....humble pie indeed ! Ol' Sam vesty started celebrating early a few games ago only to get caught and tackled...looked like a right twonk ! I don't mind a try celebration TBH but would prefer to see the ball on the ground first, and im not to sure about this digby Ioane break dancing malarky, a good old jason robinson punch ball into crowd then roar c.2003 final suits me.

by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 19:23

I hate Shane Williams acrobatics and every over the top try celebration as much as i hate players winding up the crowd with disrespectful actions.

But can i say i have a massive problem with Tom Court doing it and players along a similar caliber , Tom your crap! this is massively exposed when you play for Ireland and you can't hide behind hard South Africans and powerful Kiwis,
Even when Ashton does his splashton it angers me but i do think will he is actually quite a good finisher and good sportsmen earn some arrogance and can't be knocked for it.

But a player like Court makes an impact on a game for once and it goes to his head.

by neilthom7 Wed 31 Oct 2012, 20:26

Once we were playing a club game and this guy managed to break through I was playing Fullback and it was a race to the corner as we got close he presumably thought I was not close enough to stop him he tried to do this big swan dive I caught him in mid air and carried him into touch. He cost his team a try and I was extremely happy as it had annoyed me significantly with this action. Clearly his coach felt the same he was taken off 2 mins later and this was like 12 minutes in so I doubt that was part of the teams plans lol

by yappysnap Wed 31 Oct 2012, 21:16

Surely this is the way all tries should be celebrated...

Spoiler:

Now that is something to talk about!

by EnglishReign Wed 31 Oct 2012, 21:34

viewtothegym wrote:I hate Shane Williams acrobatics and every over the top try celebration as much as i hate players winding up the crowd with disrespectful actions.

But can i say i have a massive problem with Tom Court doing it and players along a similar caliber , Tom your crap! this is massively exposed when you play for Ireland and you can't hide behind hard South Africans and powerful Kiwis,
Even when Ashton does his splashton it angers me but i do think will he is actually quite a good finisher and good sportsmen earn some arrogance and can't be knocked for it.

But a player like Court makes an impact on a game for once and it goes to his head.

I like this post and wholeheartedly agree.

by **rodders** Wed 31 Oct 2012, 22:27

viewtothegym wrote:I hate Shane Williams acrobatics and every over the top try celebration as much as i hate players winding up the crowd with disrespectful actions.

But can i say i have a massive problem with Tom Court doing it and players along a similar caliber , Tom your crap! this is massively exposed when you play for Ireland and you can't hide behind hard South Africans and powerful Kiwis,
Even when Ashton does his splashton it angers me but i do think will he is actually quite a good finisher and good sportsmen earn some arrogance and can't be knocked for it.

But a player like Court makes an impact on a game for once and it goes to his head.

You know what view, I respect that post. Don't agree with your assessment of Court but at least you are consistent here.

Here have guinness

and get back to the bench pressing and squats.

by sheephead Wed 31 Oct 2012, 23:13

Yapp: that picture is brilliant. A laughed so hard a bit of wee came out.

by neilthom7 Thu 01 Nov 2012, 00:17

I think in fairness when Court plays for Ireland he nearly always plays on the wrong side of the scrum. However all of this annoys me, Toms was more stupid than some but still very annoying when people swan dive etc especially when you are playing against them. Score the try be happy, celebrate with teammates if you wish but don't be an arse and as for ashton etc they will screw it up one day I just hope I see it lol

by Guest Thu 01 Nov 2012, 18:23

Lol thanks rodders, Wink

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