Worst Welsh performance ever.

Where to start?? Nothing happened.

They did throw away a crucial lineout and scrum late on, that was a highlight.

What was Poland for? No desire and no ideas. So so so boring. Did Howley even do a half time team talk???

Maybe they haven't fully defrosted yet.

Haha that cheered me up.

Cheers Mccusker, threw away the possibility of a draw!

They need to stop going to Poland, that doesn't work anymore.

Wales were poor but don't take anything away from Argentina, they are a quality team.

Stephen Jones said Wales have world class backs before the match.

I didn't see division 5 east class.

Most pathetic effort I've seen.

Argentina were good, but that was the worst Wales have been since they were hammered by Australia in Cardiff a couple of years ago. Some poor selections, low levels of commitment... Just poor all around. I guess a team needs a wake up call every few years, but what is hugely worrying is the fact this came on Howley's first game in charge - coincidence..? Hmmm. So much got wrong.

Rusty, I'm sure.

Halfpenny looks like a Lions shoe-in, by far the stand out player for the otherwise disappointing Welsh. Positionally astute, secure under the high ball, accurate kicking from the tee and length from hand. A lethal attacking threat too, although hampered by the poor pitch at the MS.

Halfpenny cost both tries with missed tackles and didn't do much in attack.

Worst Welsh performance ever? No, not by a long shot. It was very, very bad with a total lack of passion and poor skills and decision making, but you clearly don't remember the 1990's and early 2000's.

HERSH wrote:They need to stop going to Poland, that doesn't work anymore.
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Yeah, Poland is soooo last year.

RogerLewis wrote:Halfpenny cost both tries with missed tackles and didn't do much in attack.

He was just done for pace. Anyone who had seen the tries put together by Argentina in the RC would realise how much pace they have and how effectively they can put them into space near the line.

anotherworldofpain wrote:Rusty, I'm sure.

Halfpenny looks like a Lions shoe-in, by far the stand out player for the otherwise disappointing Welsh. Positionally astute, secure under the high ball, accurate kicking from the tee and length from hand. A lethal attacking threat too, although hampered by the poor pitch at the MS.

But Kearney got the ERC player of the year last year so halfpenny's hardly a shoe-in.

Well the lions team has dramatically changed today

Was Wales real awful, or did Wales realy underestimate Argentina from the off.

How does leave Wales now with regard to the IRB rankins? Wan't Argentina below Wales before this game started?

And if so that means Argentina will now go above Wales and Wales go below Argentina right?

Wales were poor, yes. But the two injuries really hit them. No centre or second row on the bench so played the whole second half with a flanker at lock and an utility player who does not relish defence in the centre.

Where they go form here is the question, clearly they must pick a strong 15 against Samoa. Bradley Davies or Charteris on the bench, Tipuric and Phillips to start, hopefully Jon Davies and Ryan Jones will be fit.

Lets be honest for Wales that was a shocking day at the office. If Wales are not able to create gaps they have the power to smash through, today that simply didn't happen.

Truth be told there is no point blaming Gatland for not being there, the WRU for letting him do the Lions, Howley, or any individual players, we just have to accept it was a shocking day at the office and we know we can play a hell of a lot better than that.

At least it will make Welsh rugby reassess itself somewhat, we have been able to delude our selves into thinking were Grand Slam champions and that regional rugby didn't matter because Wales is whats important, well to be fair Argentina just blew that out of the window for us. Time for Wales to wake up now .

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:Rusty, I'm sure.

Halfpenny looks like a Lions shoe-in, by far the stand out player for the otherwise disappointing Welsh. Positionally astute, secure under the high ball, accurate kicking from the tee and length from hand. A lethal attacking threat too, although hampered by the poor pitch at the MS.

But Kearney got the ERC player of the year last year so halfpenny's hardly a shoe-in.

Well I thought 1/2p was a standout today amidst a well bettered Welsh side. Wales offered little on attack with Philips to reluctant to distribute and Priestland too keen to kick the ball away. Very little front foot ball was offered on attack and when it was, Wales went very lateral. 1/2p was making a lot of supporting runs but never received the ball. Defensively he was excellent and can't be held responsible for the two Argentinian tries that were caused by allowing the ball carrier to distribute in the tackle.

RogerLewis wrote:Halfpenny cost both tries with missed tackles and didn't do much in attack.

I am really puzzled by this comment. 1/2p was caught for pace and step for the first try, hardly his fault. For the second, i thought that he did excellently to get over and nearly prevent the try...

Views differ i guess

Howley and the players should be shot.

That's how NZ would feel if the all blacks played so pathetically.

RogerLewis wrote:Where to start?? Nothing happened.

They did throw away a crucial lineout and scrum late on, that was a highlight.

What was Poland for? No desire and no ideas. So so so boring. Did Howley even do a half time team talk???

If the game was realy that bad today. Would you say that no Welsh player on todays performance would make the Lions team. Including Sam Warburton ( who keeps being touted as captain ) for the Lions.

I didn't see much from Tupiric when he came on. I keep hearing him bigged up, but I've never seen anything from him.

No need to overreact or knock Wales too much. All teams have off days. But it is important to acknowledge that this is a seriously good Argentina team. As underrated as Wales may be overrated. They should've already had wins over SA and AUS this year. The loss should really not be seen as too shocking but rather a fair indication of the quality of the 6N compared to the RC. It remains easier to achieve a GS for a 6N team than beat one of the 3 (soon to be 4) SH teams.

This game was always going to be close even if Wales had been sharper. The BBC pundits got it completely wrong too. Even in defeat all Jones could say was 'we know Wales are berrer' and unfortunately failed to acknowledge Argentina. Before the game Guscott said this Wales team is good enough to regularly beat the big 3 SH teams. I agree that their record should be better than it is vs SA, AUS and NZ though.

Halfpenny looks class, really like him and Phillips is an important cog in the Wales team even if regularly criticizeonly fans. He brings the strike runners like North into the game which was lacking today. Shame Roberts went off early.

Was Wales so bad or Argentina actually decent...which I'll take the latter

I think people should stop saying player x is a shoe in for the lions etc. That tour is 8 odd months away and with quality players such as Kearney and Foden, it will be a hotly contested position.

Then again, whilst its only Fiji, Goode was very good today. He 10 experience gives back lines a 2nd receiver option, something England have lacked since Mike Catts retirement. if he continues to progress he will challenge Foden all the way and its something the lions would be interested in... Esp. since the centre pairings is likely to inc. no 2nd five eights.

Halfpenny kicked superbly and looked good going forward. He got caught out of position a number of times under the high ball in the first half.

Mid field defence was allways going to be a problem with Hook and Priestand in the 10, 12 channel.

Losing Jamie Roberts and in particular Alyn Wyn (although not having a good game) were huge blows for Wales as there were no suitable replacements on the bench.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Was Wales so bad or Argentina actually decent...which I'll take the latter

Absolutely Geordie I think Wales thought they were going to walk all over them.

For once I think I agree with Jerry Guscott.... Wales looked leaderless, Warbs is a class player and a good captain but there was no one screaming at the players a la O'Connell/Johnson and geeing them up.

Yes they underestimated the Argentinians but they looked like they didn't really want to be there... One positive was the young tighthead Jarvis who did well against Ayerza!

Halfpenny did not have a good game, in my view. He dropped the first high ball that came his way, kicked away possession with poor garryowens and slipped over a few times when running the bal (becoming a habit - someone get him some new boots) and got no hand on the runner for the first try. Still his kicking was perfect .

I agree with the comments about Warbs. Anyone should have been able to look up and see the Argie defense across the pitch. They should have been hitting it up the middle in twos and threes, sucking the defense in and then going wide. Knoyle was too slow at the breadown to distribute and when he did Priestland didn't know what to do with it.

All round a poor performance but Aaron Jarvis looked promising...

I do wonder how much rugby people have actually played or how much they actually watch it, when I read some of these posts.

Wales last played together on their June tour of australia, while a couple of weeks ago Argentina were finishing off the 4 Nations championship. 1 Team was full of players who have had 2 Rabo direct games to get match fitness after an off season while the other team is match fit and battle hardened. It's hardly suprising Wales weren't confident and firing on all cylanders while Argentina were dogged.

Best team won, don't dwell on it we have another game Friday.

eirebilly wrote:

RogerLewis wrote:Halfpenny cost both tries with missed tackles and didn't do much in attack.

I am really puzzled by this comment. 1/2p was caught for pace and step for the first try, hardly his fault. For the second, i thought that he did excellently to get over and nearly prevent the try...

Views differ i guess

100% agree with you eirebilly,
1/2p was not to blame for either try, loads of missed or poor tackles before 1/2p was the last line of defence. The first he had little chance to catch the 11 when he could have gone either side of him, and for the second Hook should have covered the outside line and 1/2p should have been covering the posts. Unfortunately he had to race across to attempt a tackle on the left wing which he did make a bloody good attempt

I didn't see Wales make a single line break.
I didn't see Wales make a single offload.
Clueless in attack, absolutely clueless.
As usual Priestland kicked any decent ball away.
What is Howley's record in charge by the way - has he lost every single game??
Very disappointed

All blacks will put 70 on Wales.

Poland is good for the muscles but bad for the brain. Can't think we need many Welsh in the Lions squad now.

Not the worst performance ever, but close. Absolutely clueless.

Nothing positive to say. No pace, no ball carriers, awful kicking, not one rugby brain in the side, not one offload until the 77th minute. Reminded me of the first test in Australia where they looked so under cooked - only this time they were even worse.

Well done Argentina, played well and are a very good team. Wales need a big rethink

WRU should never have allowed gatland all this time off with the lions. The team performed like a group who new the boss was away.

Also, it doesn't help wales expansive game that the roof is closed making the surface slippery.

Have to agree with the comments about Howley. He seems to be riding on Gatland's coat tails and lack any ideas of his own. He's just shuffling players.

Scrumdown wrote:Also, it doesn't help wales expansive game that the roof is closed making the surface slippery.

Funny how the grass wasn't as slippery when the Argentines stood on it, and anyway the Welsh weren't moving fast enough to slip!!

Warburton's blown his trumpet about a clean sweep this AIs. Back to the drawing board now. His bread is toast.

It's quite simple really, as I have been saying for many years Wales are a very poor side. Wooden spoon in 6N here it comes

Wales beaten at home by the side ranked 8th by the IRB. They have not lived up to their billing. Wales could be heading towards becoming a second tier nation.

They are second tier

It's always the same old story, when a team plays well and overcomes the opponent, then the other team seems it would have played very bad, it is always the same.
All that happened in this game is that Argentina played better than Wales, not allowed to develop their own game, then it seems and only seems that Wales played poorly.

Argie fan. I am not saying arg only won because Wal didn't play well, I am saying Wal are incapable of playing well as they are a very poor side. Well done on a very good performance.

When were any of the NH teams first tier anyway since about 2003, it's the Big 3 with now and again England and France popping in and out..

Argie Fan, Argentina fully deserved the win, but Wales played very poorly. Players who are not in good form were picked in the hope that they would pick up their game. They did not do so.

If this game had been in arg i would have accepted the result.....unfortunately a home game?? against the weekest of the 4n?? Its like SA getting beaten off Ireland........oh! hang on!?

according to the usual priest fans on here , biggar was supposed to be the one who would kick ball away!! joke !!

priestlands body language showed no confidence and once he was paired with hook in the middle, well they just ran through us.

people used to say sjones crabbed, well we were so lateral the argies could have got the knitting book out!

we had no idea, no controller, no plan B, and couldnt excecute plan A either!!!( was there a plan A ?)

no genuine current centre and no 2nd row replacement on the bench.

sjones when asked about warburton at half time said 'he would say a few words but obviously let howley do the talking'........sums it up, keep your mouth shut or ..........

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Re: Worst Welsh performance ever.
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Not the coach fault he has very little talent to work with