Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[mystiroakey]

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Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

Don't be a plank. There's nothing semantic in what I've said. You always say I'm arguing semantics when you don't get what I'm talking about!
You're right re. the spaghetti, butter and TK. It's not great but it's not as bad, nutritionally, as is being made out. As I said before, if they ate that occasionally, what's the issue? If they eat it every day? That's another matter.

its disgusting- the family is overweight.. they should not be eating that sort of food ever! the fact that they even ''like' that sort of food is a big problem.

the mother said she was raised on it!

That is there stock spaghetti dish!

Jamie oliver needs to be sent to that family- its an emergency i tell ya!

[incontinentia]

Thank god I'm an atheist

[pedro]

Isn't the catholic church in reality threatening the parish with all sorts of bad things if they don't behave. And isn't that what's called bullying and is otherwise forbidden?

[gaelgowfer]

Thank god I'm an atheist

[kwinigolfer]

Mac,
I know you enjoy your trips to the U.S. but, if Romney had won last week, the US would almost certainly have been one Supreme Court retirement/death, mostly likely Ruth Bader Ginsberg's, away from the appointment of a right wing idealogue and the repeal of "Roe vs Wade".
And that would have prohibited abortion in every State of the country, regardless of the circumstances of the conception.

Prehistoric viewpoints and reckless dismissal of concerns for the mother are certainly not confined to the Catholic Church, they're pretty pervasive in large chunks of the States (incl many on the PGA Tour, just to offer a golfing note) and a few "health care providers" have paid with their lives.

As it is, there's only one clinic providing abortion in Mississippi and they're trying like hell to shut that down.

[navyblueshorts]

...Never mind though, navyblueshorts doesn't believe anything I say either so, join the queue!...

Not true M'lady. We just happen to hold differing opinions on a number of things. I agree with (and therefore believe) quite a few of your comments....just not all of them!

[Diggers]

Well (according to wiki)......abortion due to r*** or incest is accepted in 49% of the worlds countries. In fact only 29% will allow abortion purely based on the choice of the woman, so America is actually very liberal compared to most of the world.
Its a crazy world.

[Diggers]

Why on earth would r*** be picked up by a swear filter ?

[navyblueshorts]

Thank god I'm an atheist

Well said!

[super_realist]

How could any sane country/government not allow it on that basis. We still live in a backward world.

[navyblueshorts]

Why on earth would r*** be picked up by a swear filter ?

Stupid isn't it?

[Diggers]

Actually strictly speaking the UK is not a country where its purely through a womans choice, you have to have a consultation with two doctors, though I guess its pretty much a given that consent will be granted.

[hend085]

Does anyone really think that the Irish people would vote to continue a ban on abortion if they were not totally indoctrinated in the teachings and mindset of the catholic church?

Yes- i think a referendum would be pretty close

[super_realist]

I think that's common sense Diggers, Doctors will talk through every operation with you to make sure you understand the risks etc, I don't think they can make you have the baby and I don't ever recall hearing about one being turned down providing it falls within the legal timescale.

[McLaren]

Kwini

I am not sure I would enjoy the trips so much if I visited the sort of states where repealing abortion laws would be a popular move. I cant even begin to understand the religious stance of most of the US. I am never sure what came first; the religious nutterdom to justify heavily judging others or the hateful right wing "punishing" of those who don't fit the mould.

Sadly either one seems to lead to the other.

[navyblueshorts]

Some people have too much money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20321921

My 3-year old daughter could probably come up with something a) better and b) just as "original".

[super_realist]

Fools and their money Navy.

Those guys are the biggest con artists going.

[kwinigolfer]

Diggers,
The law may or may not be "very liberal" right now, but it sure as hell would have gone back to antiquated practices and widespread compromising of women's rights if the Supreme Court ratchetted one more place to the right.

The difference in the US is that there's no social system to help the mother with an unwanted child . . . . . . .


Aruglia,
Welcome to 606v2; hopefully you'll join us on the Golf pages, not just the abortion section . . . . . . .

[pedro]

Mac,
I know you enjoy your trips to the U.S. but, if Romney had won last week, the US would almost certainly have been one Supreme Court retirement/death, mostly likely Ruth Bader Ginsberg's, away from the appointment of a right wing idealogue and the repeal of "Roe vs Wade".
And that would have prohibited abortion in every State of the country, regardless of the circumstances of the conception.

Well to be fair to high priest Romney he has been flip-flopping a bit on the subject. From being very flexible as a governor to being a bit more hard line now. But as far as I know he would still allow abortion in certain circumstances, including r***. It was "only" one of his nut case groupies that wasn't so understanding.

I know you don't like the man, or anything somewhat right wing, and I know a large part of the US population are hard line religious nut case fundamentalist worthy al-qaeda, including some of our golfing friends, but, as we saw last week, most Americans are still relatively sane (and getting saner and saner as it appears) so give them a break before declaring another Iran or Taliban Afghanistan.

[Shotrock]

Mac - One thing to remember -- and perhaps you've experienced it -- is that even in the most liberal minded of states (Kwini-land) there are some staunch conservatives. And, in the most conservative states, there are some more liberal thinkers. You can pretty much find your "crew" wherever your travels take you. Here's a great map of the US presidential voting (probably a pretty good indicator of one's leanings) right down the the county level ...

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president

BTW -- What the F is up with Florida? Takes them a week to count their votes yet again. I'm guessing if it had anything to do with College Football, they would have solved this issue much sooner!

[incontinentia]

Does anyone really think that the Irish people would vote to continue a ban on abortion if they were not totally indoctrinated in the teachings and mindset of the catholic church?

believe it or not, the Irish people are not mindless zombies brainwashed by the church! In my experience (living in the country!) most people are secular and are in no way influenced by religion.

[Shotrock]

Pedro - Exactly. Obama won the popular vote.

[kwinigolfer]

pedro,
It's not that I don't like Romney, he's just a puppet for some truly evil forces, the neo-cons, religious right and all their gun-toting fellow travellers. Romney inherently is a moderate Republican, just as Bushies were moderate Republicans and look where they got us.

Who knows what Romney stands for? Including the American public which is why they chose not to elect him at a time when, all other things being equal, he should have been.


Shotrock,
There's a Congressional District in Arizona that still has 300,000+ (incl thousands of early(!) votes) that is still to report. They're making progress at 18,000 ballots a day, but constitutionally have to report by Friday! The Republicans are micro-managing every Hispanic-looking ballot.

[Diggers]

Does anyone really think that the Irish people would vote to continue a ban on abortion if they were not totally indoctrinated in the teachings and mindset of the catholic church?

believe it or not, the Irish people are not mindless zombies brainwashed by the church! In my experience (living in the country!) most people are secular and are in no way influenced by religion.

If thats the case the case they actually go down in my opinion with their views on abortion.

[pedro]

Pedro - Exactly. Obama won the popular vote.

Not only. But it also seems that traditional US election topics like abortion, gay rights and gun control has been less debated. And not that laws on these subjects have changed dramatically to the better in the past decade, but it seems that sanity more and more is taking over in the US and that the situation gradually will change in a civilised and secular direction. At least that's my feeling.

[kwinigolfer]

pedro,
I hope you're right!

[pedro]

Wasn't marihua*a legalised in some states? and gay mariages? That's more that can be said for some European countries.

And by the way, I wonder why all the Mexican violence hasn't been a topic. If I was an American right wing politician I would defo feel I had blood on my hands. If marihua*a had been legalised years ago, I guess thousands of Mexican lives would have been saved. Now that's NOT "pro-life" in my book!

[JAS]

[quote="Aruglia"]

Arug, welcome to the board...but for Chrissakes lighten up.
Supers' had a pop at my genre being uneducated this morning (i'm from western Scotland originally). Maybe if I thought there was some truth in it or if i thought his tongue wasn't firmly in his provocative little cheekbone I might have got a teeny bit closer to being offended.

Thanks Jas Think I might be a bit too sensitive to hang around though. In another post on this thread Diggers seems to suggest that the whole of Ireland are a bunch two faced ****s just because of soemthing his ex-girlfriend said to him. I am the only one - Irish, English, Scottish, Welsh - that thought that's what he was inferring in his comment?

Im not sure about that Jas. My direct experience was dating an Irish girl for quite a while. I expressed the same views as to how lovely the people were when we visited but she would always say they were to your face but what was said behind your back was a different story.
She herself married young and got divorced and her mother wouldnt talk to her for 3 years and openly admitted that she could never really forgive her and that she could never truly be married again. She said that was a pretty common opinion of a lot of people in her home village.
This wasnt Dublin though where I guess everyone is a bit nore cosmipolitan and as I said everyone was always lovely to me, but it was interesting to hear the views of an insider.

To be honest Aruglia, yes you did focus on the more negative aspects of Diggers' observations on Ireland based on his personal experience. He did also say how lovely it was and how friendly the people were (on the face of it). he also mentioned the observation of Dublin being more cosmopolitan than the parochialism he experienced.

At the end of the day, things get said on Internet forums and views get expressed that might not be said in face to face situations so being a tad less sensitive generally helps. The forums are useful for picking up tips in between the banter.

As for wanting Leprechaun added to the swear filter Incon....words utterly fail me... As they do for complaining about Alliss's "luck of the Irish" quote. Did you get a response from the Beeb??

[gaelgowfer]

And Gaelgowfer I think it's you whose "all religious" not me - and that's putting it very nicely. Maybe the tone of my 1st post was a bit strong and I apologies for that. But I stand by my assertion that you were spreading lies - knowingly or not. No own goal on my part but nice effort to try and deflect your own..

@Aruglia ... thank you for your apology ... if somewhat tainted.

Here is just one link connected to catholic rule in Eire; written by irish historian Wesley Johnson:

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/protestants_1861_1991.html#decline_roi

In the Republic of Ireland, since 1926, there has been a constant pattern of Protestants marrying Catholics. In most counties (exceptions being Cork, Dublin and the border counties) there were insufficent Protestants to enable most Protestants to realistically marry another Protestant, so most married Catholics. Until recently, the Roman Catholic church had a rule that the children of mixed-marriages had to be brought up Catholic. Therefore, in Catholic-Protestant marriages the Protestant faith would die out after one generation. This is the main cause of the constantly declining Protestant populationsince 1926. (Historically, the action in Irish Catholic-Protestant marriages was for the girls to be brought up with the mother's religion, and the boys with the father's. This traditional Irish pattern was destroyed when the Vatican introduced the aforementioned rule early in the 20th century causing all children to be brought up Catholic.)
Until recently, there was discrimination against Protestants in the labour market of the Republic of Ireland. For example, Trinity College, although a Dublin University, was mainly attended by Protestants. (Even today it is a stronghold of Irish Unionism.) In many jobs, Trinity College was not accepted as a source of education, so applicants who had attended Trinity were automatically rejected. This had the effect of preventing most Protestants from applying for the jobs. There are other, more specific, cases of discrimination. For example county Clare library service was told by the Irish President, Eamonn de Valera, that it should employ a Catholic chief librarian. This discrimination meant that many Irish Protestants had to migrate to Northern Ireland or Britain to seek employment. This also contributed to the trend between 1926 and 1991.

... hence my opening comment to which you took such offence ...

gaelgowfer wrote:
Seismic changes taking place in Eire. From what I can gather, the state is gradually separating itself from the church.

If you deny your history, you cannot hope to move forward. Confucius (scottish branch)

[incontinentia]

That word is only ever used for xenophobic purposes Jas, i'm sure it wouldn't be missed. As for the bbc, to be honest i wasn't expecting much from an organisation that harbours paedophiles. The guy on the phone feigned concern and then said he would pass on my complaint but i never heard anything more. Imagine my disgust when i was forced to complain a second time when Mark James made a very inappropriate joke about the troubles. In that instance there was a hasty apology from a different commentator, which i found pathetic, we at least deserved an apology from the man himself. I can only hope these latest scandals drag the bbc out of the dark ages.

[Diggers]

That word is only ever used for xenophobic purposes Jas, i'm sure it wouldn't be missed. As for the bbc, to be honest i wasn't expecting much from an organisation that harbours paedophiles. The guy on the phone feigned concern and then said he would pass on my complaint but i never heard anything more. Imagine my disgust when i was forced to complain a second time when Mark James made a very inappropriate joke about the troubles. In that instance there was a hasty apology from a different commentator, which i found pathetic, we at least deserved an apology from the man himself. I can only hope these latest scandals drag the bbc out of the dark ages.

For christs sake...sorry am I allowed to say that or is It offensive ? How on earth can you relate the word leprechaun to xenophobia ? Hang on, I know, when you feel its your duty to complain to the BBC everytime an off the cuff comment on TV upsets your sensibilities. I know people complain about missuse of license fee money, well a complete missuse of funds is having to reply to complaints like the two you made.
The BBC...an organisation that harbours paedophiles....now what other institute does that..hmm, is it the Catholic church.... obviously on a much grander scale. Its virtually a sin not to be a kiddy fiddler if you are a Catholic priest.

[JAS]

Well like I said in my initial contribution to today's discussion it never ceases to amaze me how a thread goes ultra sensitive the minute anything Irish gets brought up....not having a dig, each to their own but it's not really that difficult to see why!!

[super_realist]

Can't think of any other subject that anyone becomes so hyper-sensitive.

Really, if people are getting upset about the use of the word Leprechaun or "Luck of The Irish" how sad would you have to be, even the potato famine has a tiny fraction to get upset about, but Leprechaun. Come on. Grow up.

[Aruglia]

Gael do you know when DeValera was president of Ireland? To save you and others getting back to wikipedia, the answer is along time ago. You presented this like it happens today. I'd love hear your historian's definition of "until recently". Trinity changed a long time ago. And do you and your "historian" think it was cool for trinners to discriminate against Catholics in the first place?? I'd say you do. If you want to see some real religious discrimination from the not too distant past, have a scan on wiki for the discrimination against Catholics in Northern Ireland.

Jas I don't know what you are talking about - I love Peter Aliss and have no feelings whatsoever about leprechauns to be shore.

[super_realist]

It was Incontinentia who was getting his knickers in a twist about Leprechauns, I hope the BBC person laughed him off the line when he phoned up to complain about the correct use of "luck of the irish".

[Diggers]

It was Incontinentia who was getting his knickers in a twist about Leprechauns, I hope the BBC person laughed him off the line when he phoned up to complain about the correct use of "luck of the irish".

Super, I bet he said to his mate..."you wont believe what the leprechaun Ive got on the line is moaning about...."

[Aruglia]

Just had a look at your link there Gael..
"In 1991, the population of the Republic of Ireland was approximately 3% Protestant, but the figure was over 10% in 1891, indicating a fall of 70% in the relative Protestant population over the past century."

Hmmm... Now I wonder what happened in Ireland between the years 1891 and 1991?? I can only hope that your friend Wesley doesn't get laughed at too much when he calls himself a historian.

[super_realist]

It would be a bit like you getting upset about the use of the phrase Morris Dancer or me as a reluctant Scotsman the word Haggis.

That's how petty he's being.

Hilarious. Working on a complaints line would be brilliant fun if it paid a good salary.

[Diggers]

I worked for a call centre that had a similar number to the local DSS office. We once told someone who rang about their benefits that they were the 100,000 caller and they would get triple benefits for 3 months.
They actually fell for it....felt a bit bad afterwards......

[incontinentia]

I suppose calling a black person the n word is harmless fun and jews should laugh off the holocaust too? When in your opinion does sensitivity become justified?

[super_realist]

Ha ha, are you actually being a WUM incontinent. Hilarious.


I must have missed the Irish, sorry Leprechauns being forced into slavery or being exterminated in Concentration Camps

They have justification for offence, you do not.

[hend085]

I worked for a call centre that had a similar number to the local DSS office. We once told someone who rang about their benefits that they were the 100,000 caller and they would get triple benefits for 3 months.
They actually fell for it....felt a bit bad afterwards......

calling shenanigans on that

[Diggers]

I know that whinging about leprechauns is a long way short of the mark thats for sure.

[navyblueshorts]

...As for the bbc, to be honest i wasn't expecting much from an organisation that harbours paedophiles...

Oh give over and stop being such a drama queen. You'll be one of those Sun-readers that thinks all this Savile stuff has been 'proven' when it couldn't be further from the truth then? Even if there were paedophiles at the Beeb, that's a long away from the Beeb actually 'harbouring' them knowingly.

[mystiroakey]

Come on spread the love guys!! stop this bickering.

its all good..

This time tommorow i will be in new york!!

[navyblueshorts]

Come on spread the love guys!! stop this bickering.

its all good..

This time tommorow i will be in new york!!

Have a good one Oakey!

[kwinigolfer]

mysti,
Should be luvverly for your first few days - about 50F and sunny. How long you staying?
Bon voayage . . . .

[mystiroakey]

4 days!!

[navyblueshorts]

Just had a look at your link there Gael..
"In 1991, the population of the Republic of Ireland was approximately 3% Protestant, but the figure was over 10% in 1891, indicating a fall of 70% in the relative Protestant population over the past century."

Hmmm... Now I wonder what happened in Ireland between the years 1891 and 1991?? I can only hope that your friend Wesley doesn't get laughed at too much when he calls himself a historian.

Yes, I wonder.....

[Shotrock]

Pack a coat, it'll be nippy. If you've got cash burning a hole in your pocket and want to go to a great New York institution for a fine Bloody Mary, get over to the King Coe Bar in the St. Regis Hotel. Original Maxfield Parrish Mural backdrop.

Enjoy!

[mystiroakey]

OMG ibram has jjust scored his 4th goal v us

but what a goal!!!!

class player

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