Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[mystiroakey]

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Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

Don't be a plank. There's nothing semantic in what I've said. You always say I'm arguing semantics when you don't get what I'm talking about!
You're right re. the spaghetti, butter and TK. It's not great but it's not as bad, nutritionally, as is being made out. As I said before, if they ate that occasionally, what's the issue? If they eat it every day? That's another matter.

its disgusting- the family is overweight.. they should not be eating that sort of food ever! the fact that they even ''like' that sort of food is a big problem.

the mother said she was raised on it!

That is there stock spaghetti dish!

Jamie oliver needs to be sent to that family- its an emergency i tell ya!

[navyblueshorts]

I would surely have hated to have been raised in a brainwashed catholic country like Ireland.

You and this forum are something else. I'm sure you'll be congratulated for that gem. Maybe I'm just too sensative.

Yes, I think you are. Come on, argue your case/point. I've no doubt you could. Incidentally, we can all play the 'offended/disgusted' game. What do you mean "You and this forum are something else"? Eh? Eh? As far as I can see, that's the same tarring-everyone-with-the-same-brush reaction as you're accusing others of. Try arguing your point instead of taking your metaphorical ball home with you.

[gaelgowfer]

On the whole church front Ive a bit of a conumdrum. We have a C of E primary school at the end of our road, its outstanding Ofsted and historically you had to be a church goer to get in but they have doubled the intake so we have a good shout of our eldest getting in next September.
However as we have another child who would start school later we would probably have to start going to church for a year to guarantee her a place as the fact she would have a sibling at the school still would put her behind the church goers who would apply.
The other school nearby is fine as well but it seems poor form not to give our kids the chance of a very good start to their education.
My worry is they will both enjoy church, I did as a kid, loved sunday school and all the trips without ever feeling remotely religous, and we will end up having to go for years.

I have to agree that religious schools seem to do a better job than the state schools. They are much better at teaching moral ethics and values which, in turn, I believe helps children to get the best out of academia.

I don't envy you your dilemma. I attended an english school for a few years and, of course, had to attend church every Sunday ... C of E! Having come from a Church of Scotland background, I was absolutely horrified by all that kneeling and chanting! However, when in Rome ... so to speak.

Your experience of attending Sunday School is very different from mine. I was bored the whole time so maybe you'll get lucky and they won't prolong the agony too long for you. Let us pray!

[navyblueshorts]

We've had this same pattern at least 5 times now....

(1) Person 1 points out something, expressing an opinion and probably overstating a position or quoting a slightly tired or out of date stereotype.

(2) Person 2 gets all upset and replies in an angry fashion, using emotive language and implying Person 1 has all sorts of unpleasant character traits.

(3) Persons 3 and/or 4 chip in from the sidelines in basic support for either Person 1 or Person 2

(4) Jihad and hilarity ensues.

Options:
(a) Mods tell everyone to calm down

(b) Someone storms off, vowing never to return

(c) it all dies down, only for someone who has been away for a bit to innocently ask "What was that all about..." or "Where did so-and-so go"... Return to Step 1.

Well its either this or long putters.....

[JAS]

I think that in psychology terms is what's called a classic case of projection.

And that in real terms is 'Hey everyone, Gael might spread hateful lies about a country and it's people but she's all right really'. Jeez.

Incidently, mods or admins or who ever, please free to compare my IP address with any one else on this site. I know no one on this site and can only assume they are no where near my goegraphical location. Just to dispell some more of Gael's - you guessed it - lies.

Real terms, how the hell do you know what I'm thinking in real terms, I never mentioned Gael, the "projection" comment was directed squarely at you, accusing somebody else of being twisted and a bigot.

I think it's quite understandable although (given your protestation) incorrect that many have considered that you and Incontinent are one in the same person, given that your views, comments, easilyoffendedometer are so remarkably similar.

[JAS]

We've had this same pattern at least 5 times now....

(1) Person 1 points out something, expressing an opinion and probably overstating a position or quoting a slightly tired or out of date stereotype.

(2) Person 2 gets all upset and replies in an angry fashion, using emotive language and implying Person 1 has all sorts of unpleasant character traits.

(3) Persons 3 and/or 4 chip in from the sidelines in basic support for either Person 1 or Person 2

(4) Jihad and hilarity ensues.

Options:
(a) Mods tell everyone to calm down

(b) Someone storms off, vowing never to return

(c) it all dies down, only for someone who has been away for a bit to innocently ask "What was that all about..." or "Where did so-and-so go"... Return to Step 1.

Well its either this or long putters.....

.... And invariably person 2 is.... Och Jeez I won't say as more Jihad will instantly ensue, I'm sure most balanced people will be able to work it out though!!

[Bob_the_Job]

We've had this same pattern at least 5 times now....

(1) Person 1 points out something, expressing an opinion and probably overstating a position or quoting a slightly tired or out of date stereotype.

(2) Person 2 gets all upset and replies in an angry fashion, using emotive language and implying Person 1 has all sorts of unpleasant character traits.

(3) Persons 3 and/or 4 chip in from the sidelines in basic support for either Person 1 or Person 2

(4) Jihad and hilarity ensues.

Options:
(a) Mods tell everyone to calm down

(b) Someone storms off, vowing never to return

(c) it all dies down, only for someone who has been away for a bit to innocently ask "What was that all about..." or "Where did so-and-so go"... Return to Step 1.

Well its either this or long putters.....

Haha - it works for that too...

(1) Look at this article that says the R&A etc are considering their position wrt long putters..quite right too, thy're ugly and give an unfair advantage.

(2) Who are you calling a cheat?!?! You probably moved the ball once and didn't replace it, you're a disgrace to golf

(3a) It's all about the anchoring.. they're all a bunch or anchors..

(3b) Tosh..if they were that good everyone would use them..

And so on...

[Aruglia]

I would surely have hated to have been raised in a brainwashed catholic country like Ireland.

You and this forum are something else. I'm sure you'll be congratulated for that gem. Maybe I'm just too sensative.

Yes, I think you are. Come on, argue your case/point. I've no doubt you could. Incidentally, we can all play the 'offended/disgusted' game. What do you mean "You and this forum are something else"? Eh? Eh? As far as I can see, that's the same tarring-everyone-with-the-same-brush reaction as you're accusing others of. Try arguing your point instead of taking your metaphorical ball home with you.

I tried to argue my case/point but Gael just ignores that and comes out with some other absurdity presumably because she has no reasonable defence for her bigotry but to muddy the waters further. And phrases like gael's one above are accepted and congratulated on this forum. Hope that answers Eh? Eh? for you. Take a look through Gaels last few comments over the last couple of days. Everybody think they are fine? Seems so. All that stuff about the famine too. That's not funny. Wow maybe I am incontentia.

[JAS]

I would surely have hated to have been raised in a brainwashed catholic country like Ireland.

You and this forum are something else. I'm sure you'll be congratulated for that gem. Maybe I'm just too sensative.

Yes, I think you are. Come on, argue your case/point. I've no doubt you could. Incidentally, we can all play the 'offended/disgusted' game. What do you mean "You and this forum are something else"? Eh? Eh? As far as I can see, that's the same tarring-everyone-with-the-same-brush reaction as you're accusing others of. Try arguing your point instead of taking your metaphorical ball home with you.

I tried to argue my case/point but Gael just ignores that and comes out with some other absurdity presumably because she has no reasonable defence for her bigotry but to muddy the waters further. And phrases like gael's one above are accepted and congratulated on this forum. Hope that answers Eh? Eh? for you. Take a look through Gaels last few comments over the last couple of days. Everybody think they are fine? Seems so. All that stuff about the famine too. That's not funny. Wow maybe I am incontentia.

Maybe you are Incontinentia??.....Here wait a minute....you don't wear white trainers and track suit bottoms to the driving range by any chance??

[navyblueshorts]

I tried to argue my case/point but Gael just ignores that and comes out with some other absurdity presumably because she has no reasonable defence for her bigotry but to muddy the waters further. And phrases like gael's one above are accepted and congratulated on this forum. Hope that answers Eh? Eh? for you. Take a look through Gaels last few comments over the last couple of days. Everybody think they are fine? Seems so. All that stuff about the famine too. That's not funny. Wow maybe I am incontentia.

You could, for example, have explained why the change in demographic in the Republic re. Protestants over the period Gael was talking may, just may, have had some other cause rather than simple Catholics persecuting Protestants. I think I know what you were referring to but I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts, simply out of historical interest.
I'm curious why you didn't argue against the points Gael was quoting written by someone else rather than take to Gael directly? I'm sure if there'd be interest in some good debate. I know nowhere near enough about Ireland's history and wouldn't object to hearing from people with more direct knowledge than I'll ever have.
Re. the famine. Yes, it was pretty horrendous I'm sure but is it really so pertinent to today? Are people in the Republic so wedded to an event from so long ago that it significantly influences their outlook on today? Does it really make the Irish what they are today?

[Aruglia]

You could, for example, have explained why the change in demographic in the Republic re. Protestants over the period Gael was talking may, just may, have had some other cause rather than simple Catholics persecuting Protestants. I think I know what you were referring to but I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts, simply out of historical interest.
I'm curious why you didn't argue against the points Gael was quoting written by someone else rather than take to Gael directly? I'm sure if there'd be interest in some good debate. I know nowhere near enough about Ireland's history and wouldn't object to hearing from people with more direct knowledge than I'll ever have.
Re. the famine. Yes, it was pretty horrendous I'm sure but is it really so pertinent to today? Are people in the Republic so wedded to an event from so long ago that it significantly influences their outlook on today? Does it really make the Irish what they are today?

Well there was the small matter of Irish Independence and the repatriation of thousands of His Majesty's civil servants and other loyal subjects. I really thought that would have been obvious. I'm not a history teacher so I won't be giving any more lessons but if I was navyblueshorts would be getting the gold star. The rest of you - could do better I'm afraid.

I took to Gael directly because of what she wrote and not just the rubbish links she posted. Do some of her comments appear bigoted? Any takers?

[super_realist]

Wow, I go away on a work afternoon lunch and this thread goes ballistic.

Incidentally I had a nice potato salad (is this offensive?)

Aruglian or whatever he's called, turns up only to be offended. If he and Incontinentia are so easily (and professionaly) aghast it says a lot about the stereotype of your nation being A) Intolerant to the views of others and B) Completely incapable of laughing at yourself and C) Ridiculously oversensitve, D) Live in the past. E) Pretend to be offended at events they can't possibly have a recent connection too.

What next ? fake offence at Irish Jokes or the Bobby Sands Diet? Seriously if you are that easily offended, perhaps you can find somewhere else to post it's not as if you will be missed.
Many of us disagree on many points, Mac, Diggers, Gael etc are often in complete disagreement to where my views and opinions lie, but we are mature enough (well Mac isn't always) not to go running to the moderators at something which even a black Irish handicapped gay Jew who was captive in Birkenau wouldn't be offended by.

It is truly pathetic. Do you not realise how ridiculous you sound?

It's like a Scotsman being offended by the stereotype of being tight. Oh no please don't call me a skinflint.

[Aruglia]

Hey souper! You're missing the point. It's not the (very bad) jokes. It's the lies buddy.

[super_realist]

Aruglia,

The point is not the truth at all, no one on here gives a toss, it's a public forum about opinions. It isn't literal.

Why are you taking it so seriously and why so easily offended. Are you that insecure about your nation and nationality?

What exactly are you doing on here anyway? You haven't mentioned golf yet at all, just decided to post when you didn't like people having a pop at your backward religously indoctrinated country.

p.s Incontinent, hadn't you better have this forum up in front of the CRE for these blatantly "racist" icons?

[incontinentia]

I've a better idea super_realist, why don't you go and squat on a spiky pole.

You clearly have some sort of cognitive impairment, for goodness sake go and see a mental health professional before its too late.

[McLaren]

I dont agree with the behavior of inco, but were this thread full of people insulting a nation populated by another race would we be so comfortable with contribution if our fellow posters?

I of course dont support the Irish governments stance on many issues, or the laws of the nation but nowhere in this thread do I see the issues sensibly debated. Navy tried to coax something sensible out of one of the Irish chaps but no one else got beyond petty slurs. Super, your attitude towards the Irish is a disgrace and I have no idea why the mod's continue to let you post the hateful drivel you do. It is not a joke when you dont come up with anything amusing.

[navyblueshorts]

Well, this has been a fun 'discussion' hasn't it? However, if it's going to degenerate into simple insults, it'll have to stop. I'm all for animated debate but let's keep simple mud slinging and direct insults out of it from now on.

[navyblueshorts]

Hey souper! You're missing the point. It's not the (very bad) jokes. It's the lies buddy.

What lies? Why are they lies? Where's the counter-argument? If some of these 'lies' are factually inaccurate, surely it ought to be easy enough to find the evidence to expose them for what they are?

[navyblueshorts]

I dont agree with the behavior of inco, but were this thread full of people insulting a nation populated by another race would we be so comfortable with contribution if our fellow posters?...

Such as whom Mac? I'll happily lay into quite a few, my own included.

[super_realist]

Mac, in what way have I been out of order?

[McLaren]

Super

Watch this and replace gypsies with "tattie muncher" and you will pretty much see how you come of when you make your anti irish comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0i0RXMvzMs

it's also very funny.

[incontinentia]

All,
Whilst you are more than welcome to debate the abortion issue in a sensible and orderly manner, please refrain from making posts which break the site rules. If you are unfamiliar with these they can be found via the following link:
https://www.606v2.com/t1019-site-rules
In particular, may I draw your attention to items 1, 3, and 5.
B

My main beef here is that everyone slagging the Irish have broken the forum rules, that is a given that no-one can argue with. These rules are obviously here for decoration though as nothing ever gets done about abuses.

aruglia or myself are perfectly entitled to stand up for ourselves, yet when we do we are bullied into submission by the clique who think this sort of thing is acceptable.

[Hemmingway]

Super, you are so far off the mark its ridiculous. You and diggers have really made yourselves look like jackasses on this thread.

This from a man who feels he is duty bound to complain to the BBC about a phrase like luck of the Irish and feels that the word leprechaun should be banned. Small minded and petty doesnt even begin to cover it.
Its a shame you werent around during the potato famine, the chip on your shoulder would have easily covered the shortfall.

This comment reveals your ignorance.

[Hemmingway]

I would surely have hated to have been raised in a brainwashed catholic country like Ireland.

You and this forum are something else. I'm sure you'll be congratulated for that gem. Maybe I'm just too sensative.

What a loss to Ireland you are.

[Hemmingway]

Its a shame you werent around during the potato famine, the chip on your shoulder would have easily covered the shortfall..

The king of the one liners strikes again!

Gaelgowfer, I deduce that you're more of a 'gowfer' than a 'Gael'.

[Hemmingway]

Wow, I go away on a work afternoon lunch and this thread goes ballistic.

Incidentally I had a nice potato salad (is this offensive?)

Aruglian or whatever he's called, turns up only to be offended. If he and Incontinentia are so easily (and professionaly) aghast it says a lot about the stereotype of your nation being A) Intolerant to the views of others and B) Completely incapable of laughing at yourself and C) Ridiculously oversensitve, D) Live in the past. E) Pretend to be offended at events they can't possibly have a recent connection too.

What next ? fake offence at Irish Jokes or the Bobby Sands Diet? Seriously if you are that easily offended, perhaps you can find somewhere else to post it's not as if you will be missed.
Many of us disagree on many points, Mac, Diggers, Gael etc are often in complete disagreement to where my views and opinions lie, but we are mature enough (well Mac isn't always) not to go running to the moderators at something which even a black Irish handicapped gay Jew who was captive in Birkenau wouldn't be offended by.

It is truly pathetic. Do you not realise how ridiculous you sound?

It's like a Scotsman being offended by the stereotype of being tight. Oh no please don't call me a skinflint.

I can assure you that Irish people do not 'fake' offence to jokes about Bobby Sands. Disgraceful.

[super_realist]

Mac, I'm just as critical of many countries and or sections of society, but they don't run away crying when someone makes a joke at their expense and most of them have far more justifiable reason to be offended. I cannot think of one good reason why any modern day Irish person would be remotely offended by anything I've said.

So again i'll ask the question, why do they fake offence, why are they so sensitive and why do they take themselves so seriously when no other nation does?

Insecurity?

What have we got here really? A POM (Professionally Offended Merchant) in Aru, whose only contribution to this forum is to create an account when he feels he's being chastised as an Irish person and Inco, who is so pathetic he phones up the BBC to complain about the use of the phrase "Luck of the Irish" and who wants "leprechaun" applied to the swear filter.

Don't Guiness and their Paddy's Day regalia go overboard on the leprechaun clothing? Leprechauns are a product of the Irish culture, maintained by your only export. Complain to Guiness about their buckle shoes and big green hats if you feel so marginalised.

What do you think of the term "Irish eyes are smiling?" Is that offensive?

This level of "offence" is akin to Scotsman objecting to being called a penny pincher, a welshman a sheep shagger or an Englishman a gay morris dancer.

I bet you two would go to a Jimmy Carr (floppy haired tax dodging creep) or a Frankie Boyle (ginger haired, alcoholic, west coast soap dodger) (they wouldn't take offence to that) and be rolling in the aisles until they mentioned the "P" word or the "L" word or the phrase "L.O.T.I" and walk out.

Inco, you were making jokes about Shane Lowry's size the other day, so you can dish it out but not take it back?


So how about you justify this offence that you "claim to" have. If you can do so successfully, I'll apologise for chastising you. If you can't, keep quiet and take the ribbing like everyone else does and for goodness sake, stop being so sensitive.


Did you hear about the plane that crashed into an Irish Cemetry? Rescuers have found 3156 bodies so far.

[incontinentia]

Zzzzzzz...

[super_realist]

I'll take that as a response that you can't justify your offence. Well done.

[Aruglia]

What lies? Why are they lies? Where's the counter-argument? If some of these 'lies' are factually inaccurate, surely it ought to be easy enough to find the evidence to expose them for what they are?

Navy did you miss my response or just ignore it and decide to accuse me of something else instead. Not too dissimilar to Gael's tactics. I have no intention now of going back and defending against all of the rubbish posted Gael has posted. I'm done with this. It seems new posters get rounded on while existing ones can post what they like and get plenty the support for it. You want an example of a lie? Well lets start with the persecution of protestants in the Republic - one of Gael's "Did you know" facts about Ireland. That is lies. Now I know there must be more posters on here from Ireland North/South/catholic/protestant who know that to be complete bull. I don't understand why they can't say so. As I've said already, it's not the first time Gael has tried spread this stuff on here. And the timing of this one coming on wednesday morning makes it even a little more sinister.

By the way, I am a golfer and have read this forum a lot particularly princedracula's and kwini's contributions as well as other golf related threads. It's unfortunate that I dragged in by the stuff on this thread. I do hope people can see it for what it is. I'm also amazed and amused even at the support super_realist gets. I can't be the only one.

[super_realist]

Aru, perhaps the other people of who you talk are not so super-sensitive as to be getting their knickers in a twist in regards to the postings of people on a GOLF forum.
People on here are always writing things that might not be have a basis in 100% fact, but not everyone is so stupid as to go off crying about it or see it as some sort of personal insult.

Lighten up, stop taking offence when there is none to be taken and talk about golf.

[Bob_the_Job]

...Lighten up, stop taking offence when there is none to be taken and talk about golf.

I'm always tempted to say this, but to be fair, this thread is entitled "Anything goes", implying it's meant to be the one thread (yes people, I said "ONE THREAD") were non-golf stuff is discussed. That said, I agree a lot of people need to lighten up.

[super_realist]

True, Bob, I think people are just taking offence where there is none.
Even Islamics offended by cartoons of the prophet are not this vocal.

I can imagine if there was an effigy shop in Aru and Inco's town, then Gael shaped effigy's would be getting burnt.

[gaelgowfer]

Its a shame you werent around during the potato famine, the chip on your shoulder would have easily covered the shortfall..

The king of the one liners strikes again!

Gaelgowfer, I deduce that you're more of a 'gowfer' than a 'Gael'.

Nope, sorry hemmingway ... not quite up to Dstandard. Keep trying though.

[navyblueshorts]

My main beef here is that everyone slagging the Irish have broken the forum rules, that is a given that no-one can argue with. These rules are obviously here for decoration though as nothing ever gets done about abuses.

aruglia or myself are perfectly entitled to stand up for ourselves, yet when we do we are bullied into submission by the clique who think this sort of thing is acceptable.

I thought you'd gone already? Who said you had to submit to anything?

Navy did you miss my response or just ignore it and decide to accuse me of something else instead. Not too dissimilar to Gael's tactics. I have no intention now of going back and defending against all of the rubbish posted Gael has posted. I'm done with this. It seems new posters get rounded on while existing ones can post what they like and get plenty the support for it. You want an example of a lie? Well lets start with the persecution of protestants in the Republic - one of Gael's "Did you know" facts about Ireland. That is lies. Now I know there must be more posters on here from Ireland North/South/catholic/protestant who know that to be complete bull. I don't understand why they can't say so. As I've said already, it's not the first time Gael has tried spread this stuff on here. And the timing of this one coming on wednesday morning makes it even a little more sinister.

By the way, I am a golfer and have read this forum a lot particularly princedracula's and kwini's contributions as well as other golf related threads. It's unfortunate that I dragged in by the stuff on this thread. I do hope people can see it for what it is. I'm also amazed and amused even at the support super_realist gets. I can't be the only one.

I didn't accuse you of anything but you go ahead and wear the cap if it fits. You're done with this but continue to write an essay. Well done. Persecution of protestants is a lie? OK. I don't know it's a lie. The fact that you say it's such doesn't make it true. Can't you quote something that would refute Gael's quoted article? I told you I was interested.
What the Hell does Wednesday morning have to do with the price of eggs???? Again, cryptic references to things you assume others know. Not good enough really is it?
Maybe all those others from the Republic's North/South/catholic/protestant communities aren't as sensitive and/or don't see an issue? S_R get's plenty of grief for what he says from time to time - you patently don't read this that much if you think he gets away scot free (Oh! Is that an insulting term to use???).

[gaelgowfer]

Notwithstanding cover-ups, I will certainly be interested to learn why those doctors felt justified in leaving this women in agony for three days in the full knowledge that the baby wasn't going to survive .. let alone put her life increasingly at risk by not doing earlier what they eventually knew they were going to have to do anyway.

[JAS]

Morning Campers!! (Can I say that without offending the gay community??)

How are we today? Why don't we have a fresh start??

Abu Quatada....should British taxpayers be funding a rehousing of this Al Qaeda sympathiser. If not what's the best way to make feeling on the subject known to our politicians and lawmakers?

[super_realist]

Inco, the issue people have with you is that you are acting like a cry baby, while everyone else who gets a bit of a light hearted dig similar to what you and the Irish have done on this forum, take it on the chin and in good humour.


you are clearly taking yourself too seriously.

[gaelgowfer]

The Irish government says the law needs to be "clarified". However, from what I can gather there seems to be clear enough information on the internet to suggest that (in irish law) the mother's life takes precedence so, what on earth were those doctors thinking of? For goodness sake, they had 3 days to check if they were following the correct protocols.

[JAS]

Is it just me or has this thread been "cleansed" since yesterday.

If so I'd suggest a renaming of the thread as "Anything goes" is clearly an inappropriate description.

[Diggers]

Super, you are so far off the mark its ridiculous. You and diggers have really made yourselves look like jackasses on this thread.

This from a man who feels he is duty bound to complain to the BBC about a phrase like luck of the Irish and feels that the word leprechaun should be banned. Small minded and petty doesnt even begin to cover it.
Its a shame you werent around during the potato famine, the chip on your shoulder would have easily covered the shortfall.

This comment reveals your ignorance.

Its ironic that given your username that you express yourself so poorly. Tell me why Im showing my ignorance, tell me why the famine resonates so deeply with the Irish today even though it happened many, many generations ago.
As it happens I went to a musuem dedicated to the famine when I was in Ireland. It was fairly interesting I guess but ultimately it felt like a long, long time ago in history, Ive also been to Flanders and you begin to empathise more as it was a 20th century event. But going to Dachau for me probably resonated more, you knew that people who were still alive had lived through the horrors of the camp and of course the buildings were fairly contempary.
But all these things will eventually fade, its not a nice world a lot of the time and terrible things happen. Its best to make light of them when you can and ultimately there does come a point when it really just is history, thats the way of the world.

[Skydriver]

Morning Campers!! (Can I say that without offending the gay community??)

How are we today? Why don't we have a fresh start??

Abu Quatada....should British taxpayers be funding a rehousing of this Al Qaeda sympathiser. If not what's the best way to make feeling on the subject known to our politicians and lawmakers?

Morning. I do occasionally wonder if we are being given a fair account of the ongoing story of "Hakuna Matada". Having seen snippets of footage of him preaching on the news, it's pretty clear to me though that he's a dangerous individual and one wonders why he wants to live in this country if he hates it so much.

Similarly, I am left flummoxed by the most recent appeal court decision. Has the reasoning been properly explained to us? There will be hell to pay if someone has made another administrative error or tried to cut some legal corner. Speaking for myself, I hope it's just a case of obtaining slightly better/stronger assurances from Jordan [insert your favourite Katie Price joke here], and then we can all move on.

Are you still training in Shotokan, JAS? I had a pretty hard kumite session last night for the first time in ages. Definitely feeling that I'm getting slower and less effective as I grow older.

[Diggers]

I think Jordan has changed its constitution to promise it wont torture him so not too sure how much further they can go.
It does seem bizarre that a British court has ruled against the extradition, you would imagine that the reasons why would have been clearly explained to us but that does not appear to be the case.
The whole thing is bizarre, though it was funny watching Nigel Farage on Question Time trying to pin the blame solely on Strasbourg only to have it pointed out to him that the problem was actually as a result of a British court. Why let a little thing like the truth get in the way of having a go at something you dont agree with eh Nigel ?

[super_realist]

Here's a tip, never get in a plane with Payne Stewart or Nigel Farage

[Diggers]

On the whole I tend to think we underestimate politicians, that they are brighter than we give them credit for. Then I listen to Farage and think maybe not.....and he really does have a face that cries out punch me !!

[super_realist]

I think Ed Milliband has the most punchable face and most irritatingly camp voice going.

[Skydriver]

I'm surprised you didn't mention your esteemed First Minister, supes.

[Diggers]

Milliband is quite punchable, but I think Cameron more so to be honest. He has that whole chinless wonder thing going on. Id rather punch Osbourne though.
Was reading about a statement he made on the back of the US elections the other day, basically it was all about what the Torys need to do to win the next election and stay in power. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. How about trying to sort the huge problems we have out and then the election result should take care of it itself.

[super_realist]

I'm surprised you didn't mention your esteemed First Minister, supes.

I'd use a baseball bat on him Sky.

[JAS]

Hi Skydriver, no I've more or less retired now before wear & tear of the joints gets to the stage of being troublesome. Really really miss it, especially the hard kumite sessions (circle sparring, line sparring etc) but I made a decision and I'm sticking to it...for now. It gets hard to swing a club with bruised ribs the last injury I had (hand), I had to cut a couple of fingers off my golf glove so I could get it on despite the swelling. Shotokan's been great from a fitness & flexibility perspective but at my age the sheer pummelling the joints get begins to take it's toll and I can maintain a degree fitness and flexibility in the gym now.

Where do you train?

[Skydriver]

I attend classes at a small club within walking distance of the City (so east side of central London). Have now done this for years, but previously also trained in the Midlands [home] and Hampshire [university].

Funny how the conversation today has moved onto punching - did and felt a lot of that last night! Had to apologise for an ura-ken to my partner's face which I thought was excessive, but he didn't seem to mind.

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