Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[mystiroakey]

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Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

Don't be a plank. There's nothing semantic in what I've said. You always say I'm arguing semantics when you don't get what I'm talking about!
You're right re. the spaghetti, butter and TK. It's not great but it's not as bad, nutritionally, as is being made out. As I said before, if they ate that occasionally, what's the issue? If they eat it every day? That's another matter.

its disgusting- the family is overweight.. they should not be eating that sort of food ever! the fact that they even ''like' that sort of food is a big problem.

the mother said she was raised on it!

That is there stock spaghetti dish!

Jamie oliver needs to be sent to that family- its an emergency i tell ya!

[Aruglia]

I didn't accuse you of anything but you go ahead and wear the cap if it fits. You're done with this but continue to write an essay. Well done. Persecution of protestants is a lie? OK. I don't know it's a lie. The fact that you say it's such doesn't make it true. Can't you quote something that would refute Gael's quoted article? I told you I was interested.
What the Hell does Wednesday morning have to do with the price of eggs???? Again, cryptic references to things you assume others know. Not good enough really is it?
Maybe all those others from the Republic's North/South/catholic/protestant communities aren't as sensitive and/or don't see an issue? S_R get's plenty of grief for what he says from time to time - you patently don't read this that much if you think he gets away scot free (Oh! Is that an insulting term to use???).[/quote]

I know I said I'm done but you keep asking me questions and I foolishly I get dragged in. What significance does wednesday have? Well on this thread, Ireland was well and truly in the spot light over it's "evil abortion laws" and the Gael pipes in with and "Did you know" and you should know the rest.

Can I quote something? Well not really. But here's one for you: Stephen Lawrence was murdered by thugs with racist motives in the 90s. Can you provide evidence that this murder wasn't sanctioned by the Queen? Because I can find nothing on the internet to say that it wasn't. Can you provide evidence that the BBC and their legacy of brilliant tv and radio programming is not just a cover for a massive bad person ring controlled by free masons? Again I checked and I found nothing on the internet to disprove this. They're ridiculous accusations aren't they? Just like Gael's persecution of protestants in the Republic of Ireland rubbish.

[JAS]

I attend classes at a small club within walking distance of the City (so east side of central London). Have now done this for years, but previously also trained in the Midlands [home] and Hampshire [university].

Funny how the conversation today has moved onto punching - did and felt a lot of that last night! Had to apologise for an ura-ken to my partner's face which I thought was excessive, but he didn't seem to mind.

Nice...ha ha as soon as I read Uraken I felt a twitch and a flash of Age Uke, Gyaka zuki ...Stop convo now Skydriver before I end up giving the drinks vending machine in the office a big mawashi geri :-/

[super_realist]

The difference Aru, is that you could say that and no one on here would jump to a Code Red level of offence. We don't care. Why do you? Gaels statement has no actual impact on you so why are you going off the rails about it?

Your reaction is way over the top.

[Skydriver]

"Yame" called - understood / oss.

[navyblueshorts]

Note to self: Don't take the p*** of JAS and Skydriver.

[JAS]

"Yame" called - understood / oss.

Lol, funny how just a few words bring it all flooding back. A bit ironic that the subject gets brought up in the midst of all this Irish Foffence. When I was at probably my fittest and training most intensively I did a 3 month contract in Dublin, I couldnt bear the though of not training for 3 months so I got in touch with the exKUGB guy who used to take our black belt gradings to see if he knew anyone that taught over there. He put me in touch with the then head of the KUI who had a dojo just north of the city centre. Sorted, had some fantastic sessions there, they were hard as nails but a good bunch. Needless to say I collected a few "blue badges" but came back to my own club quite a bit sharper :-/

[navyblueshorts]

I know I said I'm done but you keep asking me questions and I foolishly I get dragged in. What significance does wednesday have? Well on this thread, Ireland was well and truly in the spot light over it's "evil abortion laws" and the Gael pipes in with and "Did you know" and you should know the rest.

Can I quote something? Well not really. But here's one for you: Stephen Lawrence was murdered by thugs with racist motives in the 90s. Can you provide evidence that this murder wasn't sanctioned by the Queen? Because I can find nothing on the internet to say that it wasn't. Can you provide evidence that the BBC and their legacy of brilliant tv and radio programming is not just a cover for a massive bad person ring controlled by free masons? Again I checked and I found nothing on the internet to disprove this. They're ridiculous accusations aren't they? Just like Gael's persecution of protestants in the Republic of Ireland rubbish.

You know, you could have killed Gael's argument in one fell swoop if you'd elaborated on what alternatives there might have been for the decline of Protestants in the Republic. Instead of which you go this route. Thought you were brighter than that but I was obviously mistaken.
If you want to actually act on your professed desire to "be done" with this, feel free.

[Aruglia]

You thought I was bright? Aww. I knew you were alright navy

[Roller_Coaster]

Not trying to go down the race track (sorry!) but with all the recent media attention on racism in football there is one thing I genuinely don't understand. Why is it acceptable to have the "Society of Black lawyers" (SBL)? I assume it's legally OK (as the head is a former high court judge who I guess knows his onions) but if the "Society for White Lawyers" was formed I reckon there would be uproar.

I guess that the constitution for the SBL cannot preclude membership on grounds of skin colour as that would be illegal (ie didn't the BNP have to change their constitution for that reason) but it does somewhat imply that it is formed on a racial basis.

It isn't intended as incendiary and I'm kind of apprehensive asking TBH, but I genuinely don't get it.

[gaelgowfer]

Strewth, I wish someone would give (ne)uralgia an ura-ken!

[Hemmingway]

Super, you are so far off the mark its ridiculous. You and diggers have really made yourselves look like jackasses on this thread.

This from a man who feels he is duty bound to complain to the BBC about a phrase like luck of the Irish and feels that the word leprechaun should be banned. Small minded and petty doesnt even begin to cover it.
Its a shame you werent around during the potato famine, the chip on your shoulder would have easily covered the shortfall.

This comment reveals your ignorance.

Its ironic that given your username that you express yourself so poorly. Tell me why Im showing my ignorance, tell me why the famine resonates so deeply with the Irish today even though it happened many, many generations ago.
As it happens I went to a musuem dedicated to the famine when I was in Ireland. It was fairly interesting I guess but ultimately it felt like a long, long time ago in history, Ive also been to Flanders and you begin to empathise more as it was a 20th century event. But going to Dachau for me probably resonated more, you knew that people who were still alive had lived through the horrors of the camp and of course the buildings were fairly contempary.
But all these things will eventually fade, its not a nice world a lot of the time and terrible things happen. Its best to make light of them when you can and ultimately there does come a point when it really just is history, thats the way of the world.


Really? I think I expressed myself very clearly without delay much like the great man himself. I would add though, I find good points in the rest of your post (which is much more measured than theone I previously referred to.

[Hemmingway]

Its a shame you werent around during the potato famine, the chip on your shoulder would have easily covered the shortfall..

The king of the one liners strikes again!

Gaelgowfer, I deduce that you're more of a 'gowfer' than a 'Gael'.

Nope, sorry hemmingway ... not quite up to Dstandard. Keep trying though.

Damn it!!! I Could have sworn I had you there.

[navyblueshorts]

You thought I was bright? Aww. I knew you were alright navy

De nada.

Not trying to go down the race track (sorry!) but with all the recent media attention on racism in football there is one thing I genuinely don't understand. Why is it acceptable to have the "Society of Black lawyers" (SBL)? I assume it's legally OK (as the head is a former high court judge who I guess knows his onions) but if the "Society for White Lawyers" was formed I reckon there would be uproar.

I guess that the constitution for the SBL cannot preclude membership on grounds of skin colour as that would be illegal (ie didn't the BNP have to change their constitution for that reason) but it does somewhat imply that it is formed on a racial basis.

It isn't intended as incendiary and I'm kind of apprehensive asking TBH, but I genuinely don't get it.

You're not the only one Coaster. Herbert isn't an HC judge as far as I know - thought he was Barrister. He is a pillock though. Anyone hear him on 5Live this morning arguing about use of 'Yid' and its derivatives? Idiot.
You can bet that if there was a 'Society of White Lawyers' there'd be no end of people pontificating on why it shouldn't be allowed. I'm not advocating such a think BTW but I think there comes a time when you have to think about whether organisations which take a membership from specific minorities do anything for the integration which they profess to want in society. Being apart and effectively declaring as such would seem to be a bit counter-productive to me.
On the subject of applying to join the SBL, that's an interesting point you make. Maybe a white lawyer should make an application to see what happens? Anyway, it's all scheiss. If there's any truth to the 'out of Africa' theories on our origins then we're all at least a bit black aren't we?

[super_realist]

How about the Society of Over Sensitive Religiously Indoctrinated Buckle Show Wearing Potato Starved Ginger Haired Irish Leprechauns?

[Roller_Coaster]

Unless he's out to get media attention to fulfill some ego trip (rather than the issues he purports to care about) I don't see the point either. On what I've seen I'd have to agree that he's a pillock, but he must be clever so maybe I'm missing something. Next year's contestant on I'm a "celebrity" get me out of here?

Someone must know a willing white lawyer we could persuade to have a go. If he/she can't get admission make a huge fuss in the media. If they gain admission they could make a huge fuss in the media by completely contradicting Herbert.

I'd give it a go to test that, apart from the years of work I'd have to put in to become a lawyer!

[Bob_the_Job]

Irish Leprechauns? Are there any other type? Do forgot "Drunken" and "Argumentative", although to be fair, those are fairly implicit.

Oh and "Major Championship" winning ...

[Bob_the_Job]

How about the Society of Over Sensitive Religiously Indoctrinated Buckle Show Wearing Potato Starved Ginger Haired Irish Leprechauns?

Irish Leprechauns? Are there any other type? Do forgot "Drunken" and "Argumentative", although to be fair, those are fairly implicit.

Oh and "Major Championship" winning ...

[super_realist]

A leprechaun won a major? Wow, really is "luck of the irish"

[Bob_the_Job]

A leprechaun won a major? Wow, really is "luck of the irish"

Well it can't be talent.. that would be unthinkable!

[super_realist]

Lucky Charms?

[Bob_the_Job]

Hey, don't knock it. Good and lucky beats just good most times.

[SmithersJones]

Not trying to go down the race track (sorry!) but with all the recent media attention on racism in football there is one thing I genuinely don't understand. Why is it acceptable to have the "Society of Black lawyers" (SBL)? I assume it's legally OK (as the head is a former high court judge who I guess knows his onions) but if the "Society for White Lawyers" was formed I reckon there would be uproar.

I guess that the constitution for the SBL cannot preclude membership on grounds of skin colour as that would be illegal (ie didn't the BNP have to change their constitution for that reason) but it does somewhat imply that it is formed on a racial basis.

It isn't intended as incendiary and I'm kind of apprehensive asking TBH, but I genuinely don't get it.

I agree, I get the distinct impression that there's more than a touch of the Emperor's new clothes about the SBL. Surely the Society of Anti-Racist Lawyers would be more appropriate, if that was genuinely their raison d'être?

[Hibbz]

I think the reason the SBL was formed was because black lawyers must have felt in some way ostracised or at the very least not represented by the existing body, the Law Society. Whether they were or not I've no idea but the fact that they would feel that way is disturbing. Granted in an ideal world there would be no need for it but unfortunately prejudice/racism still exists.

With regards to why there shouldn't be a white lawyers version surely it's just that there is no need and anyone that set one up would do it with the sole racist purpose of excluding black lawyers.

No defence from here for Peter Herbert's comments though.

[navyblueshorts]

Surely better to change from within the existing body though?

[Roller_Coaster]

I agree Hibbz - if a soc for white lawyers was formed the media (at least) would be likely to jump on their backs for being racist. But the soc for black lawyers doesn't even appear to have been questioned along those lines.

Should it? Or would the act of questioning it likely result in the questioner being accused of racism (probably by the SBL itself!)?

[super_realist]

Passed through Nigg this morning? How do we refer to the inhabitants?

[Aruglia]

Associations likie this aren't uncommon in other countries, especially in the States where their existance stems from the civil rights movement over there in the 50s and 60s. Just did a quick google and Canada has a similar organisation too.

[Bob_the_Job]

Passed through Nigg this morning? How do we refer to the inhabitants?

African Aberdonian

[Roller_Coaster]

I can't imagine Nigg is a big place so probably by their first names (after having been formally introduced first of course).

[super_realist]

Our own Diggers is just one letter away from a racial profanity.

[Bob_the_Job]

Doggers is more of a sexual slur than a racial profanity

[McLaren]

Super realist would kill for a sexual slur....

[super_realist]

Mac, there's a Nine Chinned Woods thread for you to get "sticky" about.

[navyblueshorts]

Doggers is more of a sexual slur than a racial profanity

[Diggers]

I think now he's up in Aberdeen Super gets all his sexual action from Riggers these days....

[Bob_the_Job]

I think now he's up in Aberdeen Super gets all his sexual action from Riggers these days....

He'll be looking Daggers in your direction now.

[Diggers]

Cant believe Arsenal are looking like they could lose Walcott as well. Ive been a critic Walcott in the past but this season, and last before his injury, he has looked like a top player. Scoring more and also getting his head up and making a lot of chances and assists. He was superb against Spurs.
Arsenal are a massive club, but you cant keep letting your best players go, its just crazy.

[JAS]

Do you think Arsenal would be one of the biggest beneficiaries if a maximum wage was introduced Europe wide Diggers?

[Diggers]

For sure Jas, they run a tight ship in that respect. However Im not convinced they do so because they feel that any such cap will be introduced, I think they do it for the shareholders and becasue of Wengers vanity. Ive a lot of time for Wenger in many ways but I do believe that for him its almost like the trophys dont matter, its more about his principles. Which is all well and good up to a point but Im suret he fans would love to see some silverware.
Also I cant see any salary caps coming anytime soon and how well the financial fair play element actually gets enforced who knows, I suspect not very harshly personally.

[navyblueshorts]

Haven't they brought in Cazorla (looks exceptional), Giroud (who's beginning to get the idea) and Podolski recently? Chamberlain looks like he might be a decent player and Wilshere is on the way back.
Why would Walcott be leaving (other than due to a lack of brain cells that is)? More money elsewhere? More first team action? If he goes to another 'big' club, he'll just be having to compete in a squad system in much the same way.
Bet he doesn't go abroad to actually further his footballing education.

[Diggers]

They have made a good few signings but they have also let some big names go Navy and you have to say a club like Arsenal should be winning things. I cant think of another big club in Europe that could go as long without winning and still stand by their manager.
Walcott for me has been Arsenals best player this year, he is finally getting it and is close to becoming the real deal IMO. Id guess money is at the heart of it but there is also the issue re him playing up front. He could probably get 120k elsewhere, thats a lot more than the 75k Arsenal are offering. OK its all silly money to us but ultimately other clubs will pay it, Arsenal stand by their principles but they have paid the price.
And at the end of the day why should a fan care how much a player is paid, they just want to see the best players on the pitch.
I wouldnt paint Walcott as just another thick footballer, he seems like a nice, bright lad. But you cant expect him (his advisors)not to haggle about the money, its huge amounts.

[navyblueshorts]

I guess. He definitely seems to be realising he's got to use his head a bit more (OK, I'm always a bit knee-jerk harsh on footballers' intellects!) and deliver a decent product, either for himself or someone else.
Wanting to play up front is a bit of an issue though isn't it? Not sure how that gets answered at Arsenal (given their current players) even if they did offer him an earth-shattering improvement on his current deal.
I suspect you're right re. what fans want to see but not how sure how that works long-term if a club goes bust.

[1GrumpyGolfer]

He did have a great game but a criticism that can be levelled at him is that he had two great opportunities in the Spurs match to show that he could be, should be, played as a main striker and he wasted both of them. I think in one instance he didn't even manage to get a shot away. But it was a 5-2 win so these get overlooked but when it's a tight game those opportunities need to be taken.

The League Cup is always our problem. We play the kids and fringe players and they perform really well and invariably get to the semis. It starts to get the fans excited that we're going to a final and then we lose. That loss is the catalyst for the rest of the season to be pee'd away. For once I'd like to see him take the League Cup seriously and go out to win it. The players need to learn that trophy winning mentality; the belief that they can perform on a big stage and actually win a trophy.

[Diggers]

Im not sure the playing up front thing is much more than a red herring. Arsenal are a pretty fluid side, lets face it Henry looked like he was playing left wing half the time, players like Messi and Ronaldo will roam around the park and switch positions. As he has improved Walcott has also become less of a line hugger and I think that will continue, we arent talking about a guy playing a classic centre forward Michael Owen type position.
Re going bust, well is that really going to happen to Arsenal ? Winning the Premiership and Champions League also brings massive revenues lets not forget.
Im not suggesting they go Man City crazy, just that they are to a degree cutting off their nose to spite their face.

[1GrumpyGolfer]

Agree on the positional changes during games, all good players can play anywhere across the pitch.

It's interesting to hear part of the reason for Cashley potentially moving away from Chelsea is he would only be offered a one year deal as he is over 30. That's another thing that seems to have come from Arsenal. I'm sure we had players leave because of that. Wonder if Cashley had to pull the car over when his agent phoned him to tell him that news.

[Diggers]

Grumps..Cashley, great player but what a complete____ fill in whatever word you feel is appropriate.
Still, dont think he will have too many problems getting a 3 year deal elsewhere. I can understand why you wouldnt offer more than a year to say Lampard but Id have thought a 2 year deal to Cole might be an acceptable compromise ?

[1GrumpyGolfer]

Not wrong there Digs. I think that's the leverage he will try to use to get a longer deal with Chelsea. Whether it will work is another matter.

[navyblueshorts]

Excellent! Let's hope it sticks when it gets to court:

Brooks and Coulson charged

[navyblueshorts]

Why on Earth is Beckham's decision to leave LA Galaxy the top story on the BBC Sport pages at the moment?????

[JAS]

Because the BBC really have their finger on the pulse of the nation's sporting consciousness

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