Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[mystiroakey]

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Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

Don't be a plank. There's nothing semantic in what I've said. You always say I'm arguing semantics when you don't get what I'm talking about!
You're right re. the spaghetti, butter and TK. It's not great but it's not as bad, nutritionally, as is being made out. As I said before, if they ate that occasionally, what's the issue? If they eat it every day? That's another matter.

its disgusting- the family is overweight.. they should not be eating that sort of food ever! the fact that they even ''like' that sort of food is a big problem.

the mother said she was raised on it!

That is there stock spaghetti dish!

Jamie oliver needs to be sent to that family- its an emergency i tell ya!

[Diggers]

So where do we stand on this Sgt Nightingale getting 18 months for carrying firearms. I know he said he didnt know he had the gun...but then again you would, wouldnt you.
From what I gather its fairly common practise for SAS guys to walk around armed and its often given a blind eye by the police.
Personally Im not happy with that and dont feel they should carry arms off duty, its not like they cant kill you with their bare hands anyway for christs sake ! That said 18 months seems very silly, suspended sentance would have made a lot more sense surely ?

[navyblueshorts]

Depends on how accurate it's being reported Digs. If, as is being said, he was given it as a gift, kept it in a locked box in his belongings, suffered some combat trauma which negatively affected his memory which then led to forgetting it was there when his gear was moved....I can see that this sentence seems harsh bordering on utter stupidity.
What a message to send out to your armed forces - thanks for fighting on a crap salary and, if necessary, getting blown to bits or shot dead by some scum of an Afghanistani turncoat but, you know, we're going stitch you up and give you a jail term without even remotely considering (so it seems) any mitigating circumstances.

[Diggers]

Call me a cynic though Navy, but as what you say is undoubtedbly correct and whoever passed sentance must have known the possibility of a backlash......then surely there must have been more holes in his story than a swiss cheese.

[navyblueshorts]

Maybe. I guess that'll come out in his appeal. Sounds as if he was basically threatened with 5 years so he he was basically forced to plead guilty to get 18 months. I assume this was a military court martial rather than a civil legal case? Not sure I'd trust a court martial to be as open and fair as a public trial.
Still, I guess he'll find out what the appeal court thinks in a few days or so.

I wasn't quite right as it happens. Seems he collapsed on a charity run in the Amazon, spent some time in a coma and on waking up had some major memory issues. You'd think that sort of medical info would be in a file of his somewhere.

[Diggers]

Bad news all round Id guess. Even if he gets let out early presumably he will be discharged if his memory loss is that bad ?

[SpacemanSpiff]

Have a look at this from a well known poster -

https://www.606v2.com/t36790-ten-reasons-armstrong-will-always-be-a-hero

Like number 6 myself.

[navyblueshorts]

Have a look at this from a well known poster -

https://www.606v2.com/t36790-ten-reasons-armstrong-will-always-be-a-hero

Like number 6 myself.

And I thought he was bad enough around here...

[McLaren]

So where do we stand on this Sgt Nightingale getting 18 months for carrying firearms. I know he said he didnt know he had the gun...but then again you would, wouldnt you.
From what I gather its fairly common practise for SAS guys to walk around armed and its often given a blind eye by the police.
Personally Im not happy with that and dont feel they should carry arms off duty, its not like they cant kill you with their bare hands anyway for christs sake ! That said 18 months seems very silly, suspended sentance would have made a lot more sense surely ?

So where do I stand. It us pretty simple really, for good reasons members of the public (which is all he his) cannot keep certain types of weapon at home. He chose to ignore this - since when is ignorance a defence - and should therefore face the consequences. I am no fan of locking people up but given the dangers to society of keeping guns unofficially 18 months seems fair.

[super_realist]

Mac, as usual you aren't in possession of the facts and have jumped to conclusions.

He was never in physical possession of the gun in the UK, but it was in his property.

It was packed, and unpacked for him whilst he was away on active service with the SAS. He was never even in the country whilst it was in his house.

18 months is a bit harsh when people get less for pretty dreadful assault on a saturday night or killing someone by drunk driving.

There is no evidence that the gun was deliberately concealed or purposely hidden or smuggled into the UK. Yes, he should be punished because it was in his property and unlicenced, but many people get just a suspended sentence in similar circumstances.

[Diggers]

Super, I think you are confusing the facts with Nightingales version of events, which may or may not be 100% accurate.

[super_realist]

Well that is what is Lawyer is arguing on appeal, i've no reason to doubt it.

I'm sure they are more factual than Mac's interpretation garnered from The Guardian or Socialist Worker

[mystiroakey]

18 months is ridculas tbh.

But then someone has to agree with Judge mental that gave him that sentance!

[JAS]

So where do we stand on this Sgt Nightingale getting 18 months for carrying firearms. I know he said he didnt know he had the gun...but then again you would, wouldnt you.
From what I gather its fairly common practise for SAS guys to walk around armed and its often given a blind eye by the police.
Personally Im not happy with that and dont feel they should carry arms off duty, its not like they cant kill you with their bare hands anyway for christs sake ! That said 18 months seems very silly, suspended sentance would have made a lot more sense surely ?

So where do I stand. It us pretty simple really, for good reasons members of the public (which is all he his) cannot keep certain types of weapon at home. He chose to ignore this - since when is ignorance a defence - and should therefore face the consequences. I am no fan of locking people up but given the dangers to society of keeping guns unofficially 18 months seems fair.

So...if you went on holiday Mac (lets say to St Andrews) and while you were away your girlfriend decides to let a couple of Jakey's into your house who then decide to store a fairly sizeable stash of smack in your room. The polis then find it and everyone says it yours....happy to go to jail??

[Diggers]

We don't know that's what happened Jas, that's just his story. As I said before apparently its common practise for SAS guys to keep weapons so its perfectly possible he was totally aware of what was going on.
Presumably that's the view the military court took , maybe the appeal will have a different view

[pedro]

I never go on a date with a loaded gun. But even if I did I wouldn't know.

[JAS]

We don't know that's what happened Jas, that's just his story. As I said before apparently its common practise for SAS guys to keep weapons so its perfectly possible he was totally aware of what was going on.
Presumably that's the view the military court took , maybe the appeal will have a different view

I know that Digs I'm just wondering what the view is from the liberal moral high ground if/when the boot is on the other foot.

[McLaren]

Why did he even attempt to bring it back to the UK, given we all know guns of that nature (especially when accompanied by armour piercing bullets) are highly illegal? Whether he knew at what point it entered his home or not does not matter, what he did know is that it was to be sent to his home in the UK at some point. His actions meant that at some point it was guaranteed an illegal weapon would be stored in his home.

You really have to wonder why he even accepted such a gift in the first place.

I am happy to see those who bring and the store such weapons into the EU punished in this way.

[super_realist]

Mac, have you not read anything about it? His version of the story, and I've no reason to doubt it is that it was packed for him, and unpacked whilst he was OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

As far as we can tell he was never in possession of it whilst in the UK other than it being in his property. That's why the sentence is harsh.

Also the majority of the bullets, were for a completely different weapon. He had also recently suffered trauma to the brain.

For all we know, he didn't even know it had been packed in the first place.

I hope I never come up in front of Judge, Jury and Executioner Mac.

[Diggers]

If it was packed for him and he didn't know about it....which personally I doubt to he honest...then why haven't the guys who packed it been prosecuted ?
That would be a criminal offence In sure and yet no action taken though the book was thrown at Nightingale.
Sorry I don't buy it, also and I'm not sure why people keep ignoring this, the fact is SAS guys do often carry arms off duty which again suggests he would know about the weapon.

[super_realist]

Probably because packing a gun on a military base isn't illegal Diggers, and how would he know about it being packed if he was in hospital or away from the location of the gun when it was packed?

All he's guilty of is having an unlicenced gun in his property whilst he wasn't there. Hardly worth 18 months.

I very much doubt SAS guys carry guns off duty either. I would imagine the terms of their gun licences only allow them to carry them on active duty.

I'm sure many of the scumbags on London streets get less for possession, and they actually have intent.

His prosecution by the letter of the law is probably correct, but there isn't much common sense in it.

[McLaren]

Super

My point, which I think is a pretty simple one, is that he must have known what his set of possessions were before they were sent to the UK. So he must have assumed the pistol would have arrived with the rest of it. Did he think it had fallen out the back of the plane?

It seems like a simple case and one where I fully trust the legal system to get it right.

It is just guys like you that get a hard on over the military that cant bare to think one of our 'heroes' could commit a crime.

[super_realist]

Perhaps he thought that the weapon would be sent to the appropriate place as they are meant to be.

Mind you, I'd nver trust anyone to pack my bags. He's guilty of stupidity, that's all really.

[mystiroakey]

what do you mean he just suffered trauma to his head! mental or physical?

[navyblueshorts]

...It is just guys like you that get a hard on over the military that cant bare to think one of our 'heroes' could commit a crime.

Why don't you go and READ about the case before commenting? Do you not think mitigating circumstances should be looked at? Diggers may well be right in that there's more to this than is in the public domain but at least he's got the sense to at least want to consider that it's not as black and white as you're painting it.

[navyblueshorts]

what do you mean he just suffered trauma to his head! mental or physical?

He went on some mad charity run in the Amazon and collapsed, was in a coma for a while afterward and when he awoke had some documented memory problems.

[mystiroakey]

oh ta.. that sounds kinda odd!

i think this is weird tbh. The judge seems way to hard core for my liking. but i suppose if your gonna do a crime, or not pack your own bags expect the punishment worst punishment- or get a decent lawyer!!

I mean in all fairness i know he is in a totally different situation to must of us that go abroad- but the whole pack your own bags thing and dont let anyone touch em is within our minds !!

But 18 months means what 6 months or is it 9 months with probation!

still harsh though

[McLaren]

...It is just guys like you that get a hard on over the military that cant bare to think one of our 'heroes' could commit a crime.

:picard: Why don't you go and READ about the case before commenting? Do you not think mitigating circumstances should be looked at? Diggers may well be right in that there's more to this than is in the public domain but at least he's got the sense to at least want to consider that it's not as black and white as you're painting it.

Navy, come on. Dont you just hate all the military fawning that goes on?

If this guy had been an unemployed immigrant people would be calling for a sentence ten times as long.

[mystiroakey]

well your kind of right mac..Maybe he is like Brody out of homeland and he got turned into a millitant muslem!

[Bob_the_Job]

.. this guy had been an unemployed immigrant people would be calling for a sentence ten times as long.

"People"? Don't you mean Daily Mail readers? Please don't confuse the two groups.

[super_realist]

Anyone else bored of hearing about Leveson and Hillsborough?

[Diggers]

Hilsborough yes, but Id like to hear the Leveson findings as thats something that will probably effect us all going forwards.

[super_realist]

How a conversation between me and Mac might go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrR2xKCzZpg

[mystiroakey]

yeah ok- but which ones which- i mean neither of ya are the type to throw a party!!

[Skydriver]

Here's a headline worthy of a chuckle:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20538417

s_r said something about a baseball bat not too long ago...?

[mystiroakey]

oh dear like more people are gonna go and make the ryder cup any more of a success than it will be anyway- because of that fat ugly fish.

[Diggers]

Its the 200k for setting up the program that gets me. No doubt some external consultancy charging stupid rates...because they can.....to come up with what should be stark staringly obvious. And the scary thing is that happens for so many govt initiatives, complete waste of cash.

[Doon the Water]

Its the 200k for setting up the program that gets me. No doubt some external consultancy charging stupid rates...because they can.....to come up with what should be stark staringly obvious. And the scary thing is that happens for so many govt initiatives, complete waste of cash.

Very true in Scotland Diggers.
In a country were every golfer considers themselves 'experts' it is amazing how much money is wasted by national and local government on consultants who either state the bleedin obvious or ask everyone involved and copy the best bits of what they say.

I once gave a consultant a piece of pretty outrageous information which I was staggered he used.
When it came through the system under his companies name there was some serious public outrage.

[Bob_the_Job]

Haha "£8,125 for logistics"... or taxis as they're more usually known.

[super_realist]

I wonder what his food bill was? Good job he didn't take Shane Lowry along.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy, come on. Dont you just hate all the military fawning that goes on?

If this guy had been an unemployed immigrant people would be calling for a sentence ten times as long.

Yep, sometimes I definitely do but I do have a lot of respect for those that decide to join the military. The politicians that make cheap decisions to employ the military on the other hand.....

[Diggers]

Yes , I remember that Maverick was a proud military man......yeah right

[super_realist]

Seems like his sentence has been commuted to "suspended"

Common sense prevails.

[mystiroakey]

oh good stuff!

[McLaren]

Yes , I remember that Maverick was a proud military man......yeah right :laugh:

You right, did he not claim to have been stationed in Germany and play football for one of the clubs at a fairly decent level.

[McLaren]

.. this guy had been an unemployed immigrant people would be calling for a sentence ten times as long.

"People"? Don't you mean Daily Mail readers? Please don't confuse the two groups.

Given who we have in power I assumed most people were reading the mail these days.

[McLaren]

"£202,600 was spent on programme delivery"

Having worked for the government I bet thats to cover the costs of sending several dumb arsed civil servants.

[mystiroakey]

would you complain if you were sent to the ryder cup!!>>>??

[super_realist]

"£202,600 was spent on programme delivery"

Having worked for the government I bet thats to cover the costs of sending several dumb arsed civil servants.

Librarian/Admin Assistant/Cleaner/ Tampon box remover?

[Diggers]

Seems like his sentence has been commuted to "suspended"

Common sense prevails.

What strikes me as odd is him keeping the bullets. I can just about buy him saying he was planning on handing the gun over but just never got round to it (in 5 years...) but a gun without bullets isnt much use and he also kept 500 rounds of armour piercing ammo.

[super_realist]

It was 300 at last count.

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