Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[mystiroakey]

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Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

Don't be a plank. There's nothing semantic in what I've said. You always say I'm arguing semantics when you don't get what I'm talking about!
You're right re. the spaghetti, butter and TK. It's not great but it's not as bad, nutritionally, as is being made out. As I said before, if they ate that occasionally, what's the issue? If they eat it every day? That's another matter.

its disgusting- the family is overweight.. they should not be eating that sort of food ever! the fact that they even ''like' that sort of food is a big problem.

the mother said she was raised on it!

That is there stock spaghetti dish!

Jamie oliver needs to be sent to that family- its an emergency i tell ya!

[mystiroakey]

I see approx 100 london schools a year.

80% of those schools are falling down,and hardly get any moeny spent on them, 20% of them(in the nicer cahement areas) get rebuilt and upgraded every few years, when they look perfectly subtible allready!

I dont understand what the heck is going on. But money gets thrown away on shooling, and i seriously wonder if that money should be spent at other schools.

I run a firm that does alot of work for schools. Some of the things we do is fire extinguishing serviceing, fire risk assesments.

We have been approached by many of the schools(or approached them) that we allready do electrical work for to do the fire as we could possibly save them each 4k a year on fire serives.

When we get to the final stages they come back and say no sorry the council are forcing us to remain with chubb(who charge them double what we are prepared to do the work for)- They hate this but this is just one example of the waste that goes on in regards to what schools pay out for.. They pay through the nose and if there were allowed to make there own decisions with sense they would all be so much better off..

drives me mad anyway!!

[mystiroakey]

I think that's an old wives tale Oakey.

Someone posted a link to a set of blades that only had the number on them and nothing else. They looked awesome.

Its a minefield of gossip isnt it

[Diggers]

I see approx 100 london schools a year.

80% of those schools are falling down,and hardly get any moeny spent on them, 20% of them(in the nicer cahement areas) get rebuilt and upgraded every few years, when they look perfectly subtible allready!

I dont understand what the heck is going on. But money gets thrown away on shooling, and i seriously wonder if that money should be spent at other schools.

I run a firm that does alot of work for schools. Some of the things we do is fire extinguishing serviceing, fire risk assesments.

We have been approached by many of the schools(or approached them) that we allready do electrical work for to do the fire as we could possibly save them each 4k a year on fire serives.

When we get to the final stages they come back and say no sorry the council are forcing us to remain with chubb(who charge them double what we are prepared to do the work for)- They hate this but this is just one example of the waste that goes on in regards to what schools pay out for.. They pay through the nose and if there were allowed to make there own decisions with sense they would all be so much better off..

drives me mad anyway!!

Ive nothing against spending money building new schools, the comp near me has just got a new building and its gone from being shocking to hitting Ofsted outstanding. A lot of new schools on the south coast as they were amongst the last to get the guaranteed funding from Labour. The Torys just took away that funding and now they are putting some back but will the same list of schools get it ? As Mysti says somehow I doubt it will be alocated to the areas that most need it.
I hate the free school concept (not blaming theTorys here by the way). Instead of helping a struggling school lets build another one which draws a lot of the kids who get more parental support at home...making it more of a struggle for the existing school to hit targets and get funding. Its a downward spiral. And a lot of the free schools are being funded in areas like say Suffolk where there isnt even a shortage of school places, whilst the rest of the country is having to ship their kids on a couple of bus journeys to get to school.
I cant think of a single area of policy in this country over the years that is as messed up as education.

[super_realist]

Some elements of the HRA are pretty barmy.

[mystiroakey]

I am happy to spend money on education- and at the cost of social serivces and policing- it makes sense- in the long run (if the money is spent well)- we would need less resources for social servics and policing. The kids are the future cliche!

However the amount of money spent on red tape and health and saftey is becoming ridiculas- The money never seems to get filtered back to the kids. Now if it wasnt for the before i would be in a different job- ao I am happy this country is so concious.. But when I know that these costs are being doubled due to basically curropt council workers, probally taking back handers it makes me sick...

[navyblueshorts]

....I cant think of a single area of policy in this country over the years that is as messed up as education.

Spot on. It's absurd from the very top to the very bottom. Laughable that the idiot politicians think UK graduates/students can seriously compete in a labour market with overseas competition.

[navyblueshorts]

...due to basically curropt council workers, probally taking back handers it makes me sick...

Sure it's the Council workers? You mentioned Chubb - they know damned well that they're doing Council work and therefore charge a ridiculous price which they'd never get away with if the were doing fire services for a private concern. We have similar where I am - costs ~33% more for estates work to be done via 'preferred suppliers' than it would do to independently source similar work from elsewhere.

[mystiroakey]

Its the biggest problem with the public sector- And why privatising industries makes sense.

We have a massive chain of harris academies around my area(schools, but not in the normal state school sense)- good schools as well- get the funding but are supposedly supposed to have complete control of there own finacing and school policy(to an extent)- but even they are supposedly pushed into to using the preffered suppliers!

I have possibly wasted 100 man hours on these schools only to get told last minute that they cant ship chubb!- we even recieved Purchase orders for the work!!

[Diggers]

But Chubb arent a public firm Mysti(which obviously you know way better than me) , they are just a big firm so as far as local govt are concerned they will only deal with one supplier rather than say 10, you can call it laziness or cutting back on admin costs, Im sure both are true.
Ive used Chubb and they do overcharge, the local authority should be using their leverage to make a bulk deal with them but Im sure lots of back handers are involved.
I dont really see how privatisation applies here, I certainly wouldnt privatise the school system as we would end up with an even bigger divide and you cant privatise local authorities obviously.

[mystiroakey]

No I not talking about chubb being public- they are clearly private

I am talking about what happens in the public sector, either they dont give a monkies about costs (which all private sector does) or they are taken backhanders to give firms like chubb the work.

[Doon the Water]

I see approx 100 london schools a year.

80% of those schools are falling down,and hardly get any moeny spent on them, 20% of them(in the nicer cahement areas) get rebuilt and upgraded every few years, when they look perfectly subtible allready!

I dont understand what the heck is going on. But money gets thrown away on shooling, and i seriously wonder if that money should be spent at other schools.

I run a firm that does alot of work for schools. Some of the things we do is fire extinguishing serviceing, fire risk assesments.

We have been approached by many of the schools(or approached them) that we allready do electrical work for to do the fire as we could possibly save them each 4k a year on fire serives.

When we get to the final stages they come back and say no sorry the council are forcing us to remain with chubb(who charge them double what we are prepared to do the work for)- They hate this but this is just one example of the waste that goes on in regards to what schools pay out for.. They pay through the nose and if there were allowed to make there own decisions with sense they would all be so much better off..

drives me mad anyway!!

Ive nothing against spending money building new schools, the comp near me has just got a new building and its gone from being shocking to hitting Ofsted outstanding. A lot of new schools on the south coast as they were amongst the last to get the guaranteed funding from Labour. The Torys just took away that funding and now they are putting some back but will the same list of schools get it ? As Mysti says somehow I doubt it will be alocated to the areas that most need it.
I hate the free school concept (not blaming theTorys here by the way). Instead of helping a struggling school lets build another one which draws a lot of the kids who get more parental support at home...making it more of a struggle for the existing school to hit targets and get funding. Its a downward spiral. And a lot of the free schools are being funded in areas like say Suffolk where there isnt even a shortage of school places, whilst the rest of the country is having to ship their kids on a couple of bus journeys to get to school.
I cant think of a single area of policy in this country over the years that is as messed up as education.

Assume you mean England guys?

[navyblueshorts]

...Assume you mean England guys?

Maybe, although wait until Scottish education has to be funded from purely Scottish sources...

[navyblueshorts]

No I not talking about chubb being public- they are clearly private

I am talking about what happens in the public sector, either they dont give a monkies about costs (which all private sector does) or they are taken backhanders to give firms like chubb the work.

It's not just the public sector at fault here Mysti. Chubb know it's public money but they still inflate the costs. More fool the public sector for paying them but I'd argue Chubb etc need to be strung up for inflating the prices they charge the public sector.

[Diggers]

No I not talking about chubb being public- they are clearly private

I am talking about what happens in the public sector, either they dont give a monkies about costs (which all private sector does) or they are taken backhanders to give firms like chubb the work.

It's not just the public sector at fault here Mysti. Chubb know it's public money but they still inflate the costs. More fool the public sector for paying them but I'd argue Chubb etc need to be strung up for inflating the prices they charge the public sector.

But therein lies the rub. People call for privatisation of certaion sectors...but the nature of privatisation means that the firms involved will be looking to make as big a profit as possible. Look at the power and water companies as examples. Profits go up...and yet so do prices.

[mystiroakey]

All i know is that - this situation affects me financially!

The individual schools have agreed for my company to do the work- even set it all up and sent me the PO's for the work then a few days before the first job was to be carried out i have had calls from the bursars off schools that are supposedly allowed to run there own spending telling me that the council(bromley and croydon in this example) are forcing them to stick with chubb- this money comes out of the schools budget that they are given from the council!

[Diggers]

Maybe Chubb have some pics of Micheal Gove in a gimp outfit about to be rogered by Osborne.

[Doon the Water]

Can anyone name a council golf course that has been improved by competitive tendering [not leasing]

[puligny]

Doon - Southampton may be an example though I do not know the detail of the financial/ownership arrangements which have been put in place. Certainly improved out of all recognition over the last 2 years under 'new management'.

[gaelgowfer]

Ok then, Prince Charles is delighted at the prospect of becoming a grandfather. So, then, wonder what grandchild will call Camilla?

[Slowride]

Ok then, Prince Charles is delighted at the prospect of becoming a grandfather. So, then, wonder what grandchild will call Camilla?

what does any child call a step grandmother? just because it is camzilla doesnt make it any different to many families in the uk - possibly even a majority of families these days?

[navyblueshorts]

Ok then, Prince Charles is delighted at the prospect of becoming a grandfather. So, then, wonder what grandchild will call Camilla?

Eh??? Grandma? Nan? Take your pick....

[super_realist]

Considering all royals look like boiled horses I suppose you could call her anything equine.

Not sure why you would care really, in fact I really can't see any interest in Kate and william at all. How sad must your life be to care about a pair of half witted numpties you'll never ever meet.

[gaelgowfer]

Ok then, Prince Charles is delighted at the prospect of becoming a grandfather. So, then, wonder what grandchild will call Camilla?

Eh??? Grandma? Nan? Take your pick....

Hmm ... 'twasn't meant to be taken seriously. Given she won't be the biological grandmother not to mention she's t'other woman ...

Never mind.

[mystiroakey]

the grandchild will probally calll Camilla- godzilla.

[Doon the Water]

Ok then, Prince Charles is delighted at the prospect of becoming a grandfather. So, then, wonder what grandchild will call Camilla?

Neigh Neigh [nana]

[SpacemanSpiff]

'cameron supports gay marriage'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20642428

Any strong views on this?

Personally, I don't think you should force a church to do something they don't want to, but if they do then so be it. I do think you must have some sort of mental defect if you fancy the same sex as yourself, bit weird to me.

[super_realist]

I've no idea why a straight or homosexual couple would want to get married in a church anyway.

[mystiroakey]

Well the reason is clear.

And nothing to do with religion. many girls/women have dreamt of there perfect wedding as a child- this can involve a church. they want it realised.

[super_realist]

It's quite hypocritical though if you aren't a bible thumper.

[mystiroakey]

very true..

but let the prettier sex have there dream i suppose!

[barragan]

not really. 'bible thumpers' don't associate a church building to be anything more than a building whose use happens to be a place of worship. 'the church' is the group of people who come together to share fellowship, not the building itself. ergo, church buildings are more than suitable and functionally ideal for anyone to tie the knot - believer or otherwise.

[super_realist]

I think most people would consider them a building whose primary use was in terms of religion, therefore as a sane person I would absolutely not get married in one.

[Skydriver]

Seeing as it's the season for terrible puns -

Q: What do you call it if Bubba/Simpson/Fowler/Crane et al score an ace?
A: A Holy One

[Oops - broke the thread rules by talking golf. I'll ban myself...]

[barragan]

many churches have a great many uses. office space during the week, nursery / toddler groups, AA meetings, music lessons. it would only be 'hypocritical' in my eye if you got married in a church and had a service which was particularly religious, and the couple were pretending to be religious, but that's not quite the same thing. architecturally speaking i can see great appeal for being married in an atmospheric / picturesque church whether as a believer or not. the marriage service is not strictly a religious ceremony, it is primarily a legal ceremony.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Now getting your child christened when non-religous, that is hypocritical. Amazing how often that happens.

[navyblueshorts]

Given she won't be the biological grandmother not to mention she's t'other woman ...

And the relevance of either of those facts is what exactly? It's about what she is/does in that role as opposed to some daft idea that a blood relative would make a better fist of the role.

[navyblueshorts]

not really. 'bible thumpers' don't associate a church building to be anything more than a building whose use happens to be a place of worship. 'the church' is the group of people who come together to share fellowship, not the building itself. ergo, church buildings are more than suitable and functionally ideal for anyone to tie the knot - believer or otherwise.

Interesting point well made. I presume a church would allow a secular service to take place then? I doubt it but maybe they would. For me, I'm with S_R - much as I admire the architecture of churches, there's no way I was getting married in one as it would have smacked of hypocrisy to me.

[golfermartin]

many churches have a great many uses. office space during the week, nursery / toddler groups, AA meetings, music lessons. it would only be 'hypocritical' in my eye if you got married in a church and had a service which was particularly religious, and the couple were pretending to be religious, but that's not quite the same thing. architecturally speaking i can see great appeal for being married in an atmospheric / picturesque church whether as a believer or not. the marriage service is not strictly a religious ceremony, it is primarily a legal ceremony.

Try getting married in a church without any prayers and without being blessed by the vicar... Of course the background to a church wedding is religious. If you want a non religious service, have a civil ceremony.

[super_realist]

Bloody hell, apparently the nurse at the centre of the Australian Radio show hoax has been found dead.

[kwinigolfer]

That is tragic, not as if it was her fault anyway. Awful. Looks like the Aussies took out the wrong target - hardly their fault though either.

Some soul-searching to be done at King Edwards I would think - if they have any soul.

[mystiroakey]

I think most people would consider them a building whose primary use was in terms of religion, therefore as a sane person I would absolutely not get married in one.

sr do you think this kind of millitant attitude with everything is kind of why you havent got a bird.

i mean at the end of the day what does it matter- its all fun and games right!!

and the fact is you believe that there is no one to answser to - so use and abuse the church for a wedding, if offcourse a wife to be wanted it!!

[super_realist]

I don't think my stance of a church as an inappropriate wedding venue for aetheists is the reason I don't have a bird.
For a start I wouldn't /couldn't go out with a girl who held religious beliefs so it wouldn't even get as far as talking about a venue.

Religious belief is not that common in people under 40 anyway, or amongst those who went to school or are inquisitive so it's certainly not a reason as to why I don't have the Casanova touch.

[mystiroakey]

No SR you miss the pointl. I am talking about the fact that you care so much about stuff that people just find so trivial!!

I mean just be chilled about it all. Nothing wrong with posting on message boards that these things are hypocritical or stupid when we think about them- i do it all the time. But its the stance that "I WOULD never ever do such a thing because i am sane"!!!

There are milions that get married in a church and they are completly sane!!

thats my point dude

[golfermartin]

My wife is Catholic and goes to church each Sunday. I am atheist and do not. We respect each other's views and it is not a source of conflict.

[mystiroakey]

Exactly the way it should be golfer!

I am agnostic myself but there you go. Fact is if i am being very honest I find atheism almost as narrow minded as many religions.

But i would never ever chose not to date someone or be friends with someone or respect there opinons due to there beliefs!

[mystiroakey]

btw golfer - you were married in a cathloic church wernt ya!! the ceromony was probally really long as well!!

[Bob_the_Job]

...you havent got a bird.

Oh I'm sorry.. I seem to have accidently wandered into a 1980's British sitcom. I'll just start up the Allegro and move on.

[mystiroakey]

sorry was that expression abit to dated!!

or

trying to help out SR by the way- He openly admits that he is a lost cause (sometimes anyway!!)

it wasnt a cuss or anything!(sorry is cuss dated an all!! )

[super_realist]

Oakey, I couldn't go out with someone who was religious, because in my view (whether you agree with it or not) it shows them to be incredibly stupid and wasteful of their time.

By the way, just got a new aftershave made of breadcrumbs............the birds love it.

[mystiroakey]

Good man.....

I have this funny feeling you are gonna mellow and find someone you will argue with all the time(in a passionate way of course)..

If only Mac was a good looking girl hey!

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