Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[mystiroakey]

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Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

Don't be a plank. There's nothing semantic in what I've said. You always say I'm arguing semantics when you don't get what I'm talking about!
You're right re. the spaghetti, butter and TK. It's not great but it's not as bad, nutritionally, as is being made out. As I said before, if they ate that occasionally, what's the issue? If they eat it every day? That's another matter.

its disgusting- the family is overweight.. they should not be eating that sort of food ever! the fact that they even ''like' that sort of food is a big problem.

the mother said she was raised on it!

That is there stock spaghetti dish!

Jamie oliver needs to be sent to that family- its an emergency i tell ya!

[super_realist]

On another note, I see the are at it again.

[golfermartin]

btw golfer - you were married in a cathloic church wernt ya!! the ceromony was probally really long as well!!

As it happens we had a civil ceremony and the reception was at the golf club - marriage on a shoestring!!

[mystiroakey]

What ....that's not helping my cause golfer....

[golfermartin]

What ....that's not helping my cause golfer....

Sorreeee! I suppose I could have told an untruth to help you along - that must happen quite a lot on here?

Btw - she wanted to get married in church but being a divorcee (shock horror) it couldn't be done!

[super_realist]

Hope she didn't wear white either Golfer, the harlot.

[mystiroakey]

jeas i just saw your location golfer- i live round the corner from ya!! in chislehurst at the moment

[SmithersJones]

What ....that's not helping my cause golfer....

Allow me to step into the void. I'm an atheist, married in a catholic church to a catholic girl, and our daughter was christened in the same church earlier this year. I mumbled and disavowed quietly instead of lying in both ceremonies.

My wife is an intelligent woman, qualified accountant and senior manager with a major international corporation. She still believes but hardly ever goes to church. Catholics, more than protestants but probably in a similar fashion to muslims and jews are so heavily indoctrinated from birth that it's by far easier to go along with the nonsense than upset family by rejecting it. That doesn't make them stupid, or weak, just unfortunate.

[Hibbz]

Smithers, I'm not sure why you'd describe those with faith as unfortunate.

I'm a non-believer but I've always been very jealous of people who, when the sh!t is really hitting the fan, have the feeling that someone is looking out for them.

[kwinigolfer]

Pillocks are the same the world over.


But doesn't the "Royal College Of Nursing" CEO, coincidentally called Carter (brother maybe?) take the biscuit?

A distraught nurse, who tried to do the right thing and respond to a call in the (apparently prolonged) absence of a trained receptionist, kills herself and the best this t0ssp0t can say is she made "a simple human error".

SHE didn't make the error, the chinless wonders who run the King Edward hospital made the error - not having full coverage, not offering their private patients privacy.

Good Lord, these are the same guys who would take the caddiemaster outside for execution at dawn if an interloper set foot on the sacred turf of an exclusive private golf club.

What a tragedy, compounded by the fact that the real guilty parties rush to shift any blame to totally innocent parties. Effing idiots.

[Hibbz]

The Colin Hunts who think prank calls and trying to find out private information constitute humour are the ones to blame in my opinion Kwini.

[SmithersJones]

Smithers, I'm not sure why you'd describe those with faith as unfortunate.

I'm a non-believer but I've always been very jealous of people who, when the sh!t is really hitting the fan, have the feeling that someone is looking out for them.

I meant they're unfortunate to be born into a religion that won't let them go even if they want to leave.

[1GrumpyGolfer]

I'm a non-believer but I've always been very jealous of people who, when the sh!t is really hitting the fan, have the feeling that someone is looking out for them.

Although they're the scariest people to find on the roads, Hibbz. They're the ones that don't care how they drive because their god will look after them. Luckily you can give some a wide berth because they have the fish symbol on the back of the car, others are not so easy to spot.

[kwinigolfer]

Hibbz,
Differing points of view there - whether public figures are fair game or whether, having presumably paid for privacy, they should get it.

Regardless, it is a disgrace that some jumped up CEO of a Quango implies that the late nurse made an error.

[navyblueshorts]

...they have the fish symbol on the back of the car, others are not so easy to spot.

I'd quite like one of those spoof Darwin versions of that fish. You know the one? Has legs on a fishy body....

[mystiroakey]

Yeha good one NBS..

But what about just an ocselotte..Them fishes have faces and hands!!

[oldshanker]

Yeha good one NBS..

But what about just an ocselotte..Them fishes have faces and hands!!

???.........No, it's no good. I just haven't got a scooby doo what you are trying to say there Mysti!

[mystiroakey]

yeah lol..

ermm let me get the correct spelling for ya.....

[mystiroakey]

oh jeas i cant find it- My spelling is so bad i cant even find it myself------!!!

anyway its from the species of polyptreous..


This is a fish that can live in the water or land- it has only half evolved and is one of the oldest living species on planet earth.. A good nod to evolotion!

[super_realist]

The creationist/new earth believers, a theory popular in America are the maddest of the lot.
Normal religion through indoctrination might be almost understandable but that is borderline lunacy.

There is some very funny stuff on YouTube of Dawkins and Stephen Fry ridiculing them.

[mystiroakey]

This is my fav ever movie scene!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVNJBiC_q5U

[gaelgowfer]

Pillocks are the same the world over.


But doesn't the "Royal College Of Nursing" CEO, coincidentally called Carter (brother maybe?) take the biscuit?

A distraught nurse, who tried to do the right thing and respond to a call in the (apparently prolonged) absence of a trained receptionist, kills herself and the best this t0ssp0t can say is she made "a simple human error".

SHE didn't make the error, the chinless wonders who run the King Edward hospital made the error - not having full coverage, not offering their private patients privacy.

Good Lord, these are the same guys who would take the caddiemaster outside for execution at dawn if an interloper set foot on the sacred turf of an exclusive private golf club.

What a tragedy, compounded by the fact that the real guilty parties rush to shift any blame to totally innocent parties. Effing idiots.

Well said kwini. King Edward VII is a private hospital and it seems inconceivable they don't appear to have at least one 24/7 properly trained receptionist on duty ... particularly given this is the hospital used by the Royal Family. Un-bel-ievable!

And the tories want us to go down the private route?

[super_realist]

What's it got to do with the Tories and where have they said they want us to go down the private route?
This could just have easily have happened in an NHS hospital.

I suspect the poor nurse had some underlying issues if something as silly as this pushed her over the edge.

[mystiroakey]

i completely agree SR- we caqnt blame anyone in tis case..

The aussie tw"ts(which they certainly were at the time) are just that. But something like this cant push someone over the edge unless there are very close to the cliff in the first place..

[kwinigolfer]

Don't think the Royal Family would turn up at an NHS Hospital.

mysti,
Of course there's blame, as gael says, it's an institutional failure by King Eddie's, probably outsourced the receptionist's job to China and didn't think anyone would notice.
Complete and utter dunderheads - and I don't blame the Aussies for one minute; if the establishment want privacy, and I think they should have it, then they should make damn sure they send their princesses somewhere that can offer them that privacy. Not a bunch of part-timers.

And then to come out over her dead body and say there was "human error" - yes, you moron, the dumkopfs who run the bloody place.

[mystiroakey]

Kiwi sorry maybe i should have explained myself better- i am talking about blaming others for her taking her life.. There is offcourse blame in the fact that private stuff was leaked..

But at the same time i do find the proivacy thing very trivial when we are also discussing a suicide!

[super_realist]

It might seem a little harsh but I've got to put some blame on the tragically deceased nurse for this. First of all the Queen or any other member of the Royal Family would never phone up personally, even an idiot would know this, secondly the impression was so bad and riddled with innaccuracies that only someone completely stupid would fall for it.

No idea why she'd want to kill herself over it though. Seems a bit drastic, after all the Royal Family didn't even make a complaint.

[mystiroakey]

this is the truth of it. The nurse was clearly mentaly unstable and we can assess that fact by her taken her own life. The fact she was depressed could have been the reason why she leaked info and made that mistake-- However I feel for her familyu and her(while she was alive) way more than a family over a bit of info leaked(royal or not)

Its trivial in my eyes..Some people are taking this to the extreme, and lets be honest so did she!!

mistakes happen- thats it.. it wasnt abig one for me. Lifes more important..

Anyone that cares so much about the royal family needs to think about what motivates them tbh.. Celebrity is a stoopid concept- almost as bad as religion!

[super_realist]

Lorraine Pascale in a crisp white shirt certainly brightens up a cold, wet golfless saturday morning.

[mystiroakey]

what the cheffy women!!

A bit of a choc ice isnt she..

sorry PC dudes....

[kwinigolfer]

I think you guys have got this upside down.

If you turn up at the airport for a 5.30 a.m. flight and you are told that BA are not covering that shift so the pilot's not there but the ticket agent, professionally qualified, just not at flying, will fly your plane, you'd most likely choose a different airline. Nothing against the ticket agent, it's the airline's fault.

Same here - there should be a protocol to ensure privacy every step of the way.

I just took Mrs kwini to start her shift, at the hospital. I can assure you, any breach of patient confidentiality is a firing offence, whatever the circumstances.
The people who run King Eddie's should be fired for facilitating invasion of confidentiality - it's not the nurse's fault, it's the system which the managements puts in place.

[mystiroakey]

oh yeah the ultimate blame is allways at the top. i agree on that score. but as i have said it seems abit trivial to me..

[super_realist]

I've no interest in privacy issues. I couldn't care less about the Royals, and while there should have been a proper receptionist on the desk, you'd have to be a monumental idiot to give out personal details over the phone. Surely anyone in every industry knows that don't they?

The responsibility of course ultimately lies with the hospital, but the nurse is crassly stupid to say anything over the phone at all as it's unthinkable that she has never been told not to divulge anything over the phone.

[kwinigolfer]

guys,
All I'm saying is that the old proverbial "Murphy is an optimist" is true.

Management has facilitated a breach of privacy where what can go wrong has gone wrong, but then the tosspots blame "human error". That human error is at the very top, the guys who line their wallets with the fees from private care.

Anyway, unimaginable tragedy for the nurse who took her life; don't suppose King Eddie's executives will be too fussed about that when they sip their pink gins down the club.

[super_realist]

Well Kwini, we don't really know as to whether the staff at said Hospital were constantly reminded that it was against the policy of the hospital to divulge confidential information. Whether or not this nurse should have been answering the phone is a different matter. We don't know.

It's unimaginable that the nurse didn't know this in regard confidentiality. I have access to private and NHS treatment and it could easily happen in both, doesn't excuse it happening, but even with the most rigid controls an empty headed (or mentally unstable ) nurse could quite easily divulge information by mistake or be duped (incredibly in this case) into passing information.

King Eddies haven't handled it very well for sure.

[gaelgowfer]

As I understand it, she didn't take the call. It was passed onto her. So, it's entirely conceivable she thought clearance to reveal confidential information was ok.

I just hope that in the fullness of time, the hospital administrators are held to account for what seems to me to be shortcomings in how they process incoming calls ... starting with the ceo's head!

[super_realist]

Hardly worth killing yourself over though, not the CEO's fault she did that, and I doubt people would be calling for their heads to roll if she hadn't topped herself.

[golfermartin]

My understanding is that the nurse who committed suicide is not the nurse that revealed confidential information, she was the nurse who took the hoax call though and was persuaded to forward the call to Kate's ward. The thing I don't understand is why the "Queen and Prince Phillip" would be calling at 5:30am and why Kate might have been awake to take the call at that hour?

[golfermartin]

jeas i just saw your location golfer- i live round the corner from ya!! in chislehurst at the moment

Mystir, where do you play your golf at the moment then?

[mystiroakey]

Didnt renew my membership this year at Croham hurst(been a member there on and off for 25 years!- south croydon)- weather was just awfull and I thought i would leave it for a year so been playing all over really..

however I lived in a flat above chislehurst GC club house at the start of this year for 4 months- whilst i was buying my new place..

and I got plenty of free rounds there an all!

I will probally rejoin next april or something- maybe somewhere closer to where i live now!

I was thinking about sundridge park- Which is an exeptional track(2 courses as well) with great facilities,

[golfermartin]

I've only played Chislehurst once, but will probably play it again next December (the Kent Captains play their Xmas Fayre there once every three years). I've played Sundridge a fair bit, cos I know a few members - good courses and normally in good nick. A bit wet in winter though?

[McLaren]

Super

How would you know what is worth killing yourself over having never been in a severely depressed state of mind? Has it even been confirmed that the hoax call was the reason she took her life?

It is pretty clear that the hospital were willing to accept high profile patients and the increased media attention this would bring, without any sort of consideration for how this may effect the operations of the hospital. If you work in an environment where worried people are usually phoning for genuine reasons I doubt "prank call" is something that springs to mind. The moment the princess was admitted to the hospital the staff were exposed to a great many risks which senior management should have addressed.

After a hole in the system - and crucially not any individuals mistake - was identified, which caused grief to a member of staff, the appropriate support should have been provided. I statement claiming human error was just spectacularly insensitive.

[mystiroakey]

Yeah i really like sudridge park.. I havent played it since my junior days. However A couple of members from my ex club are thinking of joining and I| have heard good things..

I take it your a captain then?

[super_realist]

Mac, its common practice that in any business nothing confidential is released over the phone. Even working at McDonald's you would have been told that.
Secondly as I've already mentioned the impression was so bad you'd have to be an idiot to think it was genuine and also why would the queen phone personally and refer to her grandsons wife as her grand daughter.

Also, of course a prank call isn't worth killing yourself over, which is why I said she must have had underlying issues. Stop being beligerant for the sake if it. Save that for one of Gaels pointless posts.

There might not have been a hole in the system, we don't know that they aren't repeated told not to release information, but this dim witted nurse did. You can't blame upper management for that if its the case. I really can't imagine that she didn't know protocol but probably thought that as it was 'the queen' it would be alright.

[mystiroakey]

SR your spot on .. but maybe not about her being dim witted. Id say possibly flaky and certainly depressed ... Girls like that are rampant in the sack..

[mystiroakey]

I feel abit sorry for these aussie presenters though. Reports are that they may not be working again on radio and are deeply depressed...

Its a tragic story all this..

[super_realist]

Sounds very much to me like the nurse in question got a strip torn off her, quite rightly and it pushed her over the edge in regards to her already fragile condition.. I don't see how management can be to blame here given that we don t know how regularly staff are reminded about confidententiality.
It's inconceivable given it being a private hospital with high profile patients that it isn't doubly reinforced in their staff the importance of client confidentiality, and even putting through a call from 'the queen' would be seen as a breach.

We simply don't know whether such things were in place and it was the nurse who was to blame do we and not the nurse who clearly made a very amateur mistake in falling for a silly obvious prank.

[JAS]

Tragic that a supposedly innocent prank ended up the way it has. Now I'm all for practical jokes in most circumstances but this (phoning a hospital and impersonating someone else in order to get information)...eh no...not really funny.

The nurse? Put yourself in her position. You know the protocol regarding giving out confidential info over the phone but you have the Queen (yes it was a poor imitation - but it was at 5.30 am, how many people, honestly would say "sorry ma'am I can't tell you anything) ...as I understand it though she never even done that she merely put the call through to Kate's nursing station. In retrospect she shouldn't have put the call through but it was hardly high treason to do so.

The hospital?...hmmm there's a couple of things here that don't reflect well on it. Were they prepared for the heightened media interest that a high profile patient would bring, probably not given the sudden admission. Why was the nurse's name given out for the media to feed on? That was poor judgement in the extreme.

The worst thing in all this??? Its yet another victory for the ever growing culture of recrimination which now appears to be rampant in our media. They're so arrogant and self righteous that they probably don't realise that it would probably have been THEM rather than anyone else that drove the poor nurse to think she only had one way out.

[mystiroakey]

Guys i dont wanna put any blame on anyone for this tragic story. Howerver i think the only thing we need to really sort out due to this is how our nurses are treated!!

They are over worked and under payed , many love to drink alot to combat the stress and it is a profession where suicide is high!

This is the only thing this should highlight- The rest is trivial.. the nurse was clearly under stress and depressed(probally before this incident!)- Why are these care workers not under the spotlight of medical care themselves... Its kind of ironic!

Think about this rather than blaming the hospital, blaming the nurse, blaming the media or blaming the prank callers!!

[super_realist]

I see where you are coming from JAS, but you've have to be an idiot to think it was the Queen calling personally especially as it was 5:30am and even more so as she referred to Wills wife as "her grand-daughter"

Nurses are used to doing shifts, I don't think you can use the time as a valid excuse here.

As for nurses being over-worked and under paid, yes they are, but no one forces them to work as nurses and they know the pay and hours before they even apply. Bit like firemen, teachers etc. They should be better paid, of course but if you do a job for money then you choose something else better paid.

[mystiroakey]

Yes they chose this life. But the ironic thing is the fact there is no one to look after the nurses themselves- no measures for them!!

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