India v England, First Test Thread

by msp83 Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:06 am

First topic message reminder :

India won the toss and are batting.
No surprises with the teams.
India
Gautam Gambhir
Virender Sehwag
Cheteshwar Pujara
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni
R Ashwin
Zaheer Khan
Pragyan Ojha
Umesh Yadav.
No Monty for England and Compton is having his debut.
Nick Compton
Alastair Cook
Jonathan Trott
Kevin Pietersen
Ian Bell
Samit Patel
Matt Prior
Tim Bresnan
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
James Anderson.
The pitch seems dry and should take turn.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:17 am

That's the 3rd for Ashwin.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:26 am

Samit Patel gets away with a stone dead LBW that wasn't given. Yesterday Yuvraj Singh had a lucky moment like this and he mae it count. Will Patel be able to do that?

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:28 am

Now Yuvraj on for Ashwin.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:49 am

Yadav into the attack and Patel goes. Rather unfortunately, he wasn't given out earlier on a clear LBW, but is now given out when the ball was going down leg. England 97-7, Prior has to somehow try and get them pass 200.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:59 am

Bresnan having a bit of luck this time against Umesh, a yorker smashing into pad and bat, enough confusion to save him, but on replay it was pad first and was close. Umesh generating good pace, faster than any other seamer in the match so far, reaching up to the mid 140s.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:00 am

Prior has reached 20 and is looking comfortable out there.

by KP_fan Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:01 am

D3: session 1
Eng sliding fast towards an inevitable end....
KP was jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof.....could have been out 2 time before he was...

Somebody should tell Bell that Positive and Suicide are diffrent words Smile

Cook is as Good as an English batsman would get...and he got barely 40odd even with the luck of an LBW not given...even if each one of the specialist batsmen bats like him....won't be enough

Zaheer's figures 8overs 5 maidens, 7 runs with a hint of reverse was a display in how to support.... and Yadav's wkt to wkt 90mph shows the value of pace in the air....

Patel with his shuffle across the stumps has horrible technique......and slecting him as a No.6 batsman as well as Bresnan as a specialist bowler....might suggest Eng has gone bankrupt in talent....but in fact they are just defensive selections...trying to pack 4 players into 2

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:02 am

Couple of loose shots from Prior against Umesh but he's still there.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:05 am

Yuvraj, Cook and Patel got away with 1 clear LBW call each. Patel was at the wrong end of a wrong call as well. Aleem Dar is as good an umpire as you would get, yet he made mistakes as he is human. But the game could do with these, BCCI will have to really think about DRS in a positive way, although some of their objections are valid.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:59 am

Bresnan and Prior are trying to slowly put things back on track here. They bat to number 11, that is the advantage.
Yadav bowling well here, in fact both Zaheer and Yadav have bowled better than the English seamers did.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:05 am

Haryana, who played the last warm up game against England, are bowled out for 66 against Odisha in the 3rd round of the Ranji Trophy. The only time they've reached 300 in the last 5 matches, it has been against England.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:18 am

Prior and Bresnan have stuck it out for almost 14 overs now. They have put on 35 runs so far. First hint of resistance from England. Dhoni is giving his pacers a go as well, firstt Yadav and now Zaheer bowling from one end.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:28 am

The much criticised Tim Besnan has resisted well so far with the bat, 17 not out, and now with Matt Prior, he has put up the highest partnership of this innings. Things not getting as easy as it was during the morning session for the Indians.

by LivinginItaly Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:36 am

interesting little partnership developing here. Suppose one positive is that England can use this and the second innings as practice against quality spin for the rest of the series.

by LivinginItaly Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:37 am

knew i should have kept quiet

by LivinginItaly Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:37 am

bresnan gone

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:37 am

Ojha gets his 4th, and the resistance is over from Bresnan.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:03 am

Broad is playing his shots and England's lower is pushing them towards 200 and perhaps beyond.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:03 am

Prior wasn't at his best with the gloves, but he's doing a fine job with the bat.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:09 am

England are down but not out as yet, and I don't think India is showing enough of an attacking mindset here, giving a few easy runs.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:09 am

Zaheer is swinging it, but I think they have to keep the spinners on from both ends now.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:11 am

Zaheer was finding the pads regularly but the ball was doing a bit too much, but he has done it now.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:12 am

Swanny in at 11, we could be in for some funn now.

by KP_fan Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:15 am

contrary to commentators crib against Zaheer continuing.....I can see that Dhoni was trying to get Zaheer a bit of run to get his reverse.....and some practise and confidence.......and Zaheer does all of that by getting Broad.
He must have had half a dozen appeals turned down

Situation might be too easy here for India.....but there will be tougher moments in the series...when for example India lost the toss...and both Zaheer and India will need the reverse.

Zaheer is making the ball talk......a lesson in reverse swing bowling.......and in this form...one of the days in the series zaheer will turn a game on the head by plucking 3 to 4 wickets for nothing.

England have helped Sehwag and Zaheer come back to form

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:18 am

5 for Ojha, and that is the end of the England first innings, bowled out for 191. That's a first innings lead of 330 for India, will they be asked to follow on? Yes, indeed Dhoni enforces the follow on.
Not a 50 in that England first innings, Prior with 48 the highest scorer.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:20 am

Agree there KPF, Zaheer bowled really well and was getting he reverse going. I was thinking he had bowled one over too many when he got Broad. Would certainly add to Zak's confidence, and when his confidence is up, he would be an even more dificult bowler to face up to.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:31 am

The England openers have resisted very well so far, and India haven't been able to get through after 14 overs. England 35-0.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:45 am

Oh, trouble for India here, Pragyan Ojha leaves the field, seems like he's in some dificulty. Zaheer has replaced Ojha. Harbhajan Singh on the field for Ojha.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:46 am

The 2 England openers are looking solid and secure out there, the ball isn't doing a great deal of the wicket and Compton and Cook have done well so far.

by Duty281 Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:55 am

England need to add another 427 runs on top of what they already have. Come on England, no surrrrrrennnndah!

by KP_fan Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:56 am

yes the mindset has been positive.,..and when the batsmen are playing well...pitch appears easier

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:57 am

Ojha is back on and has resumed bowling. So a one over spell there for Zaheer. Looks like Zaheer will have to work his reverse magic at some point, England aren't giving up just like that.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:02 am

Very nearly there for Ojha, the edge just fell short of Kohli.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:11 am

Oh, another poor LBW call from the umpire, Prgyan Ojha the man denied this time. Yuvraj, Cook, Patel twice and now this. Turning out to be not a very good match for the umpires.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:12 am

By the way its Cook who got away with it yet again. Lets see whether he'll make it count.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:13 am

8 overs remaining, England's session so far, the first session they would be winning in the match.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:33 am

Just another couple of overs to survive today. Fabulous work from the England openers under the circumstances.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:42 am

Dhoni should try Zaheer and Yuvraj a bit more.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:43 am

Well, its Sachin Tendulkar with the ball. Tendulkar hasn't left any imprint on the match as yet, perhaps this will be the moment?

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:56 am

Dhoni should bring Zaheer on now, just to see if there is any reverse available at this stage.

by msp83 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:59 am

Great application from Cook and Compton, they just didn't apply themselves in the first innings. There is turn available, but its slow and no major disconcerting bounce. More application, England can make a game of it.

by liverbnz Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:07 am

Much better 2nd half of the day for England. There's still the feeling that 1 wicket will bring the inevitable collapse. Bell's dismissal was a disgrace and its not the first time he's done something so stupid. I'd be inclined to drop him just for that but I know that's just my emotion talking.

by Duty281 Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:08 am

Right so after some pathetic first innings batting leaving England 330 behind, India enforced the follow-on. This was probably a mistake. Batting again and goes absolutely berserk on a demoralised England side would have inflicted extreme psychological damage.

They didn't and now Cook and Compton have restored something. Hope? Optimism? Belief? Whatever it is, England are 33% of the way to parity but they still need another 370 runs which would give them a lead of 150 and make it interesting. That is very possible to achieve but the same positive mindset needs to be continued tomorrow. England will have to bat another 4 sessions in all probability and Cook and Compton have given England a solid platform.

by Duty281 Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:08 am

liverbnz wrote:Much better 2nd half of the day for England. There's still the feeling that 1 wicket will bring the inevitable collapse. Bell's dismissal was a disgrace and its not the first time he's done something so stupid. I'd be inclined to drop him just for that but I know that's just my emotion talking.

Bell's out of the second Test anyway due to the birth of his daughter.

by guildfordbat Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:13 am

A very determined and effective response from Cook and Compton second time round.

Unfortunately, I fear we have just too long to try and last out. From here, we have to bat the best part of another five sessions. Even if we last until mid morning on the last day, India should still have enough time to knock off the runs.

If this were a football match, I would say that we've started the second half well but only after going in 4 - 0 down ....

by Shelsey93 Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:40 am

msp83 wrote:Great application from Cook and Compton, they just didn't apply themselves in the first innings. There is turn available, but its slow and no major disconcerting bounce. More application, England can make a game of it.

I think Cook did apply himself in the first innings, and is looking more and more comfortable the longer he's at the crease. He looks to be improving his method as he goes along too. A fantastic effort from him.

Well done to Compton too, who is using every ounce of his mental strength. He'll have another tough examination early on tomorrow I expect.

As for the first innings it was a shocker. Bell's shot was just atrocious - I'm not sure even I've done that first ball. Pietersen was all over the place: on his dismissal he basically moves his bat away from the ball.

by alfie Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:19 pm

guildfordbat wrote:A very determined and effective response from Cook and Compton second time round.

Unfortunately, I fear we have just too long to try and last out. From here, we have to bat the best part of another five sessions. Even if we last until mid morning on the last day, India should still have enough time to knock off the runs.

If this were a football match, I would say that we've started the second half well but only after going in 4 - 0 down ....

Summed it up pretty well there guildford...

Barring miracles ,India will win sooner or later , but I don't think this is cause to give up on the tour. For all the OTT reaction from some people , the big problem here has been an unnecessary first innings collapse by England. Cook and Compton have shown in the second knock that this is not (yet) a minefield. Sensible , positive batting can make runs on this against spinners too...of course India made a fine first innings total , and England were a bit off the boil with the ball on day one , but if we had seen a hundred opening stand in the first innings this match might have been a bit different now. Never mind , what happened , happened ; and what England have to do now - apart from playing for pride from here - is take their lessons from this one into the next.
And I don't mean panic and change half the team.

Batting against spin on the sub- continent is a different game , but it isn't beyond good players to adapt. And they can think about the make up of the attack for the next match , which is admittedly not easy , as the best balance is hard to achieve in the absence of a true pace bowling all rounder...winning the toss next time might be handy Smile

Let us hope Cook & Compton have started something and we can bat this into a fifth day.

by KP_fan Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:25 pm

It is good to see a fightback from England...they are precariously placed and on this pitch......one wicket falls and a few go down in cluster.

Hope they learn their lessons for the remainder series......and get Finn+Meaker+Monty in the side......and with that composition if they win the toss ....it will be a much more ven and tight game

by Duty281 Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:18 pm

guildfordbat wrote:A very determined and effective response from Cook and Compton second time round.

Unfortunately, I fear we have just too long to try and last out. From here, we have to bat the best part of another five sessions. Even if we last until mid morning on the last day, India should still have enough time to knock off the runs.

If this were a football match, I would say that we've started the second half well but only after going in 4 - 0 down ....

How about 3-0 down at HT, and we've just pulled a goal back in the 55th minute. Smile

by guildfordbat Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:19 pm

Duty281 wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:A very determined and effective response from Cook and Compton second time round.

Unfortunately, I fear we have just too long to try and last out. From here, we have to bat the best part of another five sessions. Even if we last until mid morning on the last day, India should still have enough time to knock off the runs.

If this were a football match, I would say that we've started the second half well but only after going in 4 - 0 down ....

How about 3-0 down at HT, and we've just pulled a goal back in the 55th minute.

Duty - whatever the score now, I think we all agree that we can't afford to gift India another early goal! Wink

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