Gloves: How much do they matter?

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They are many type of boxing gloves worn today by pro boxers but what advantages do each glove hold over each other.

Back in the day the gloves used to be an important part of negotiations, because the rules were that each boxer had to where the same type of gloves and even the same colour. Who could forget Hamed's arguments with the Barrera camp over the colour of glove, it seemed to matter him more than training.

Pacquiao's then manager signed a deal that stopped Pacquiao wearing "the punchers glove", Cleto Reyes gloves for the first Morales fight and was a factor is Pacquiao losing that fight. Pacquiao immediately sacked his manager for such an error.

Amir Khan wears Reebok gloves, I think one of the only pro boxer that does. I suppose for the endorsement money but could he more effect with say the Cleto reyes gloves to increase his power?

Grant gloves are used by boxers that need to protect their hands, they are also larger and can be used more for defensive work, blocking parrying punches but because of the extra padding around the fist and how they are weighted they take power of your punches making them less effective if you want a KO.

The degree in which theses gloves play apart in defense or power punching is a matter of debate though. What are everybody views on the difference they make and what other types of gloves are out there and what type of fighters do they benifit?

Until proven otherwise i'll assume that Reyes gloves don't improve power but thats just me

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:It is also harder to defend with Reyes glove, due to them being smaller.

So if Manny had worn Reyes gloves Morales might have hit him, let's say, 2 - 3% more often.

My my, good job Manny didn't have them fancy Reyes ones then, innit ? Morales beat him clearly enough as it was.

Manny was never one to defend, he might have lost out a bit more in defense but he would have gained more in power, which was his strength.

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

D4, simple question :

Is this thread about gloves or Pacquiao ?

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:Of course, the reverse argument would be that, if Reyes gloves ARE so significantly better, we must ask if any fighter wearing them would have been so successful wearing Lonsdales, or whatever.

Bit like F1, really. Put the best driver in the slowest car and he likely won't win too many Grand Prix.

I don't the the difference is that extreme.

The football boot is a much better analogy. They don't make the player but a predator boot will allow you to curl the ball more but it still the footballer's attributes that play the most significant part by a very long way.

It's skill that curls a ball. Ask Garrincha.

It's skill that throws a punch with proper technique, balance and weight transference. Ask Dempsey.
Boots and gloves might make it a shade easier, but the bottom line is that it is the practitioner's ability which is the deciding factor.

You had to spoil it.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

You don't need Garrincha to run a scientific test.

You just need X amount of players they all try curling the ball with other boots and then try with the predators, then look at the data.

If the ball conclusively curled more with the predator then the test has been proven.

HumanWindmill wrote:D4, simple question :

Is this thread about gloves or Pacquiao ?

It is about Gloves and what differences different gloves can play. It is not about Pacquiao per say, but he can be mention to prove a point, just as the laws of physics and Garrincha.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

You don't need Garrincha to run a scientific test.

You just need X amount of players they all try curling the ball with other boots and then try with the predators, then look at the data.

If the ball conclusively curled more with the predator then the test has been proven.

Nonsense.

Garrincha was an absolute master at bending the ball under less than ideal conditions. My contention is that, given a modern ball, he could curl it with carpet slippers as well as Beckham in Predators.

Or are you saying that quality of the athlete is trumped by quality of equipment ?

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:D4, simple question :

Is this thread about gloves or Pacquiao ?

It is about Gloves and what differences different gloves can play. It is not about Pacquiao per say, but he can be mention to prove a point, just as the laws of physics and Garrincha.

Pacquiao doesn't prove any point. He lost, period, and you have produced ZERO evidence to suggest he lost because of a glove issue.

Garrincha from all accounts enjoyed the greatest of all time just as much as D4 does

(work it out windy)

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

You don't need Garrincha to run a scientific test.

You just need X amount of players they all try curling the ball with other boots and then try with the predators, then look at the data.

If the ball conclusively curled more with the predator then the test has been proven.

Nonsense.

Garrincha was an absolute master at bending the ball under less than ideal conditions. My contention is that, given a modern ball, he could curl it with carpet slippers as well as Beckham in Predators.

Or are you saying that quality of the athlete is trumped by quality of equipment ?

For a scientific test you need controls. The controls would be the players the variable would be the the boots. You are not testing the player you are testing the boots.

You are not looking to see the ball curl the most, you are looking for the difference in curl between a player when he take a shot with a normal boot and when he take a shot with a predator boot.

The Mighty Atom wrote:Garrincha from all accounts enjoyed the greatest of all time just as much as D4 does

(work it out windy)

You mean, Garrincha played on both wings ?

Never knew that.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:D4, simple question :

Is this thread about gloves or Pacquiao ?

It is about Gloves and what differences different gloves can play. It is not about Pacquiao per say, but he can be mention to prove a point, just as the laws of physics and Garrincha.

Pacquiao doesn't prove any point. He lost, period, and you have produced ZERO evidence to suggest he lost because of a glove issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPH86p5xawA

Pacquiao said himself that the gloves played a major part in his victory. Watch out for his pronunciation.

Close Windy but what is SRR considered to be in letters?

The Mighty Atom wrote:Garrincha from all accounts enjoyed the greatest of all time just as much as D4 does

(work it out windy)

That is absolutely fantastic!! I'm not a football person, so have no idea who the guy is, but hell, after a quick Google check that just made me have to explain the out-loud chuckles to the Mrs and her mate.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

You don't need Garrincha to run a scientific test.

You just need X amount of players they all try curling the ball with other boots and then try with the predators, then look at the data.

If the ball conclusively curled more with the predator then the test has been proven.

Nonsense.

Garrincha was an absolute master at bending the ball under less than ideal conditions. My contention is that, given a modern ball, he could curl it with carpet slippers as well as Beckham in Predators.

Or are you saying that quality of the athlete is trumped by quality of equipment ?

For a scientific test you need controls. The controls would be the players the variable would be the the boots. You are not testing the player you are testing the boots.

You are not looking to see the ball curl the most, you are looking for the difference in curl between a player when he take a shot with a normal boot and when he take a shot with a predator boot.

Then you need the same controls to establish differences in boxing gloves, and your idea that Pacquiao was beaten by Morales due to gloves has no more substance than my idea that Garrincha could do just as well without Predators.

Snooker players know that to swerve a ball the crucial element is WHERE to apply the spin.

You, of all people, should understand the application of spin.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

You don't need Garrincha to run a scientific test.

You just need X amount of players they all try curling the ball with other boots and then try with the predators, then look at the data.

If the ball conclusively curled more with the predator then the test has been proven.

Nonsense.

Garrincha was an absolute master at bending the ball under less than ideal conditions. My contention is that, given a modern ball, he could curl it with carpet slippers as well as Beckham in Predators.

Or are you saying that quality of the athlete is trumped by quality of equipment ?

For a scientific test you need controls. The controls would be the players the variable would be the the boots. You are not testing the player you are testing the boots.

You are not looking to see the ball curl the most, you are looking for the difference in curl between a player when he take a shot with a normal boot and when he take a shot with a predator boot.

Then you need the same controls to establish differences in boxing gloves, and your idea that Pacquiao was beaten by Morales due to gloves has no more substance than my idea that Garrincha could do just as well without Predators.

Snooker players know that to swerve a ball the crucial element is WHERE to apply the spin.

You, of all people, should understand the application of spin.

They did do scientific tests with pro footballers to prove that Predator boots produced greater spin. They have those rubber grips on the front that previous boots didn't. It'd be like a snooker player using chalk for the first time.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

You don't need Garrincha to run a scientific test.

You just need X amount of players they all try curling the ball with other boots and then try with the predators, then look at the data.

If the ball conclusively curled more with the predator then the test has been proven.

Nonsense.

Garrincha was an absolute master at bending the ball under less than ideal conditions. My contention is that, given a modern ball, he could curl it with carpet slippers as well as Beckham in Predators.

Or are you saying that quality of the athlete is trumped by quality of equipment ?

For a scientific test you need controls. The controls would be the players the variable would be the the boots. You are not testing the player you are testing the boots.

You are not looking to see the ball curl the most, you are looking for the difference in curl between a player when he take a shot with a normal boot and when he take a shot with a predator boot.

Then you need the same controls to establish differences in boxing gloves, and your idea that Pacquiao was beaten by Morales due to gloves has no more substance than my idea that Garrincha could do just as well without Predators.

Snooker players know that to swerve a ball the crucial element is WHERE to apply the spin.

You, of all people, should understand the application of spin.

Yes I could test it. Would just need a pair of Cleto Reyes gloves and a pair of Winning Gloves and about 10 boxers and a sonic blast man machine.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:D4, simple question :

Is this thread about gloves or Pacquiao ?

It is about Gloves and what differences different gloves can play. It is not about Pacquiao per say, but he can be mention to prove a point, just as the laws of physics and Garrincha.

Pacquiao doesn't prove any point. He lost, period, and you have produced ZERO evidence to suggest he lost because of a glove issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPH86p5xawA

Pacquiao said himself that the gloves played a major part in his victory. Watch out for his pronunciation.

How the Hell would he know ? Is he a scientist now ?

John L Sullivan said he was drugged - also nonsense.

Johnson said he dived against Willard - nonsense.

Willard said Dempsey's gloves were loaded - nonsense.


The only times Pacquiao ever tagged Morales with any REAL venom were in the last round.

Anyway, is this about gloves or Pacquiao ? If it's gloves let's move on, shall we ? We should respect the author of the article and stay on topic.

In the interests of the ceasefire, and all.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Predator's were scientifically proven to produce more curl.

Couldn't possibly have been ' scientifically ' proven. Garrincha is dead, and he never got to try to bend a modern, light ball. All you can say with certainty is that Predator boots help MODERN players bend a ball. Garrincha did wonders with a heavy old ball, old fashioned boots and one leg shorter than the other.

You don't need Garrincha to run a scientific test.

You just need X amount of players they all try curling the ball with other boots and then try with the predators, then look at the data.

If the ball conclusively curled more with the predator then the test has been proven.

Nonsense.

Garrincha was an absolute master at bending the ball under less than ideal conditions. My contention is that, given a modern ball, he could curl it with carpet slippers as well as Beckham in Predators.

Or are you saying that quality of the athlete is trumped by quality of equipment ?

For a scientific test you need controls. The controls would be the players the variable would be the the boots. You are not testing the player you are testing the boots.

You are not looking to see the ball curl the most, you are looking for the difference in curl between a player when he take a shot with a normal boot and when he take a shot with a predator boot.

Then you need the same controls to establish differences in boxing gloves, and your idea that Pacquiao was beaten by Morales due to gloves has no more substance than my idea that Garrincha could do just as well without Predators.

Snooker players know that to swerve a ball the crucial element is WHERE to apply the spin.

You, of all people, should understand the application of spin.

Yes I could test it. Would just need a pair of Cleto Reyes gloves and a pair of Winning Gloves and about 10 boxers and a sonic blast man machine.

Well, when you do, let us know.

The Mighty Atom wrote:Close Windy but what is SRR considered to be in letters?

Split ring resonator ?

I think it is widely accepted that Reyes gloves are the punchers glove the only debate is how much.

The Reyes gloves use to be more devastating when use to pack them with horse hair rather than foam.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090819220045AAZhamS

More reason why Reyes glove are the punchers gloves

D4thincarnation wrote:I think it is widely accepted that Reyes gloves are the punchers glove the only debate is how much.

The Reyes gloves use to be more devastating when use to pack them with horse hair rather than foam.

As I said, a few posts ago, it's a subject I find interesting. For me, at least, this thread has been great fun.

Pacquiao also used Winning gloves against Morales, gloves noted for being "pillow" and it was the first time Pacquiao used them.

I not saying he would have won the or lost the fight if he would have had Reyes gloves, but I have no doubt he would have hit harder.

@D4

Clicked on your manny link & then discovered these little chestnuts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9IdqzR6h_k&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMU317giMcg&feature=related

What an anorak!

So what gloves do you favor so far?

D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao also used Winning gloves against Morales, gloves noted for being "pillow" and it was the first time Pacquiao used them.

I not saying he would have won the or lost the fight if he would have had Reyes gloves, but I have no doubt he would have hit harder.

So it WAS about Pacquiao all along, then.

As you yourself pointed out when outlining the reasons why you believe bare knuckle fighting to be safer than gloved fighting, the sensation of pain is not correlated to being knocked out. I have no doubt that Cleto Reyes gloves ' hurt ' more, but the difference in force between these and other brands must be very marginal. Cleto Reyes are more likely to cut a man up, but I'm not convinced that, at the highest level, they could be the difference between winning and losing a fight or the ability to knock a man out.

Which was Manny's preferred brand in his other losing efforts, and which was the preferred brand of his opponent when he was kayoed ?

sohotnot wrote:@D4

Clicked on your manny link & then discovered these little chestnuts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9IdqzR6h_k&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMU317giMcg&feature=related

What an anorak!

So what gloves do you favor so far?

Reyes for fights and Lonsdale for sparing.

I got a pair of Reyes that I use on pads, but getting some Lonsdale safe spar because I've started doing some sparing and I don't think the Reyes will go down to well.

In other news, it has been proven that 17th. September is a very dangerous date for a non - Thai to fight in Thailand. Climate change between 16th. and 17th. September has been proven to be so severe as to render non Thais particularly vulnerable to body shots. A body shot which has no impact on the 16th. is very likely to floor, perhaps even knock out, a visiting fighter on the 17th.

Moves are underway to annul any knockout defeats suffered by non Thai nationals in Thailand on the 17th. September in any year.

Former flyweight king Medgoen Singsurat is to be retrospectively stripped of his title and has been ordered to fight a rematch with Manny Pacquiao at 175lb. for the flyweight title.

Pacquiao will be wearing his preferred Clito Ris gloves for the bout, and Singsurat will be wearing 32oz. gloves from Grant.

Bob Arum has said that this will be the greatest fight in history, and although he believes Pacquiao will prevail he has warned us to ' never write off a great fighter '

British fight fans can get tickets at Thin Carnation.com, provided they declare undying support for Pacquiao. A Thin Carnation spokesman advised non Manny fans that their best bet is to rely on some dodgy stream on the Internet if they really want to see it, but advised them to become Manny fans so that they can be allowed to buy a ticket.

Asked if Singsurat might be a little old, the Thin Carnation spokesman was adamant in his view that Singsurat would have been too old last year, but that this year he will be fine.

Regrettably, Thin Carnation.com will NOT be supplying tickets for Floyd Mayweather's heavyweight challenge of Vitali Klitschko because they feel that Mayweather has taken a soft option and should have fought Singsurat in Thailand on 17th. September.

D4thincarnation wrote:

sohotnot wrote:@D4

Clicked on your manny link & then discovered these little chestnuts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9IdqzR6h_k&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMU317giMcg&feature=related

What an anorak!

So what gloves do you favor so far?

Reyes for fights and Lonsdale for sparing.

I got a pair of Reyes that I use on pads, but getting some Lonsdale safe spar because I've started doing some sparing and I don't think the Reyes will go down to well.

So what size are your Reyes, shouldn't be a problem for sparring unless they under 14oz? Interesting thing for me in this post was the extra padding around the wrists with Reyes which could've been a factor when I bought mine although I was on a tight budget at the time so bought the cheapest leather 14oz available. After buying the guy I train with told me he was connected to a guy from Windy (thai brand, popular with kickboxers) & could've got me a discount!

Reyes for fights and Lonsdale for sparing.

So you've been carded, yeah? Because NO gym will not let you wear anything other than sparring gloves.

Funny how you kept that one quiet?

You have never boxed sunshine, so don't try and pretend you have.

Again if i smashed you round the jaw you would have zero idea what has hit you, let alone what type of glove it was

For the love of sanity grow up and get some friends to boot

And i forgot

http://boxingequipment247.com/2009/03/how-are-different-types-of-boxing-gloves-different/

"Cleto Reyes boxing gloves are known as punchers' gloves. They are small and compact, and more of the weight is distributed to the wrist as opposed to over the hand. The result is what many people believe is a harder, more dangerous punch. Fighter's known for their punching power may use Cleto Reyes boxing gloves to exploit their advantage even more. Conversely, fighters without much power may turn to a pair of Cleto Reyes professional fighting gloves to try to improve or eliminate their weakness."

coxy0001 wrote:And i forgot

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:http://boxingequipment247.com/2009/03/how-are-different-types-of-boxing-gloves-different/

"Cleto Reyes boxing gloves are known as punchers' gloves. They are small and compact, and more of the weight is distributed to the wrist as opposed to over the hand. The result is what many people believe is a harder, more dangerous punch. Fighter's known for their punching power may use Cleto Reyes boxing gloves to exploit their advantage even more. Conversely, fighters without much power may turn to a pair of Cleto Reyes professional fighting gloves to try to improve or eliminate their weakness."

This is something that crossed my mind earlier, you would think they would be more beneficial to guys that dont punch so hard as a big puncher is a big puncher whatever the gloves. Maybe if you are more of a volume puncher than a really heavy handed guy they work well, its swings & roundabouts really.

I guess the reduced padding around the knuckle area increases your power whether you are a puncher or not.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:I guess the reduced padding around the knuckle area increases your power whether you are a puncher or not.

Your treading on dangerous ground with that comment, just look at the 100+ replies! I tend to think its the pain/sting factor that increases, you do sometimes hear comments from boxers about their opponents punches stinging, especially if they are fast & accurate, rather than being concussive. Not to knock D4 but the post did seem to be finding its way around to Manny & excuses for losing, we even had the obligatory youtube link, just for a change.

Reyes have always been known as punchers gloves. Whether or not they contributed toward Mannys loss I don't know.

I wonder what difference Reyes gloves may have made to the likes of Mayweather and Calzaghe, who had to use those massive Grant pillow gloves to protect their brittle hands. At times Mayweather looked like he was wearing oversized comedy gloves.

Windy

Robinson is the GOAT of all time

The Mighty Atom wrote:Windy

Robinson is the GOAT of all time

Excellent, Ghosty !

Sorry I was slow on the uptake. Getting old, you know. Nearly old enough to fight Manny, in fact.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:http://boxingequipment247.com/2009/03/how-are-different-types-of-boxing-gloves-different/

"Cleto Reyes boxing gloves are known as punchers' gloves. They are small and compact, and more of the weight is distributed to the wrist as opposed to over the hand. The result is what many people believe is a harder, more dangerous punch. Fighter's known for their punching power may use Cleto Reyes boxing gloves to exploit their advantage even more. Conversely, fighters without much power may turn to a pair of Cleto Reyes professional fighting gloves to try to improve or eliminate their weakness."

Yes nice post, I though this was widely accepted, well maybe it is but seemingly not on here

D4thincarnation wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:http://boxingequipment247.com/2009/03/how-are-different-types-of-boxing-gloves-different/

"Cleto Reyes boxing gloves are known as punchers' gloves. They are small and compact, and more of the weight is distributed to the wrist as opposed to over the hand. The result is what many people believe is a harder, more dangerous punch. Fighter's known for their punching power may use Cleto Reyes boxing gloves to exploit their advantage even more. Conversely, fighters without much power may turn to a pair of Cleto Reyes professional fighting gloves to try to improve or eliminate their weakness."

Yes nice post, I though this was widely accepted, well maybe it is but seemingly not on here

Correct me if I'm wrong, D4, but didn't you offer this thread for DEBATE ? Didn't you also ponder the question as to HOW significant the differences are between one brand of glove and another ?

Since the latter point remains unproven, then it stands to reason that there will be differing views. Was your thread an invitation to a debate or a mere exercise in preaching the Manny gospel ?

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Reyes have always been known as punchers gloves. Whether or not they contributed toward Mannys loss I don't know.

I wonder what difference Reyes gloves may have made to the likes of Mayweather and Calzaghe, who had to use those massive Grant pillow gloves to protect their brittle hands. At times Mayweather looked like he was wearing oversized comedy gloves.

Would you say that Reyes and Grants are at the opposite end of the spectrum, Reyes for maximum power and Grants for protection but takes a lot of power away.

As you pointed out Grants are used by boxers that have had hand problems in the past but very rarely used by big punchers, unless they do have hand problems, because it takes away from one of their best attributes.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:http://boxingequipment247.com/2009/03/how-are-different-types-of-boxing-gloves-different/

"Cleto Reyes boxing gloves are known as punchers' gloves. They are small and compact, and more of the weight is distributed to the wrist as opposed to over the hand. The result is what many people believe is a harder, more dangerous punch. Fighter's known for their punching power may use Cleto Reyes boxing gloves to exploit their advantage even more. Conversely, fighters without much power may turn to a pair of Cleto Reyes professional fighting gloves to try to improve or eliminate their weakness."

Yes nice post, I though this was widely accepted, well maybe it is but seemingly not on here

Correct me if I'm wrong, D4, but didn't you offer this thread for DEBATE ? Didn't you also ponder the question as to HOW significant the differences are between one brand of glove and another ?

Since the latter point remains unproven, then it stands to reason that there will be differing views. Was your thread an invitation to a debate or a mere exercise in preaching the Manny gospel ?

As you know I have had to debate that the even had any effect at all. I assumed everybody would know them as the punchers glove, the question I asked was about how much of difference does that make.

Hand eye cordination aids precision. It a boxer wears reyes or grants his accuracy will not change. The gloves do not have radar built into them.

azania wrote:Hand eye cordination aids precision. It a boxer wears reyes or grants his accuracy will not change. The gloves do not have radar built into them.

Smaller gloves can get through smaller gaps

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:Hand eye cordination aids precision. It a boxer wears reyes or grants his accuracy will not change. The gloves do not have radar built into them.

Smaller gloves can get through smaller gaps

It still requires accuracy and timing from the person throwing the punch. Joe Louis could thread needles with his jab, and he could have done so regardless of the gloves he wore.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:Hand eye cordination aids precision. It a boxer wears reyes or grants his accuracy will not change. The gloves do not have radar built into them.

Smaller gloves can get through smaller gaps

You must therefore marvel at Mayweather who is the most accurate boxer out there but uses huge gloves. Just imagine if he were using smaller gloves.

How does someone become so accurate wearing bigger gloves, imagine that guys accuracy if he wore smaller ones would be about 60% i'd guess.

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:Hand eye cordination aids precision. It a boxer wears reyes or grants his accuracy will not change. The gloves do not have radar built into them.

Smaller gloves can get through smaller gaps

You must therefore marvel at Mayweather who is the most accurate boxer out there but uses huge gloves. Just imagine if he were using smaller gloves.

Not really because he pot shot and counter punches, so not getting through the gaps in the guard that much.