World Rugby Rankings

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Current World Rankings

IRB Rankings at
http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru

Fixtures according to http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/fixtures/_/league/180659/

Best odds for each result category from a range of bookies as at http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/six-nations

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Saturday, March 18

Scotland v Italy 12:30 PM -- BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

sco (on 82.18 points) at home -vs- ita (on 71.17 points)

If sco win by 1-15 points 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If sco win by more than 15 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If result is a draw 1.000 81.18 72.17 No
If ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 80.18 73.17 No
If ita win by more than 15 3.000 79.18 74.17 No

Scotland (1/16)
Draw (66/1)
Italy (15/1)

France v Wales 2:45 PM -- Stade de France, Saint-Denis

fra (on 81.21 points) at home -vs- wal (on 82.16 points)

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.795 82.00 81.36 Yes
If fra win by more than 15 1.193 82.40 80.97 Yes
If result is a draw 0.205 81.00 82.36 No
If wal win by 1-15 points 1.205 80.00 83.36 No
If wal win by more than 15 1.807 79.40 83.97 No

France (8/13)
14:45TV
 

France (8/13)
Draw (25/1)
Wales (13/8)

Ireland v England 5:00 PM -- Aviva Stadium, Dublin

ire (on 83.18 points) at home -vs- eng (on 91.02 points)

If ire win by 1-15 points 1.484 84.66 89.54 No
If ire win by more than 15 2.226 85.41 88.79 No
If result is a draw 0.484 83.66 90.54 No
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.516 82.66 91.54 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.774 82.41 91.79 No

Ireland (6/4)
Draw (25/1)
England (9/13)



Original thread:
https://www.606v2.com/t12724p950-irb-world-rankings-part-1


Sources:
Fixtures : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/fixtures/4776295.stm
IRB Rankings : http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html
Fixtures : http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/current/match/scores/recent.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

mystiroakey wrote:No what he is saying is that aus are favs to top the group and that they would on purpose finish second to miss playing them.

Its nonsense. Normal service would be England topping the group especially at home.. And i am not saying that because i am biased. England are a WC team- we have won one and got to 3 finals. This isnt AI time or 6nations time. This is the WC we are talking about

So are australia , they've won 2 and been to three finals . And thats not what i'm saying . I said unless Australia decide to screw us over which wasnt meant in the literal sense , more like a poor game in the group stages , they lose but turn up the heat in the QF and beat us AGAIN like what happened in 2011. The Aussies would never lose on purpose , no team would do that but sometimes the other team is just on it .

As for GunGerms , i never said we dont fear Ireland , i said the chances of us facing ireland are small. They require us to come second in our group which is something i dont see happening since our biggest threat is Scotland and Samoa no offence to them . Besides the only reason we have a better record against Australia than we do Ireland is because we play them more and they visit the Republic more times than is healthy We've ony lost 4 times to Ireland since 2000 , 10 tests, with 8 of those held in Ireland . Our record in Australia is much worse i think

loads of teams lose on purpose if it means they get an easier next tie- its happened in plenty of sports before. dont assume anything.

but i do agree with you. Its very unlikley this situation would happen in union. However i did assume that is what you meant

mystiroakey wrote:No what he is saying is that aus are favs to top the group and that they would on purpose finish second to miss playing them.

Its nonsense. Normal service would be England topping the group especially at home.. And i am not saying that because i am biased. England are a WC team- we have won one and got to 3 finals. This isnt AI time or 6nations time. This is the WC we are talking about

What I'm saying is that Bulls doesn't agree with you on what constitutes Normal Service. You have a disagreement of opinions here Mystir...which is a very strange thing to happen in 606!

Rugby is a strange game.

england will not fear Aus at all, we will fear Wales more, Wales will fear Aus more than they will fear Eng. Eng will fear SA more than we would probally fear NZ!!

Eng wouldn't fear France, NZ would possibly fear France more than any other team!


match ups and rugby. Its all a bit random.

mystiroakey wrote:Rugby is a strange game.

england will not fear Aus at all, we will fear Wales more, Wales will fear Aus more than they will fear Eng. Eng will fear SA more than we would probally fear NZ!!

Eng wouldn't fear France, NZ would possibly fear France more than any other team!


match ups and rugby. Its all a bit random.

excatly!!! the last team the Aussies want to ever face in a world cup is England , but they'd quite happily knock my beloved boks out

Fear is a good emotion in sport.

Fear Everyone .... or simply Fear Losing itself if your ego won't go as far as the former

Bullsbok wrote:
So are australia , they've won 2 and been to three finals . And thats not what i'm saying . I said unless Australia decide to screw us over which wasnt meant in the literal sense , more like a poor game in the group stages...

I'm not convinced it will take a poor game from them - just being beaten by England. Which given that England are at home and Aus have lost 4 of the last 5 against them isn't unlikely. And if you want to look at world cup form I'd point out that Aus haven't beaten England in the world cup since the game went pro nearly 20 years ago and that England have knocked Aus out of 3 of the last 5 tournaments.

And - despite their repeated failure to close out a game against them Wales are more than good enough to beat Aus as well. If anything surprises me it's how much Wales are being overlooked. Gatland did a superb job with the players' conditioning for the '11 world cup, and if he does the same again this time they could be very very good this time round.

In all honesty I can't call who will make it out of that group nor in what order.

Big wrote:[
In all honesty I can't call who will make it out of that group nor in what order.

That makes you unique in being the only idiot here, Big. Everyone else is certain they KNOW who is going to get through.

SecretFly wrote:

Big wrote:[
In all honesty I can't call who will make it out of that group nor in what order.

That makes you unique in being the only idiot here, Big.  Everyone else is certain they KNOW who is going to get through.  

I thought the whole point of forums such as these was for all of us armchair experts;) to congregate and give our expert opinion on matters beyond our control Theres no fun in waiting for results before discussing them , otherwise how do we tell the idiots from the true experts

But even some of the experts use history to predict future results, its just that they some times use other factors as well.

Update anyone?

England go above Ireland, I think. No change for Wales.

Oh there is Hammer.

There is another Hammer cruising around tonight with a supposedly long enough posting history and I thought you just got bored and changed your name up a little.

But nope, there you are and I don't think I've ever seen the other guy before.

HammerofThunor wrote:England go above Ireland, I think. No change for Wales.

At least until next week!

SecretFly wrote:Oh there is Hammer.

There is another Hammer cruising around tonight with a supposedly long enough posting history and I thought you just got bored and changed your name up a little.

But nope, there you are and I don't think I've ever seen the other guy before.

Hammersmith something? Yeah I notice, was going to do something about it but decided to let it slide

I've been avoiding commenting in the European stuff. Wrote plenty of comments but deleted them before posting. Refreshing

Right thing to do, Hammer. I stayed away from here through the new year until now and I'll be gone again until the WC when the 6N is over.

I've overfed on the European thing and have indigestion now

I apologies for missing last week (new 'puter software).

Ireland will (if they don't lose) bounce straight back to 4th.

BUT look at the 6Ns (B) games.

Georgia and Romania will continue to close in on Italy so long as they don't lose to Portugal.

I always argued that there should be promotion into and out of the 6Ns (or better still, a multi-divisional NH 4Ns) based on end-of season rankings

New OP.

That's one tough weekend coming from Ireland, Portnoy!!

Play France on Saturday and Scotland on Sunday?

I think people are working Schmidt too hard here!  There is only so much video playbacks he can handle in a week.

BTW, I don't think we can get back to third at the weekend no matter how well we play, can we?  I may be figuring all wrong but it doesn't seem so.

SecretFly wrote:That's one tough weekend coming from Ireland, Portnoy!!

Play France on Saturday and Scotland on Sunday?

I think people are working Schmidt too hard here!  There is only so much video playbacks he can handle in a week.

BTW, I don't think we can get back to third at the weekend no matter how well we play, can we?  I may be figuring all wrong but it doesn't seem so.

Red face (again) cut and paste error

OP fixed.

And thanks.

After checking that Ireland aren't playing three or four times this week, there's a new OP.

Ireland and France can gain places in the greasy pole and Georgia could supplant Italy in the Euro top 6.

How are the 6Ns administered for promoting / relegating teams?

A glass ceiling, I suspect.

New OP. And Ireland have a fine opportunity to consolidate their third place.

Or Wales to displace Oz in 5th place...

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:New OP. And Ireland have a fine opportunity to consolidate their third place.

Or Wales to displace Oz in 5th place...

More incentive still for Wales to beat the schit out of us - get on top of Australia without having to beat them!

SecretFly wrote:

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:New OP. And Ireland have a fine opportunity to consolidate their third place.

Or Wales to displace Oz in 5th place...

More incentive still for Wales to beat the schit out of us - get on top of Australia without having to beat them!

You're quietly confident your blokes can win in Cardiff though, fly?
Think I'd rather see the gap widen than Wales overtake us without winning against us these last few years.
If they do manage to upset Ireland... then more incentive for us the pull our socks up later in the year.

Boy oh boy, Oz in fifth, that must be the lowest they've ever been on the rankings surely?

Yes 5th is their lowest ranking which they dropped to in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2014–15.

That's why their coach is coaching two teams this year...to get more practice at it...

New OP

If Italy lose and Georgia win, then Geo rise above them.

If Scotland lose, they fall behind Japan to 11th.

Big game for Georgia.

Scotland are .52 ahead of Japan. They can lose a maximum of .435. So they will be no worse than 10th

Well Georgia have gone above Italy now after their win in Romania (well done Georgia on winning the trophy again). Scotland are just floating above Japan.

This is silly. The ref called off a match between Japan and HK because of rain. The result is deemed a draw, and so Japan drop two places in the rankings.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/06/01/more-sports/rugby/jones-still-upset-handling-arc-finale/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1gxJcrzk2I

That is crazy

Theres actually quite a few people there just watching the rain.

What's crazy - or at least intrestin' - is that guys can't seem to see risks involved in a 'rain' storm in Hong Kong. Yeah, we get tons of rain here in Northern Europe and play in it all winter but it's kind of a different beast to heavy rain in the tropics, as an Aussie should know. That rain can come with some pretty lethal lightening strikes.

Water, lightening and players ain't a good mix. I can understand that game being called off.

SecretFly wrote:What's crazy - or at least intrestin' - is that guys can't seem to see risks involved in a 'rain' storm in Hong Kong.  Yeah, we get tons of rain here in Northern Europe and play in it all winter but it's kind of a different beast to heavy rain in the tropics, as an Aussie should know.  That rain can come with some pretty lethal lightening strikes.

Water, lightening and players ain't a good mix.  I can understand that game being called off.

There's no need at all for such a match to count at all towards the rankings. There would be howls of protest from any top teams who suffered that way, so it's disappointing that there are no calls to review the rules just because it was lowly Japan who got a raw deal.

New OP.

A bunch of no-hopers at it again.

#2 team can't catch #1 if they win by a hundred.

Sad innit?

The Northern Hemisphere rejoin the fray thank Bill.

I'm looking forward to the Wales Ireland game.

And looking at blood colours in the event of head knocks - I wonder if they'll compare and contrast like in the Saffer/Blecks game.

Will the Wales Ireland game count for ranking points? Is it a capped match?

Well, espn, WRU and IRFU appear to think it's a test on Saturday.

http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html
http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/matchcentre/index.php
http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixturesandresults

So yes is my opinion.

If Ireland beat Wales they could overtake the boks at no2.
If Australia have a big win they could stroll into no.2.
It's conjested.

They (Ireland) would have to win by 15 points though which is a big ask in Cardiff.

blackcanelion wrote:If Ireland beat Wales they could overtake the boks at no2.
If Australia have a big win they could stroll into no.2.
It's conjested.

Wayne Barnes is refereeing. I fancy an Australia win. With Barnes anything can happen.

Ireland are now ranked #2 in the world taking over South Africa, not sure of how an SA win will affect that.

GunsGerms wrote:

blackcanelion wrote:If Ireland beat Wales they could overtake the boks at no2.
If Australia have a big win they could stroll into no.2.
It's conjested.

Wayne Barnes is refereeing. I fancy an Australia win. With Barnes anything can happen.

Barnes was excellent. He probably had the best performance of the weekend after Argentina.

So far as I see it (at a quick scan), the rankings are now
1 nzl 92.72 =
2 irl 86.89 +1
3 aus 86.84 +2
4 eng 85.40 =
5 saf 84.37 -3
6 wal 82.94 =
7 fra 79.74 =
8 arg 79.17 =

Another first for Schmidtology. We ain't never been 2nd ranked before. I'm afraid to look down now. The air is thin up here folks!!!

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

blackcanelion wrote:If Ireland beat Wales they could overtake the boks at no2.
If Australia have a big win they could stroll into no.2.
It's conjested.

Wayne Barnes is refereeing. I fancy an Australia win. With Barnes anything can happen.

Barnes was excellent. He probably had the best performance of the weekend after Argentina.

Got to agree with your summary of Barnes.

Poite made mistakes that set the Argies on their way.
But they deserved it (just).

Yawn. Barnes is the worst ref in world rugby by a long shot. Absolutely dire.

World Rugby obviously disagree given that he's frequently given top fixtures. Most sane fans disagree with you too.

Luckily he's pencilled in for your quarter-final clash with NZ so you can see him at close-quarters again (and maybe change your mind)

Cyril wrote:World Rugby obviously disagree given that he's frequently given top fixtures. Most sane fans disagree with you too.

Luckily he's pencilled in for your quarter-final clash with NZ so you can see him at close-quarters again (and maybe change your mind)

Thats debateable. World rugby axed him after an Ireland v Wales 6 nations game from the list of elite referees in the past and they also sent him to New Zealand to referee a number of NPC games to give him the opportunity to repair the damage he created after the '07 France v NZ debacle. Its pretty obvious they dont think that much of him.

The quarter final referees have not been announced yet. I have watched him very closely over the last 10 years in approx 14 Ireland games and I can confirm categorically he is the worst referee I can remember in rugby union.