Top 3 ATG climactic beatings!

Following the disgraceful early stoppage in the Enzo Macrenelli fight I thought I would post 3 fights which demonstrate the brutal yet exciting nature of boxing

3) - Cooney v Norton

2) - Mercer v Morrison

1) - Williams v Jack

All three victims survived and went on to live happy and full lives ISJ take note.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:All three victims survived and went on to live happy and full lives

Dont think this quite applies to Tommy Morrison mind...

Vitali vs Shannon was painful to watch.

Also Vitali vs Danny williams

Id also throw in Pacquiao vs Cotto and Margarito vs Cotto. Brutal hammerings.

Riddick Bowe gave Herbie Hide quite a leathering if I remember correctly?

Bowe v Golota if that counts

Martinez vs Chavez
Pacquiao vs Hatton
Mayweather vs Gatti
Tyson vs Everyone (in his prime)

Froch vs Bute
Ward vs Dawson
Foreman vs Fraizer

There are so many to choose from its hard to say so I will pick three of the first that popped into my head.

1. Lewis v Tyson - Lewis completely dominated Tyson and refused to be intimidated by him. A masterclass in how to deal with a bully.

2. Hagler v Hearns - an epic war that showed how tough Hagler was. One of the best fighters of all time and this is a fight that should be watched over and over. Its a personal favourite of mine.

3. Calzaghe v Jones - Calzaghe completely dominated Jones. Embarrased him. People say that the fight happened too late but I believe this is what would have happened if they had fought earlier. A masterclass from Calzaghe who is the second best fighter ever from Britain. Only Lewis was better.

Clueless.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Clueless.

Gordy wrote:There are so many to choose from its hard to say so I will pick three of the first that popped into my head.

1. Lewis v Tyson - Lewis completely dominated Tyson and refused to be intimidated by him. A masterclass in how to deal with a bully.

2. Hagler v Hearns - an epic war that showed how tough Hagler was. One of the best fighters of all time and this is a fight that should be watched over and over. Its a personal favourite of mine.

3. Calzaghe v Jones - Calzaghe completely dominated Jones. Embarrased him. People say that the fight happened too late but I believe this is what would have happened if they had fought earlier. A masterclass from Calzaghe who is the second best fighter ever from Britain. Only Lewis was better.

I died a little bit reading this.

FreekShow wrote:Riddick Bowe gave Herbie Hide quite a leathering if I remember correctly?

I watched that fight a few months ago and Hide looked like the better fighter. But something was wrong and it seemed that he lost all stamina half way through the fight and light punches were hurting him eg going down for a count due to a jab.

Gordy wrote:There are so many to choose from its hard to say so I will pick three of the first that popped into my head.

1. Lewis v Tyson - Lewis completely dominated Tyson and refused to be intimidated by him. A masterclass in how to deal with a bully.

2. Hagler v Hearns - an epic war that showed how tough Hagler was. One of the best fighters of all time and this is a fight that should be watched over and over. Its a personal favourite of mine.

3. Calzaghe v Jones - Calzaghe completely dominated Jones. Embarrased him. People say that the fight happened too late but I believe this is what would have happened if they had fought earlier. A masterclass from Calzaghe who is the second best fighter ever from Britain. Only Lewis was better.

Possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on this or any forum.

You and maybe Calzaghe are the only people on the PLANET who believes this tripe.

Tommy Hearns gave Roberto Duran a classic beatdown.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Gordy wrote:There are so many to choose from its hard to say so I will pick three of the first that popped into my head.

1. Lewis v Tyson - Lewis completely dominated Tyson and refused to be intimidated by him. A masterclass in how to deal with a bully.

2. Hagler v Hearns - an epic war that showed how tough Hagler was. One of the best fighters of all time and this is a fight that should be watched over and over. Its a personal favourite of mine.

3. Calzaghe v Jones - Calzaghe completely dominated Jones. Embarrased him. People say that the fight happened too late but I believe this is what would have happened if they had fought earlier. A masterclass from Calzaghe who is the second best fighter ever from Britain. Only Lewis was better.

Possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on this or any forum.

You and maybe Calzaghe are the only people on the PLANET who believes this tripe.

To be fair though they were both old when they fought each other so it's not like one was in their prime in their late 20's and the other was old.

I dunno who would hve won in their prime as both were great boxers.

Calzaghe may have been ever so slightly past his best but he was a slow burner who peaked in his mid 30's while Jones was completely shot.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Calzaghe may have been ever so slightly past his best but he was a slow burner who peaked in his mid 30's while Jones was completely shot.

Yes Jones was at his best in the 90's early 2000's but I would also say Calzaghe was at his best in the early 2000's too. Near the end of Calzaghe's career he has 1 ko out of his last 7 fights which is a horrible record and shows as he got older he lost a lot of power (not that he was famous for it but 1/7 is really bad). However in the early 2000's he had 8 ko's out of 11 fights so he seemed to have a lot more power.

Jones was probably past his best more than calzaghe when they met (maybe due to being 3 years older) but neither of them were in their prime I would say and both were the wrong side of 35.

I agree with victor though not for the same reasons. I think as his opponents picked up and he became widely known he started turning it on more and it just seemed that he peaked late. That said Jones beats him by ud/sd

victorgarco wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Calzaghe may have been ever so slightly past his best but he was a slow burner who peaked in his mid 30's while Jones was completely shot.

Yes Jones was at his best in the 90's early 2000's but I would also say Calzaghe was at his best in the early 2000's too. Near the end of Calzaghe's career he has 1 ko out of his last 7 fights which is a horrible record and shows as he got older he lost a lot of power (not that he was famous for it but 1/7 is really bad). However in the early 2000's he had 8 ko's out of 11 fights so he seemed to have a lot more power.

Jones was probably past his best more than calzaghe when they met (maybe due to being 3 years older) but neither of them were in their prime I would say and both were the wrong side of 35.

Using age is just an excuse people use for Jones. He was not much older than Calzaghe when they fought and Calzaghe dominated him. He would have done the same whenever they fought but Jones avoided him earlier in his career. People who knew their boxing knew Calzaghe was a great fighter and didnt want to have to fight him. Sven Ottke? Remember him? He avoided Calzaghe for years. Jones nver wanted to face guys like Calzaghe, Benn and Eubank and even Steve Collins who was well known as a hard man is rumoured to have not wanted any part of fighting Calzaghe so it just goes to show how feared he was. Jones is a dreadfully overrated fighter because he just didnt fight the best guys out there. I said for years Eubank or Calzaghe would have beaten him and when he finally did fight Calzaghe I was proven right! In many ways it was similar for Lennox Lewis. Other fighters knew how good he was and didnt want to face him. Riddick Bowe famously avoided having to fight him and even Mike Tyson was not keen on it. Lewis showed why!

Gordy, how does Jones fare against Collins, Eubank and Benn in your entirely unbiased opinion?

I can answer that goldenbhoy - Eubank attacks him like George Foreman and beats him to a pulp, Benn fights like Sweet pea and toys with jones before finishing him with a leaping left uppercut thrown with both feet on the rope while Calzaghe fans him with a giant leaf. And Collins beats him points UD because he is the reincarnation of willie pep.

victorgarco wrote:Jones was probably past his best more than calzaghe when they met.

A masterpiece of understatement there, Victor.

I don't see any evidence at all to suggest that Calzaghe was at his peak in the early 2000s as you suggest, to be honest. The contests against the likes of Veit, Woodhall and McIntyre weren't the biggest names on Calzaghe's record, and nor were they his signature performances. It wasn't until 2006, when he dominated Lacy, that he entered the pound for pound discussion in any capacity, and he'd certainly never produced a performance as good as that previously. By that stage, Jones had already lost three times on the spin to Tarver and Johnson. Calzaghe's knockout percentage falling in the latter stages of his career is down to him simply facing better opposition in his final years as much as anything else. Even before he elevated his career by finally taking on the bigger names, there was a pattern on his record showing that, in general, the best men he faced (Eubank, Reid, Brewer) often went the full twelve with him.

There is absolutely no stock to be put in the Jones-Calzaghe fight of 2008, I'm afraid. Comparing fighters by age is a half-truth at best, and the fact remains that it was merely a something like prime / peak Calzaghe simply running over the washed-up remains of Jones' shell. Calzaghe had spent the few years leading up to that fight in the best form of his life, scoring the biggest victories of his career. Jones had spent them in the worst form of his life, suffering a string of ignominious defeats against men who he'd have surely swatted with contempt in his own peak.

Calzaghe's wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins deserve a great deal of praise and credit, and add hugely to his legacy. The same can't really be said of his win against Jones.

Have you lot seen Holmes vs Mercer? Strange fight - Holmes made him look like his bitch for the most part.

ShahenshahG wrote:Have you lot seen Holmes vs Mercer? Strange fight - Holmes made him look like his bitch for the most part.

I think this fight is an example of why Lewis in the mid 1990s wasnt yet "great". Holmes and Lewis are oftened compared as fighters who like work off the jab but an ancient Holmes controlled Mercer with far more authority than Lewis managed a few years later. I watched the Lewis/Mercer fight recently enough and in my head I always remembered it as being a close but clear win for Lewis. When I watched it back I was actually surprised at how much closer it was. Definately a strong case for Mercer winning that fight.

6oldenbhoy wrote:Gordy, how does Jones fare against Collins, Eubank and Benn in your entirely unbiased opinion?

Im not being biased at all Im being realistic. People would have called me biased for picking Lewis to beat Tyson but it was based on what I saw and knew and not on any bias! Collins, Eubank and Benn would have beaten Jones. They all fought each other but Jones never got involved with them. He wasnt interested in the fight because he knew they were tough opponents. Like I said in my other post, Collins was a well known hard man in boxing who fought Benn and Eubank twice and said he would have fought Jones for free but even Collins did not want to tangle with Calzaghe so it shows how much Calzaghe was rated and avoided.

m not being biased at all Im being realistic

Joseph Fritzel also thought what he was doing wasn't morally shocking.