2012/13 Premier League discussion thread part 2

by Guest Sat 17 Nov 2012, 7:26 pm

First topic message reminder :

The discussion(s) continue here guys.

Unbelievable win for the Canaries tonight which see's Man City top for the first time this season, will they hold on.

QPR - still without a win - look doomed and Aston Villa drop into the bottom 3.

by GSC Sat 15 Dec 2012, 5:12 pm

Though the reaction to Rodgers is what I thought might turn Managers away. Though the name brings prestige it also brings expectation, which when combined with a pretty ordinary squad bar Suarez and limited resources makes those expectations pretty unrealistic

by GSC Sat 15 Dec 2012, 5:13 pm

Dalglish certainly had a hand in these transfers.

Comolli also lost his job.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 5:37 pm

Paul Lambert has Brendan Rodgers's number. I've said it before and today proves it again

As for the mighty yellows, solid win today, should have won by more but for some heroics from Al-Habsi. Ronnie Stam is the worst player I have seen at Carrow Road this season including Andrew Surman.

And today was the worst all round refereeing performance I have ever seen by Lee Probert. Talk about wanting to be centre of attention

by GSC Sat 15 Dec 2012, 5:39 pm

Centre of attention

Norwich vs Wigan

lol

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 5:43 pm

Tell me about it GSC Laugh

Wigan i know were missing some centre backs but my god if they didnt have Al-Habsi they would be in serious trouble.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:13 pm

Did Brendan Rodgers really say Liverpool could finish 2nd before the game today?

by GSC Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:17 pm

He meant 2nd in the game Olly

by Duty281 Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:23 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20735575 Laugh

Pure embarrassment that for Liverpool. Good to see QPR win, that should get their season going. Not a single clean sheet today in the Premier League!

by GSC Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:30 pm

Was getting worried QPR were going to set a new record for least points

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:30 pm

Rodgers really does think very highly of himself doesn't he!

Sebastien Bassong is god

by GSC Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:31 pm

Rodgers has always been a knob

Always thought of himself as the Special One mk 2.

by The Special Juan Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:36 pm

Silly from Rodgers. That wasn't motivation, it was a silly, unrealistic target and put pressure on his players. Doubt we'll be hearing him say something like that again.

by Guest Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:50 pm

The Special Juan wrote:Silly from Rodgers. That wasn't motivation, it was a silly, unrealistic target and put pressure on his players. Doubt we'll be hearing him say something like that again.

He'll be saying it again this time next year..at whatever Championship club he's managing.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:57 pm

So who's gonna want to go to Liverpool in January?

by mystiroakey Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:02 pm

There is less pressure on the england job than the liverpool one!!

Got to give rodgers some time i think.. Well i hope!

by GSC Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:16 pm

FreekShow wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:Silly from Rodgers. That wasn't motivation, it was a silly, unrealistic target and put pressure on his players. Doubt we'll be hearing him say something like that again.

He'll be saying it again this time next year..at whatever Championship club he's managing.

I dunno, seeing him survive getting Liverpool relegated is a stretch

by The Special Juan Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:17 pm

FreekShow wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:Silly from Rodgers. That wasn't motivation, it was a silly, unrealistic target and put pressure on his players. Doubt we'll be hearing him say something like that again.

He'll be saying it again this time next year..at whatever Championship club he's managing.

League 1 if he's lucky.

by The Special Juan Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:53 pm

Kolarov reported for apparent racist behaviour.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:54 pm

Goddamn Serbs

by **hampo17** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:57 pm

Apparently two fans tried to wind him up by waiving an Albaina flag at him, probably hasn't said anything racist just abusive which the fans deserved if they where being idiots.

by **Crimey** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 9:46 pm

mystiroakey wrote:There is less pressure on the england job than the liverpool one!!

Got to give rodgers some time i think.. Well i hope!

Dalglish didn't really get the time to turn things around, I don't get why the standards should be different. I think the team has been worse this year as well, less promise in the play, for every step forward, it's two steps backwards.

Before people say that I'm biased towards Dalglish because of his past, I was born after he'd left the club so can only really comment on what saw last year.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 9:53 pm

Think you're with Rodgers for the long haul. No point sacking him only a part of the way through him installing his ethos into the club.

Its a sink or swim situation, at the moment its sinking, but long way to go yet

by Ent Sat 15 Dec 2012, 10:15 pm

Liverpool have been conned, Rodgers is an absolute bullshitter who's best attribute is his ability to talk himself into jobs.

May as well have stuck with daglish. It's gonna end in tears yet again.

by westisbest Sat 15 Dec 2012, 11:22 pm

just seen the liverpool-villa highlights on motd.

again 3 good goals. Benteke is quality, probably his best performance in a villa shirt, that back heel for weimann's goal, was great.

2 good goals himself.

bit lucky the ref didnt give them a penalty, but hey, some you get, some you dont.

like the link up play between the 2.

unbeaten in our last 6 games now.
go to stamford bridge next sunday, gotta be confident we can get something.

by Ent Sat 15 Dec 2012, 11:43 pm

Fellaini forgetting what sport he is playing, the big talentless ganch.

by Liam Sat 15 Dec 2012, 11:45 pm

Fellaini should be banned for 10 games and fined at least 6 weeks wages for his conduct on the pitch today. He's always been a dirty player in my eyes, for example, when he jumped in 2 footed in the merseyside derby, yet, the liverpool player was sent off. Today:

-Blatant head but
-Elbowing to the face
-Punch to the face

Sheer thugery, no place for that on the football pitch and he needs to be taught a lesson, a harsh one at that.

by Guest Sat 15 Dec 2012, 11:47 pm

Moyes said in his post match interview that he'll be dealt with accordingly. I agree that a long ban is in order. Silly boy.

by Ent Sat 15 Dec 2012, 11:48 pm

He's a big useless ganch and if the rules were enforced he wouldn't have a career in professional football.

He'll get 3 games though.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 15 Dec 2012, 11:52 pm

Wouldnt exactly say he is a bad player but he needs to be taught a lesson for that and good on Moyes for saying so

by Liam Sat 15 Dec 2012, 11:54 pm

Harsh Ent, he's hardly talentless. Been one of the best players in the prem this year, destroyed us first game of the season.

by Ent Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:24 am

Not really, see what contribution he makes to games when not pushing the rules to and beyond their limits. Very little. A few swingers have flown in for him this year but that doesn't mean he has any talent.

by Liam Sun 16 Dec 2012, 1:07 am

He holds the ball up very well, has excellent technical ability for a man of his size (and ridiculous hair like that). Clearly has an eye for goal, I know he's a dirty player but that doesn't mean he's not talented. Its all opinions though.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 16 Dec 2012, 9:12 am

He's one of the most talented players I've seen live this season. Got a very good touch and strike on him, and holds the ball up well to bring others into play.

Sure he is physical, and sometimes too physical but a good old physical battle with a CB is what I still like to see in the game

by GSC Sun 16 Dec 2012, 9:21 am

If you don't think Fellaini is talented, you should just stop watching football period.

by Guest Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:23 pm

I bet Rafa Benitez is looking forward to next Sunday's home tie with Villa after that result.

by The Special Juan Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:55 pm

Fellaini's really petulant and that needs to be sorted. Moyes can be counted on to do that. I don't see how the headbutt hurt though; surely his hair was enough padding?

Benteke's phenomenal; no wonder Dazza Bent isn't getting a look-in.

by mystiroakey Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:56 pm

i think villa was threatening a good game tbh.. Playing some really nice footy recently.. just a bit on the lightweight side.. can see them getting out of the relegation threats

by Ent Sun 16 Dec 2012, 1:43 pm

Liam wrote:He holds the ball up very well, has excellent technical ability for a man of his size (and ridiculous hair like that). Clearly has an eye for goal, I know he's a dirty player but that doesn't mean he's not talented. Its all opinions though.

Just says it all he either has good technique or he doesn't, size doesn't come into it.

He's a big lump who catches a few swingers flush.

by westisbest Sun 16 Dec 2012, 1:57 pm

Benteke is on fire, lets hope he keeps it up.

Weimann playing well to.

Bent will have to take a back seat.

by Guest Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:08 pm

It was refreshing to see Moyes say what he said, only too often you see managers protest that their player was innocent, but Fellaini deserves the book throwing at him for three red card offences.

Benteke's been looking unplayable at times this season, did it against United, too. I do love a striker that will bully the defenders and Skrtel and Agger looked like rabbits in the headlights yesterday.

Also, just how ominous is it that Rooney and RVP are starting to forge a partnership at this stage? Think it's like 9 goals between them in their last 4/5 games.

by The Special Juan Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:13 pm

I hope Fellaini gets as much as Joey Barton got, but I doubt it.

If the press keep this up I might feel sorry for Chelsea!!

"Chelsea added global humiliation to their European embarrassment on Sunday as they became the first Champions League holders to fail to win the Club World Cup for six years going down 1-0 to Corinthians."

by Lumbering_Jack Mon 17 Dec 2012, 9:23 am

Agree Fellani was a bit silly but I thought Stoke players were hard. Share cross rolling around like a sissy was a bit much...

3 game ban is fine. Was hardly a damaging blow.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:01 am

Crimey wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:There is less pressure on the england job than the liverpool one!!

Got to give rodgers some time i think.. Well i hope!

Dalglish didn't really get the time to turn things around, I don't get why the standards should be different. I think the team has been worse this year as well, less promise in the play, for every step forward, it's two steps backwards.

Before people say that I'm biased towards Dalglish because of his past, I was born after he'd left the club so can only really comment on what saw last year.

WHAT??!! He was given triple the amount of time any other manager would have, a substantially more than his poorly treated predecessor, Hodgson.

He contributed and achieved little during his tenure and his past was allowed to gloss over this. The Yanks know about PR and marketing better than most and his useless handling of the Suarez affair was his death knell. If he'd performed better then, then he might have had an extra season of leeway to continue his mediocrity and try to 'turn things around'.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:04 am

The Special Juan wrote:I hope Fellaini gets as much as Joey Barton got, but I doubt it.

If the press keep this up I might feel sorry for Chelsea!!

"Chelsea added global humiliation to their European embarrassment on Sunday as they became the first Champions League holders to fail to win the Club World Cup for six years going down 1-0 to Corinthians."

In fairness they're probably the most mediocre and undeserving winners of the CL in 6 years too, so it's hardly surprising.

by **Crimey** Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:39 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Crimey wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:There is less pressure on the england job than the liverpool one!!

Got to give rodgers some time i think.. Well i hope!

Dalglish didn't really get the time to turn things around, I don't get why the standards should be different. I think the team has been worse this year as well, less promise in the play, for every step forward, it's two steps backwards.

Before people say that I'm biased towards Dalglish because of his past, I was born after he'd left the club so can only really comment on what saw last year.

WHAT??!! He was given triple the amount of time any other manager would have, a substantially more than his poorly treated predecessor, Hodgson.

He contributed and achieved little during his tenure and his past was allowed to gloss over this. The Yanks know about PR and marketing better than most and his useless handling of the Suarez affair was his death knell. If he'd performed better then, then he might have had an extra season of leeway to continue his mediocrity and try to 'turn things around'.

He had one full season, in which the main issue was not being able to put the ball in the net. I think we played a lot better last season than we have at al times this season. I believe there was more to Hodgson's dismissal than just the poor football and awful results, and that was because he was appointed manager by Hicks and Gillet, when FSG took over they didn't want him there any more. If you had to watch the rubbish of Hodgson, you'd realise that he wasn't ever going to be a success. People point at the bad signings of Dalglish, but Downing, Adam, Enrique even Carroll are far superior to Konchesky and Poulsen. Hodgson alienated players like Agger and Johnson and was a walking, talking disaster.

If the Yanks knew so much about PR, why did they not step in? I think it's naive to think that Dalglish was the decision maker on the Suarez situation, why would he have been? It was badly handled obviously, but FSG know all about PR and marketing, as you said, so why would they hand it all to Dalglish and why wouldn't they step in. I also feel Dalglish and the whole club were badly let down by Suarez who had professed his innocence throughout the whole trial and afterwards so it was difficult for Dalgish and FSG. Chelsea reacted in a similar way when Terry was charged by standing by him.

by **Crimey** Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:41 am

Mario Balotelli is taking Manchester City to a tribunal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20756755

Surely that's got to be the nail in the coffin for his City career, two week's fine for him is nothing, so it's more than that. I think the fine is right (it was for poor discipline last season) and would be disappointed if the Premier League overturn it.

This is a clear and audacious rejection of City and Mancini's authority and I can't imagine they'll be too happy about it. For City's sake, let's hope he's sold in the January.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:45 am

Who on earth will want to sign him though Crimey?! I think he is a terribly overrated player, for every good game there is 5/6 average ones and he is on £170,000 a week!!!!!! Crazy

by compelling and rich Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:46 am

outsider looking in, but it had to be the transfers that cost KD. its all well and good saying thier better than poulsen and konchesky but they didnt cost 85 mil!

on the suarez issue, he didnt seem in control of the issue at all. the attack on the journalist about the hand shake and general agression towards anyone who asked about it while suarez was in the wrong was clearly not great. chelsea manager on the other hand went very quite and no stupid t-shirts.

by compelling and rich Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:48 am

Olly wrote:Who on earth will want to sign him though Crimey?! I think he is a terribly overrated player, for every good game there is 5/6 average ones and he is on £170,000 a week!!!!!! Crazy

nobody will imo, they will send him out on loan while still covering some of his wages

by **Crimey** Mon 17 Dec 2012, 11:49 am

Olly wrote:Who on earth will want to sign him though Crimey?! I think he is a terribly overrated player, for every good game there is 5/6 average ones and he is on £170,000 a week!!!!!! Crazy

PSG? AC Milan? They're both rumoured to want to sign him, he'll probably have to take a pay-cut or City could just pay a portion of his wages while his contract runs out. He's a liability and they need to get rid.

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