calzaghe

by Champagne_Socialist Thu 22 Nov 2012, 5:58 pm

First topic message reminder :

Calzaghe said "I'll never fight washed up fighters like Roy Jones."

12 months later he was in the ring with a washed up fighter caleed Roy Jones.

So why did he choose to fight him having publicly said he was past his best? money? or the hope that a big name like jones no matter how past his best he is will look good.

by Herman Jaeger Fri 23 Nov 2012, 6:53 pm

I see that as a very tough fight for Calzaghe Shah. The fact that Calzaghe said Pascal wasn't world class leads me to believe Pascal might just be able to get Calzaghe out early.

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 23 Nov 2012, 6:56 pm

ahahahaha

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 23 Nov 2012, 7:09 pm

It's funny because at one time I was Calzaghe's biggest detractor....

Yet now I have a grudging admiration for him....

1. The Hoppo win has improved over time...

2. He beat some quality fighters.....Eubank, Reid......etc

3. Mitchell and Lacy were world class wins.

4. Ten years at the top is a great achievement.

5. He retired unbeaten.........

6. Unlike Froch he always found a way to win..

7. He stayed retired..........

Time will be good to Joe Calzaghe...............

As for the thread fighters always say "things"

by Herman Jaeger Fri 23 Nov 2012, 7:21 pm

Time will be good to Calzaghe................'

Or will it?

Unlike Froch, there were a number of fighters he could have fought..

by TheMackemMawler Fri 23 Nov 2012, 7:57 pm

hampo171 wrote:These discussions happened all to often on the old 606, glad we don't get that many on here anymore as it always ends with the same thing.

Anyway, both are exceptional fighters, the run of opponents that Froch has had is pretty much unmatchable. Calzaghe while having a lot of talent, never pushed himself to fight the best. If they had fought I would back Calzaghe to win on work rate but it would be close, and by no means clear cut.

by Imperial Ghosty Fri 23 Nov 2012, 7:59 pm

Pascal beats Kessler 99 times out of 100 and gets Calzaghe out of there early, I just don't see it myself and seems an attempt to add more shine to Frochs win, lest we forget this is the same Pascal who was twice outclassed by a 46 year old Hopkins.

by TheMackemMawler Fri 23 Nov 2012, 8:04 pm

Again put the cr@p aside, facts remain, Calzaghe beat an unbeaten Kessler while Froch was beaten by an older version.

Both are outstanding fighters even if they aren't technically brilliant boxers.

When considering their styles those two sharing a ring would have been a contender for fight of the modern century.

by eddyfightfan Fri 23 Nov 2012, 9:16 pm

i had froch winning the kessler fight and dont hold much over him for it, styles make fights and all that (calzaghe struggled with reid). what gets me is the way people discount both fighters victories over certain fighters. you can only beat the person infront of you at on the night, and neither man had the advantage of retrospect, fighters like bute and lacy were probably the biggest perceived threats at the time and both champions stood up up against the odds (the whole of the us and some of the uk were sure lacy would win, and more than half of 606s, me included thought bute would be too good over the distance for carl). both men have great wins and calzaghes perfect record keeps him 2-3 places above froch in the british all time rankings at the moment but froch is 1-2 wins away, a step up in division would seal it.

by TheMackemMawler Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:04 pm

Calzaghe struggled with Reid? Your point is?

Reid was a good fighter when he shared a ring with Joe; the version that froch fought was finished.

Froch beat a poorer version of Reid than calzaghe beat, and Calzaghe beat a better version of Kessler than froch lost to.

As you say you can only beat the fighter put in front of you.... and froch failed twice.

IMO three times.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:15 pm

The fact Froch has very little competition in the best of British stakes....makes him seem greater than he is.....

Maybe If a Saunders comes through or a Price/Fury then maybe people will be more realistic in their appraisals..

Fact is Kessler isn't really "WORLD" class at any other time...and froch was soundly beaten by Ward........

Bute being honest gets whacked out easily of Benn and Eubank..

by TheMackemMawler Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:17 pm

Hadn't even considered bute against Benn or Eubank.
As you say he would get smashed

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:22 pm

Watson batters him too.......... Cool

by TheMackemMawler Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:31 pm

Agreed.

Considering styles make fights and all, do you think bute would be a little too savvy/complicated for Collins?

Anyway, imagine a froch, calzaghe, benn, collins tourney. Drool

by Steffan Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:40 pm

TheMackemMawler wrote:Anyway, imagine a froch, calzaghe, benn, collins tourney

Throw in Eubank as well

If it was a league setup the final table in my opinion would finish like this:

1. Calzaghe
2. Collins
3. Eubank
4. Benn
5. Froch

by Lumbering_Jack Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:44 pm

Froch can beat them all on his night. To suggest otherwise just shows a dislike for, in my opinion.

by TheMackemMawler Fri 23 Nov 2012, 10:53 pm

Steffan wrote:
TheMackemMawler wrote:Anyway, imagine a froch, calzaghe, benn, collins tourney
Throw in Eubank as well

If it was a league setup the final table in my opinion would finish like this:

1. Calzaghe
2. Collins
3. Eubank
4. Benn
5. Froch

I think Froch beats collins but losses to benn and is even against Eubank. It really is horses for courses in that tourney with each fighter beating a guy that a guy he lost to got beat by (..or something along those lines?)

by Steffan Fri 23 Nov 2012, 11:48 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Froch can beat them all on his night

Other than Calzaghe who beats him 10 times out of 10 I agree. I think 7 times out of 10 though Collins and Eubank outpoint Froch. Benn just has a bit too much ammo for him although it would be a close one and a very entertaining fight no doubt

by aja424 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 8:19 am

seanmichaels wrote:
lfc91 wrote:Quick question not exactly related to the topic, but when did calzaghes hand problems start?

when he signed for warren?

Right after he sighned for him. Thats why he was unable to fill in and sign the application forms for a passport. A shame really because he would of beaten Froch and all the opponents Froch has faced but chose not too.

by aja424 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 8:19 am

aja424 wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:
lfc91 wrote:Quick question not exactly related to the topic, but when did calzaghes hand problems start?

when he signed for warren?

Right after he signed for him. Thats why he was unable to fill in and sign the application forms for a passport. A shame really because he would of beaten Froch and all the opponents Froch has faced but chose not too.

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