Hatton Undercard

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All the talk for the last few weeks has been about Ricky, and rightly so. But has given his fighters the chance to prepare without having cameras stuck in their face every 5 minutes which is bound to help. So how do we see those going?

I think Gary Buckland will get through his fight against Steven Forster JR. Forster JR is a decent boxer but Bucklands power is the real equaliser. I also feel Murray will beat Navarro in a WBA Interim fight putting him right back in the title mix. The one I can't pick is Munroe and Quigg, before the last fight I picked Munroe but Quigg had the better of what little action there was. Possibly Munroe underestimated just how skilled Quigg, hopefully there will be no cuts though.

I'd rather he simply retired, Commander, though if fighting is the only way that he can be at peace with himself then I guess that'd be preferable to a return to the dark days.

tomfinneywalksonwater wrote:What channel is Froch on? Apparently he's giving Hatton a bit of a kicking

the, ahem, 'channel' i was watching it on was al-jazeera I think and Froch and Duke were on that.

What did Froch say?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tomfinneywalksonwater wrote:What channel is Froch on? Apparently he's giving Hatton a bit of a kicking

the, ahem, 'channel' i was watching it on was al-jazeera I think and Froch and Duke were on that.

Cheers that'll be why I hadn't heard it then. I watched it on prime time and I think the commentary team were watching a different fight for the majority.

My guts are playing me up I been back and for the bog all night

tomfinneywalksonwater wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tomfinneywalksonwater wrote:What channel is Froch on? Apparently he's giving Hatton a bit of a kicking

the, ahem, 'channel' i was watching it on was al-jazeera I think and Froch and Duke were on that.

Cheers that'll be why I hadn't heard it then. I watched it on prime time and I think the commentary team were watching a different fight for the majority.

I thought froch was just trying to be unbiased and neutral. He gave an honest opinion.

Duke McKenzie (the other commentator) was just so negative.

Steffan wrote:My guts are playing me up I been back and for the bog all night

Always good to know. Dodgy leak sarnie was it?

Nice words on Twitter from ODLH:

@HitmanHatton you are a valiant, courageous, and superb human being. Hold your head above the clouds my man. We are all very proud of you!

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

Steffan wrote:My guts are playing me up I been back and for the bog all night

Always good to know. Dodgy leak sarnie was it?

I actually dont like leaks which is a pain as my mother always puts them on a roast dinner if I pop round on a sunday

Think it was some chicken although mixing Heineken lager, Directors courage and Speckled Hen ale earlier may not have helped either...

Steffan wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

Steffan wrote:My guts are playing me up I been back and for the bog all night

Always good to know. Dodgy leak sarnie was it?

I actually dont like leaks which is a pain as my mother always puts them on a roast dinner if I pop round on a sunday

Think it was some chicken although mixing Heineken lager, Directors courage and Speckled Hen ale earlier may not have helped either...

Leaks are a poor mans onion.

I got the feeling hatton will want to go out on a win so don't be surprised if he arranges another fight

Morales was being mentioned as was katsidis for a return bout and both are winnable or hatton and would make big numbers

I hope not but boxers seem to hold on more than any other sportsmen to lost dreams and I can see hatton being the same

Does anyone look at this photo and think if you were Hatton it would be a different ring you would be trying to suceed in?

Spoiler:

Froch was a bit harsh on Ricky but Duke was so harsh it was untrue...

In hind site it was a silly fight to take straight away. the guy is an ex champ who was undefeated up till his last fight, very experienced and good pedigree.. you take over three and a half years out while gaining loads of weight and then jump in the deep end like that and you are asking for trouble..

He actually did not do so bad but just looked like he gassed and lost focus which is no surprise. I think he under estimated his opponent and god a rude awakening..

He should have started out with a couple easier fights first to iron out some rust or maybe even work out one or two weaknesses...

Regarding Froch, I used to like the guy but over the last year I have gone off him, to many cheap shots and self praise, he is a good fighter but not as good as he thinks.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I got the feeling hatton will want to go out on a win so don't be surprised if he arranges another fight

Morales was being mentioned as was katsidis for a return bout and both are winnable or hatton and would make big numbers

I hope not but boxers seem to hold on more than any other sportsmen to lost dreams and I can see hatton being the same

I would not be surprised, thing is boxers dont listen most of the time. He will now wonder *did i come in too quick... my punch resistence was ok... i had some good rounds... it was just to much for a come back fight... *..

And this will leave a nagging in his head..

If he had had a couple easier fights to build him self up and then took on a Paulie or something, then if he had lost it would have been complete closure. But the thing is we don't know what was in his head, maybe he just needed this defeat to close those doubts and let it rest... time will tell.

I feel sorry for him. He took on a big challenge on his comeback and it didn't pay off. Most would have had a warm up fight before a live opponent

It almost paid off., He wasn't being outclassed before he went down.

Well done ricky for trying!

At the fight and that was a heartbreaking ending! As has already been mentioned the ring rust really showed from 5 onwards.

The frustration from those of here watching was that Hatton actually had some success when he was working the body...something he used to do fantastically was nail some body attacks and that would then allow him the room to work the head.

I was a mere 10ft from him when he got interviewed at the end their and you could just see the heartache etched in his face. It sounded like he was making some very disturbing signals in terms of how he may fare moving forward...was this the case?!

The crowd were incredible at the end and the noise when he left the ring was astounding. I pray he takes that in consideration and can move forward without a repeat of the previous behaviour.

For me, this may sound slightly strange, I think the best thing for us as fans to do is rally around the guy and ensure that he knows how proud he has made everyone. I hope everyone who is on twitter gets on to his page and writes a message of support & tells him just how proud we all are of him. I will be doing so and in some small way hope that by doing so Hatton will not allow his demons to rise once more.

Ricky Hatton - Hero, Legend and a credit to not just himself but British Sport!

Hatton retires again for good apparently.

Bit of shame in the way he took this comeback.. agree with tunes666.

Yep Hatton has retired for good.

One of the most emotional and heart warming post fight press conferences here. Journalists spoke with great fondness and admiration at the end. Many recounted to Hatton himself just how many incredible nights he has given the people of Britain & we all gave a standing ovation and round of applause at the end.

He seemed very at ease with himself which was fantastic to see and I hope that he feels the same when he wakes in the morning.

Not afraid to admit & im sure plenty of others will but there was honestly a room full of grown men crying when he did his post conference.

If he had a 8 rounder against a lightweight or lightwelter (at 147) just to get back into the swing of things and shake off some of the ring rust etc he would have won this fight tonight imo

He came back from 3 1/2 years out of the ring shedding 4.5st in a year straight in with a decent operator who has been fighting regularly, and still managed to last 9 of the scheduled 10 with the scores level on most people's cards. Sparring only gets you so far and a competitive fight with little risk would have done wonders for him as it would have perhaps improved his timing which just wasn't there tonight

Hope he can keep himself healthy and in shape so he can have a good life as a promoter, a trainer and most importantly a dad/husband

Hate it when he says he's a failure, he's so harsh on himself and while senchenko is a bad "L" on his record the other 2 weren't anything to be ashamed of. Some of the best fighters of all time have had comebacks that end in fighters losing to boxers that wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds with them in their prime, it happens

If he'd stayed retire he could have always said "I was only beat by two of the greatest fighters ever to grace the sport"

No so luxury now. Shame.

For being a tough sport boxing sure has a lot of sissy fans...

Why do people feel sorry for Hatton exactly. Because he lived the life of a binge drinking over eater? Because he excised no self control and made himself miserable. He has had breaks that most people would never have in10 lifetimes.

He lost. It's his own fault. He can always console himself with the millions he earned last night from his 'people'.

Welcome to the board carl

Senchenko's a good fighter; defeat at his hands isn't anything to be ashamed of, and unlike many on this board, I'm not totally convinced that Ricky would necessarily have beaten the Ukrainian at 147, even during his salad days. It's possibly worth pointing out that Hatton's few performances at welterweight have generally been so-so, at best. In last night's fight, he again looked small at 147, at least to my eyes, and, as Shah observes on another thread, was well beaten by the finish.

In the cold light of morning, I find some of the sorecards of the "experts" to be frankly amazing; it required an act of some charity on my part to award Hatton three of the nine rounds. As the ninth would have been a 10-8 round if Ricky had risen, you're looking at a score of something like 87-83 on my card. Not terribly close, really. Once again, by the way, Richie Woodhall confirms that he should only ever be allowed to analyse fights that don't involve a British boxer.

What a dissapointment. If Hatton felt that he let alot of people down with his fight against Pacquaio then Im afraid he is going to feel een worse after this. He should not have made a comeback he was not ready for it. He was too tired in the later rounds so his fitness was not there. Alot of the blame for this terrible loss is the trainers fault its his job to know if Hatton was ready and fit enough to fight again and he clearly wasnt. Hatton just lost to a guy that got beat by Malinaggi, the same fighter that Hatton knocked out so sorry there is no chance Hatton would have lost to this guy a few years back. I think Hatton should switch to a trainer who prepares him better because honestly he looked unfit at the end last night. I think he should have another fight because like in football when a player is out for a long time they lose match fitness and Hatton was not match fit last night.

And Froch should shut his mouth I told you on another thread he was being disrespectful to Hatton and he was the same again last night. Maybe he spends too long on this site reading comments calling him a great fighter! He is a tool!

His body is older than his age and he was never much cop at welter. He's had it and he knew it himself a few rounds into the fight when he didnt hurt senchenko with much. A stark reminder of the unsentimentality of boxing as opposed to fans and luminaries - particularly as he was finished by a bodyshot.

Have to disagree Gordy, Ricky should not fight again. You liken him to a footballer who has been out for a while, I'm sorry but this is completely different. He should stay retired happy in the knowledge that he is a hero to many british fans, not many british fighters could sell out an arena in just 6 hours if they are fighting regularly, never mind after 3 years.

It wasn't the Hatton of old, no jab and even worse no body shots. Hattons best punch was the left to the body but without throwing the jab he had no way to get on the inside.

I actually turned the commentary off in the third round last night, so annoying was Woodhall and, in an extremely rare case, Darke as well.

It seems I miscalculated my scorecard, mind you - I said last night I had it all square going in to the ninth, which Senchenko won big, but I'd somehow managed to forget that I had the fifth even, not for Hatton. And as such, I had the man from Ukraine a point up going in to the ninth, which would have been the round which blew out all the candles even if Hatton had made it to his feet before the end of the ten count.

Hatton said that even if he were to lose in this comeback, at least he'd lose with no excuses. He can have no excuse - he had a wonderful training camp, so he says, and Senchenko put in a performance which would have, at the very least, fully extended even a peak version of Ricky.

Hopefully he can find peace in that.

Agree about Woodhall......picks the Brit even if he knows he can't win..

So he can get the work....and play the loyal nice guy..

no time for him....

Yeah he is right to retire, he was taking too many shots and while I think he went about the come back badly and he could have thought out a more gradual plan, its kind of too late now and you cant keep taking shots like that.

I don't think he was wrong coming back, I just think he did not do it right but by the sounds of things he is content now with his choice to retire and the fight served its purpose.

captain carrantuohil wrote: Once again, by the way, Richie Woodhall confirms that he should only ever be allowed to analyse fights that don't involve a British boxer.

Amen to that, is a pity that such an intelligent and articulate guy has such a glaring blind spot when it comes to calling fights involving Brits because watching the fight sober a the proverbial judge last night I was baffled how Richie was arriving at some of his round scores in Ricky's favour as after the fourth I did not see him do a lot other than eat jabs.

Thankfully I didn't hear the commentary, I watched it in a bar, surprised as usually Darke is spot on and one of the better commentators over here, in fact probably the only one I can listen to.

It isn't just the commentary we seem to go over the top, I thought the whole announcer last week at Froch's fight was ridiculous, "INTRODUCING OUR HERO" blah blah blah, its ridiculous and in called for.

Thanks

Rodders

watched the fight late on. Apparently his 'timing was wrong', he had 'ring rust', 'was anxious' and had been 'out of the ring for three years' as these were about the only comments anyone on primetime used all night!!

On a more serious note I don't think I have ever heard a post match interview sound so much like a therapy session. I'm glad Ricky sounded a bit more positive in the press conference. But how on earth did the boxing controllers give him a licence. Hearing his interviews before hand he was clearly troubled to say the least.

Have a break Ricky then throw yourself into training, promoting and punditry. He can have another different successful career.

Is ring rust actually real. People bang on about it all the time but with plenty of good quality sparring surely that should negate any effects of a lay off.

Think it is overused.

Rotherham Joe Gans wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote: Once again, by the way, Richie Woodhall confirms that he should only ever be allowed to analyse fights that don't involve a British boxer.

Amen to that, is a pity that such an intelligent and articulate guy has such a glaring blind spot when it comes to calling fights involving Brits because watching the fight sober a the proverbial judge last night I was baffled how Richie was arriving at some of his round scores in Ricky's favour as after the fourth I did not see him do a lot other than eat jabs.

Post of the day rowley... managing to get intelligent and articulate into a sentence about Richie woodhall, without a hint of irony. Loving your work.

Next challenge:
Paulie
malignaggi
Knockout
Specialist

Sorry milky if you get Woodhall away from calling a fight involving a British fighter he is both of those things, god only knows why it all goes so horribly wrong the minute a Brit steps through the ropes.

No one was more deluded than Hatton himself:

'Err.. I thought I were four rounds up"

Yes Ricky, four rounds up in the bar.



rotapicname

milkyboy wrote:

Rotherham Joe Gans wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote: Once again, by the way, Richie Woodhall confirms that he should only ever be allowed to analyse fights that don't involve a British boxer.

Amen to that, is a pity that such an intelligent and articulate guy has such a glaring blind spot when it comes to calling fights involving Brits because watching the fight sober a the proverbial judge last night I was baffled how Richie was arriving at some of his round scores in Ricky's favour as after the fourth I did not see him do a lot other than eat jabs.

Post of the day rowley... managing to get intelligent and articulate into a sentence about Richie woodhall, without a hint of irony. Loving your work.

Next challenge:
Paulie
malignaggi
Knockout
Specialist

Paulie Malignaggi should defend his belt against Knockout Specialist Lucas Matthysse, that's a fight I'd really like to see.

Good job belchees.

Have to differ on woodhall rowley. being less Neanderthal and punch drunk than your co boxing analysts, is kind of 'in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king' stuff.

One thing we do agree on, is he only uses 1 eye when he 's watching Brits fight

surely the irony has not been lost on the fact he was beaten not only to his own favourite shot, but a liver shot considering all the damage he's done to it outside of the ring.

shame but let's hope he stays fit and healthy and it looks like his promotions team is going from strength to strength and he should be in the gym with his fighters too

Apparently two judges had it 77-76 to Hatton and the other had it 78-74 at the time of the stoppage, so his "I was four rounds up" comment wasn't so wide of the mark.

I've realised that I have no idea how to score a fight though as I had Senchenko ahead 5-2-1 at the time of the (predicted, ahem) stoppage.

To be honest union, when the stoppage came I said to TSMR it was probably for the best as they would have screwed Senchenko on the cards and it indeed looked like that was to be the case based on this, cannot for the life of me see how you could have Hatton up front at the time of the stoppage

I said similar to TIMC, I had told her earlier in the day that Hatton would lose, and when asked if he was indeed losing I said yes, but he will win on points if he lasts to the end, which caused not inconsiderable confusion. It's a "silly game", apparently.

Just wish I'd had the courage to back my prediction with a tenner.

Had to listen on 5 live after destroying the missus's work laptop They had Hatton ahead at the stoppage but you could hear concern / doubt in their voices from the 4th onwards.

Perhaps it was under Manchester Ring Rules whereby you win a round by being hit flush in the face.

The happiest person in this debacle will be his missus. She looked seriously distraught throughout the fight and she appeared to be avoiding looking at the ring completely, with the girl beside her describing what was happening.

I hope Hatton has retired for good this time, but more importantly I hope he realises that keeping himself in shape and living a clean lifestyle is a much happier place for him than his usual out of the ring self. Keeping himself fit, active, clean and sober will go a massive way to stemming some of the inevitable depression that will come in the wake of this.

He only pulled a talented piece like her because he is rich though. She can hardly moan.

I saw the fight at my local cinema which was quite a good experience apart from the cost (£13).

I didn't have any concern before the fight and thought Hatton would win (i'm sure he did otherwise I doubt he'd taken the fight).

Hatton was so wild it was crazy. To me it was like the whole thing got to him and he felt he had to win by spectacular KO.

Senchenko didn't have to do much to start turning the tide which he did from the 5th onwards as Hatton was so easy to hit.

I agreed with the Primetime scorecard which had Hatton up a round after the 8th so I would of had Senchenko up by 1 point going into the last round.

Does anyone know how the judges had the fight scored? Bet it was heavily in hatton's favour?!?

A 78-74 scorecard to Hatton at the time of the stoppage is a travesty of judging. I actually think the fight was reasonably close up to the point of the stoppage. Hatton could feasibly have taken all of the first 4 rounds. But the middle rounds onwards Senchenko became increasingly dominant both in quality and quantity of his work.