Andrew Hore attack on Bradley Davies

by Artful_Dodger Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:06 pm

First topic message reminder :

It was off the ball, from behind and completely unprovoked.

How long should Andrew Hore be getting for this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgqpVdu3KK0
&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN8o_t0Vylo

(Ignore the fact that it says Aaron Jarvis in the second link)

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:29 pm

Henson broke his nose, then tried to kick him but missed....rather ironic given people are calling for him to replace Preistland

by **LondonTiger** Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:32 pm

Dammit PSW, I now have tea all over my laptop Sad

by anotherworldofpain Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:34 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Dammit PSW, I now have tea all over my laptop

I'd blame an All Black and try to get him banned for it, if I were you. That new chappie chief of the IRB will likely take some action on it for you.

by toml Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:35 pm

I don't know why so many other incidents are being dredged up... Look at the incident in hand. Everyone knows the citing commissioners are totally inconsistent.
I have only seen the YouTube clip but it is a cheap act of unnecessary violence. He should been gone for a while. I don't know why he would be defended by anyone. Most NZers have condemned it

by eirebilly Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:38 pm

AWOP, may i just ask you one question and can you give me a simple yes or no answer?

Do you think that Hore's actions were acceptable?

by TJ1 Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:38 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Dammit PSW, I now have tea all over my laptop

I'd blame an All Black and try to get him banned for it, if I were you. That new chappie chief of the IRB will likely NOT take some action on it for you.

by anotherworldofpain Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:38 pm

toml wrote:I don't know why so many other incidents are being dredged up... Look at the incident in hand. Everyone knows the citing commissioners are totally inconsistent.
I have only seen the YouTube clip but it is a cheap act of unnecessary violence. He should been gone for a while. I don't know why he would be defended by anyone. Most NZers have condemned it

I see your point, but this one may be relevant. In an echo of the issue at hand, the orange player with the black spikey hair is apparently actually trying to drown the yellow player whilst singing merrily and making eye contact with the camera. Despicable, and as far as I know, no ban was issued at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh85R-S-dh8

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:00 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:
toml wrote:I don't know why so many other incidents are being dredged up... Look at the incident in hand. Everyone knows the citing commissioners are totally inconsistent.
I have only seen the YouTube clip but it is a cheap act of unnecessary violence. He should been gone for a while. I don't know why he would be defended by anyone. Most NZers have condemned it

I see your point, but this one may be relevant. In an echo of the issue at hand, the orange player with the black spikey hair is apparently actually trying to drown the yellow player whilst singing merrily and making eye contact with the camera. Despicable, and as far as I know, no ban was issued at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh85R-S-dh8

by tigertattie Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:03 pm

6 week ban would be the norm. As its an all black, 2 weeks

by charliehesketh Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:31 pm

Can you report a thread for being bizarre ? Rolling Eyes

by dublin_dave Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:49 pm

absolute cheap shot of the highest order. Should see a 6-8 week ban.

i hope he got some retribution after the incident but not sure if he did.

Most sane Kiwis would say the same. Not sure how anybody can defend it.

by Artful_Dodger Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:01 pm

Bradley Davies in hospital according to Gatland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20480170

by maestegmafia Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:34 pm

Awful off the ball thugish behaviour any lass than a serious ban is inexcusable.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:56 pm

No way Hore will be playing next weekend. Stupid needless stuff. Hansen should sit the players down and stop this nonsense. Really disappointing to see. Don't know if Keven Mealamu will be over his injury by next week.

by Hood83 Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:13 am

Thuggishness of the highest order. Utter, cowardly cheap shot from behind.

by **Biltong** Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:21 am

At the time of the incident I thought, " here comes a citing."

by toml Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:51 am

anotherworldofpain wrote:
toml wrote:I don't know why so many other incidents are being dredged up... Look at the incident in hand. Everyone knows the citing commissioners are totally inconsistent.
I have only seen the YouTube clip but it is a cheap act of unnecessary violence. He should been gone for a while. I don't know why he would be defended by anyone. Most NZers have condemned it

I see your point, but this one may be relevant. In an echo of the issue at hand, the orange player with the black spikey hair is apparently actually trying to drown the yellow player whilst singing merrily and making eye contact with the camera. Despicable, and as far as I know, no ban was issued at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh85R-S-dh8

LMAO... Definitely relevant. I thought it was gonna be Henson; the orange one with the black spikey hair - who else

by MarcusHalberstram Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:42 am

Why do the country, who are - by a country mile - the world's best rugby playing nation, also seem intent on being the dirtiest? Very odd. Hore should have clearly been red carded - as it is... Who knows! Could be anything from 2-? Weeks, though the fanny will probably only miss a game. We expect this nonsense from the saffers, but NZ should be above this. Pathetic. By the way, if 1) Hore had been sent red off (as he should have been) or 2) Priestland & Scitt Andrews hadn't been playing I think this game may have gone either way. Not to say Wales were great - they certainly were not, but there wasn't much between the sides at all weirdly!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:03 am

MarcusHalberstram wrote:Why do the country, who are - by a country mile - the world's best rugby playing nation, also seem intent on being the dirtiest? Very odd.

South Africa are only the second best team in the world Rolling Eyes

by **Biltong** Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:40 am

MarcusHalberstram wrote:Why do the country, who are - by a country mile - the world's best rugby playing nation, also seem intent on being the dirtiest? Very odd. Hore should have clearly been red carded - as it is... Who knows! Could be anything from 2-? Weeks, though the fanny will probably only miss a game. We expect this nonsense from the saffers, but NZ should be above this. Pathetic. By the way, if 1) Hore had been sent red off (as he should have been) or 2) Priestland & Scitt Andrews hadn't been playing I think this game may have gone either way. Not to say Wales were great - they certainly were not, but there wasn't much between the sides at all weirdly!

Correction, the MYTH suggests you expect this from South Afica.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:45 am

Biltong wrote:
MarcusHalberstram wrote:Why do the country, who are - by a country mile - the world's best rugby playing nation, also seem intent on being the dirtiest? Very odd. Hore should have clearly been red carded - as it is... Who knows! Could be anything from 2-? Weeks, though the fanny will probably only miss a game. We expect this nonsense from the saffers, but NZ should be above this. Pathetic. By the way, if 1) Hore had been sent red off (as he should have been) or 2) Priestland & Scitt Andrews hadn't been playing I think this game may have gone either way. Not to say Wales were great - they certainly were not, but there wasn't much between the sides at all weirdly!
Correction, the MYTH suggests you expect this from South Afica.

Quite right Biltong ...the MYTH would suggest that Louw would punch and England player still bound to the scrum in the side of the head after being penalised himslef for breaking off early, or that "not guilty" Estebez would hold the smallest England player by the throat whilst kneeing him in the head then put his hands in his face
kiss

by **Biltong** Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:51 am

Correction Pete, Etzebeth gets penalised for a hand in the face reported by the AR, whilst being taken on by 4 English playwrs of whom one holds Etzebeth by the throat, and just previously had his hand in Etzebeth's face.

Perception is a dangerous thing to use when reporting a match situation.

I suppose it was the lily white jerseys of the four Englishmen that got lost in the background of 81000 people.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:55 am

Biltong wrote:Correction Pete, Etzebeth gets penalised for a hand in the face reported by the AR, whilst being taken on by 4 English playwrs of whom one holds Etzebeth by the throat, and just previously had his hand in Etzebeth's face.

Perception is a dangerous thing to use when reporting a match situation.

I suppose it was the lily white jerseys of the four Englishmen that got lost in the background of 81000 people.

In the words of AWOP, they were just counter rucking

by **Rugby Fan** Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:05 am

Hore's actions are attracting so much opprobrium because it was a violent, cheap shot; he took an opposition player out of the game when it had barely started; and he received no punishment at the time.

These incidents always get attention because the injustice seems especially acute. The same was true of Schalk Burger's eye gouge and the Mealamu/Umaga spear on BOD.

When players do get early red cards, it's an uphill struggle for their remaining teammates. Simon Shaw after 10 and Heaslip after 15 against New Zealand, Warburton after 18 against France, Jannes Labuschagne after 22 against England.

It doesn't automatically mean the other team will win. 14 man Wales probably should have beaten France and NZ might still have been able to win yesterday with a man down. Still, it would have felt more just if they'd actually had to meet that challenge.

Opinions will often be split on violent play. I didn't think Courtney Lawes knee during the World Cup deserved punishment but almost every non-English supporter who saw it thought he was lucky to stay on the pitch. Many people, Welsh or otherwise, remain outraged about Warburton's sending-off, while I understand see why Rolland made the call. Supporters will often jump to the defence of a player if he is thought of as generally a good guy. You can see that in the ways some All Black fans have sought to explain away Adam Thomson's actions.

I'm pleased with most of the early reactions I've seen in the New Zealand media. There's no attempt to excuse Hore. New Zealand play exemplary rugby and many of their supporters work on the assumption their team is above that kind of foul play. When one of their own so clearly falls short of the standards they set themselves, it damages the image they have worked so hard to build.

New Zealand are rightly proud of the haka and the IRB has made a point of ensuring it gets the proper respect. An All Black blindsiding a player, knocking him out cold, just moments after taking part in that great tradition, is not a good look.

by **Biltong** Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:12 am

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
Biltong wrote:Correction Pete, Etzebeth gets penalised for a hand in the face reported by the AR, whilst being taken on by 4 English playwrs of whom one holds Etzebeth by the throat, and just previously had his hand in Etzebeth's face.

Perception is a dangerous thing to use when reporting a match situation.

I suppose it was the lily white jerseys of the four Englishmen that got lost in the background of 81000 people.

In the words of AWOP, they were just counter rucking

Hmmm, outside the field of play? Whistle

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:17 am

That "pleasing reaction" of the New Zealand Herald :

It might have just been clumsy from Hore, an attempt to hook Davies out of the way.

Steve Hansen:

"He looked like he went to get him out of the way

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:18 am

Biltong wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
Biltong wrote:Correction Pete, Etzebeth gets penalised for a hand in the face reported by the AR, whilst being taken on by 4 English playwrs of whom one holds Etzebeth by the throat, and just previously had his hand in Etzebeth's face.

Perception is a dangerous thing to use when reporting a match situation.

I suppose it was the lily white jerseys of the four Englishmen that got lost in the background of 81000 people.

In the words of AWOP, they were just counter rucking
Hmmm, outside the field of play?

Play to the whistle Biltong

In days gone by they wouldve been called "peacekeepers"

by **Biltong** Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:21 am

Sounds about fair Peter, we'll send our one peace keeper, you send your four peace keepers and we'll have a fair duel. Laugh

by **Rugby Fan** Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:52 am

That's not fair on Gregor Paul, PSW, since he went on to write:

It didn't really look clumsy or accidental. Only Hore will know what he was really up to but multiple replays only confirm the impression there was intent and purpose.

3 News even has a piece with the title "All Blacks filthy European Tour"

http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-timeline-All-Blacks-filthy-European-Tour/tabid/415/articleID/278001/Default.aspx

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:04 am

I think Hore will get 18 months

1 month for the swinging arm.
1 month for being so utterly dumb.
& 16 months which the IRB will have to impose to appease the stupid British rugby press.

by **Rugby Fan** Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:14 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:...the stupid British rugby press...

Since you saw a swinging arm, and think Hore was dumb, why do you think those who agree with you are stupid?

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:25 am

Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

by R!skysports Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:40 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was a swinging arm from behind to the neck and head off the ball. Is a lot more than a reactionary swinging arm. People defending this should really have a look at themselves and really ask will i defend my team just because they are my team

by maestegmafia Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:41 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was dumb and swinging enough to knock out, and hospitalise the biggest guy on the pitch.

You can't add the word "Just" into that sentence...!

by doctornickolas Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:56 am

It was a pretty cowardly cheap shot, lets be fair. It should be a lengthy ban but it won't.

I reckon he will get a few weeks but effectively it is just sitting out next weeks game as its the season end.

If it was a SA player I expect he would currently be walking to the gallows for a dawn hanging.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:59 am

doctornickolas wrote:It was a pretty cowardly cheap shot, lets be fair. It should be a lengthy ban but it won't.

I reckon he will get a few weeks but effectively it is just sitting out next weeks game as its the season end.

If it was a SA player I expect he would currently be walking to the gallows for a dawn hanging.

Well lets see how much of a ban Louw gets

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:14 am

maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was dumb and swinging enough to knock out, and hospitalise the biggest guy on the pitch.

You can't add the word "Just" into that sentence...!

Of course you can prefix it with the word "just", if the Welshman hadnt been trying to enter the New Zealand ruck from such an off side position that he was obstructing Hore from entering the ruck then I can understand why Hore gave him a bit of clip, the point is that it was dumb to do so. the thing is that if Andrew Hore hits you, then you stay hit. I guess Davies knows that now.

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:18 am

doctornickolas wrote:It was a pretty cowardly cheap shot, lets be fair. It should be a lengthy ban but it won't.

I reckon he will get a few weeks but effectively it is just sitting out next weeks game as its the season end.

If it was a SA player I expect he would currently be walking to the gallows for a dawn hanging

Why is it a cheap shot? surely he shouldnt have had his back to Hore?

by maestegmafia Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:24 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was dumb and swinging enough to knock out, and hospitalise the biggest guy on the pitch.

You can't add the word "Just" into that sentence...!

Of course you can prefix it with the word "just", if the Welshman hadnt been trying to enter the New Zealand ruck from such an off side position that he was obstructing Hore from entering the ruck then I can understand why Hore gave him a bit of clip, the point is that it was dumb to do so. the thing is that if Andrew Hore hits you, then you stay hit. I guess Davies knows that now.

Laurie Mate, Hore knocked out the biggest bloke on the field.

Don't make lite of it. There is little amusing or excusable. Hores actions bring down the credibility of the all blacks.

by doctornickolas Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:24 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was dumb and swinging enough to knock out, and hospitalise the biggest guy on the pitch.

You can't add the word "Just" into that sentence...!

Of course you can prefix it with the word "just", if the Welshman hadnt been trying to enter the New Zealand ruck from such an off side position that he was obstructing Hore from entering the ruck then I can understand why Hore gave him a bit of clip, the point is that it was dumb to do so. the thing is that if Andrew Hore hits you, then you stay hit. I guess Davies knows that now.

What a stupid comment. Just re write history. At no point was he trying to enter the ruck on the wrong side. At that moment no ruck had been formed, a tackle was taking place and Brad was just running back. Hore carried out his cowardly cheap shot and then dived into the just forming ruck.

by doctornickolas Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:27 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
doctornickolas wrote:It was a pretty cowardly cheap shot, lets be fair. It should be a lengthy ban but it won't.

I reckon he will get a few weeks but effectively it is just sitting out next weeks game as its the season end.

If it was a SA player I expect he would currently be walking to the gallows for a dawn hanging

Why is it a cheap shot? surely he shouldnt have had his back to Hore?

I am struggling to even think of an answer to that. Is he supposed to run backwards? Or is Hore some sort of Maori king who you can never turn your back on? Or maybe if you do turn your back on him he will hot you from behind like all brave players do. Another stupid comment.

by **Biltong** Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:28 am

That wasn't a ruck when the Welsh player approached it, it was a kick taken fron an up and under kicked by NZ, the welsh players was back tracking to join the maul (which incidently was taken down as the Welsh player got near it, only to be taken out by a swining arm.

by R!skysports Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:30 am

As Zinzan Brooke's said at half time. It was a cheap and disgusting shot. I respect him more than people on here. In fact some of the nz fans on here are making me sick justifying violence

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:34 am

maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was dumb and swinging enough to knock out, and hospitalise the biggest guy on the pitch.

You can't add the word "Just" into that sentence...!

Of course you can prefix it with the word "just", if the Welshman hadnt been trying to enter the New Zealand ruck from such an off side position that he was obstructing Hore from entering the ruck then I can understand why Hore gave him a bit of clip, the point is that it was dumb to do so. the thing is that if Andrew Hore hits you, then you stay hit. I guess Davies knows that now.

Laurie Mate, Hore knocked out the biggest bloke on the field.

Don't make lite of it. There is little amusing or excusable. Hores actions bring down the credibility of the all blacks.

Please Maesteg, dont try and preach the pure as driven snow line, then try to judge all the All Blacks in a pretty good 80 minute display, and dismiss it all on the grounds of one player for one second. Did you not see any high skilled examples of accurate teamwork played at pace or were you just watching the Hore Davies moment?

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:36 am

Riskysports wrote:As Zinzan Brooke's said at half time. It was a cheap and disgusting shot. I respect him more than people on here. In fact some of the nz fans on here are making me sick justifying violence

Zinny trying to give them what they want, and just hoping they might want to discuss the rugby at some stage.

by eirebilly Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:40 am

I am really suprised at people trying to defend Hore's actions yesterday. Even if Davies was in the wrong place, he did not deserve such a hit from behind.

Those sort of things do not belong in rugby.

I remember Jerry Flannery's massive trip against the French player a few years back but cant remember what ban he recieved. That sort of thing is another pet hate of mine and i would have thrown the book at him.

by maestegmafia Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:43 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was dumb and swinging enough to knock out, and hospitalise the biggest guy on the pitch.

You can't add the word "Just" into that sentence...!

Of course you can prefix it with the word "just", if the Welshman hadnt been trying to enter the New Zealand ruck from such an off side position that he was obstructing Hore from entering the ruck then I can understand why Hore gave him a bit of clip, the point is that it was dumb to do so. the thing is that if Andrew Hore hits you, then you stay hit. I guess Davies knows that now.

Laurie Mate, Hore knocked out the biggest bloke on the field.

Don't make lite of it. There is little amusing or excusable. Hores actions bring down the credibility of the all blacks.

Please Maesteg, dont try and preach the pure as driven snow line, then try to judge all the All Blacks in a pretty good 80 minute display, and dismiss it all on the grounds of one player for one second. Did you not see any high skilled examples of accurate teamwork played at pace or were you just watching the Hore Davies moment?

I didn't dismiss a good performance by the ABs at all...!!!

This thread is on Andrew Hores actions yesterday and that is what I was referencing. He broke the rules of the game, he should have been sent off, he will hopefully serve a ban for his actions.

What I don't understand is why you defending him?

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:43 am

Billy
I am really surprised how perfect everyone else is, and missed a good display of rugby, by both teams in parts.

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:47 am

maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Because thats all it was, Just a swinging arm and just dumb, nothing more.

It was dumb and swinging enough to knock out, and hospitalise the biggest guy on the pitch.

You can't add the word "Just" into that sentence...!

Of course you can prefix it with the word "just", if the Welshman hadnt been trying to enter the New Zealand ruck from such an off side position that he was obstructing Hore from entering the ruck then I can understand why Hore gave him a bit of clip, the point is that it was dumb to do so. the thing is that if Andrew Hore hits you, then you stay hit. I guess Davies knows that now.

Laurie Mate, Hore knocked out the biggest bloke on the field.

Don't make lite of it. There is little amusing or excusable. Hores actions bring down the credibility of the all blacks.

Please Maesteg, dont try and preach the pure as driven snow line, then try to judge all the All Blacks in a pretty good 80 minute display, and dismiss it all on the grounds of one player for one second. Did you not see any high skilled examples of accurate teamwork played at pace or were you just watching the Hore Davies moment?

I didn't dismiss a good performance by the ABs at all...!!!

This thread is on Andrew Hores actions yesterday and that is what I was referencing. He broke the rules of the game, he should have been sent off, he will hopefully serve a ban for his actions.

What I don't understand is why you defending him?

Simple, I dont think it was any where near as bad as you do, No he shouldnt have hit him that hard and run the risk of being sent off, and compromising the position of his team, But you really cant look me straight in the keyboard and tell me that he hit him "that" hard surely.

by eirebilly Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:47 am

aucklandlaurie wrote: Billy
I am really surprised how perfect everyone else is, and missed a good display of rugby, by both teams in parts.

Laurie mate, i loved watching the AB's yesterday. They did the simple things perfectly although i was suprised that they appeared to take their foot off the gas for the last 15mins, very unlike the AB's.

Its not suprising that people are focussing on the Hore incident here since thats the topic of discussion Wink

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