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Top Ten Uncrowned Champions - 4 - Jimmy Bivins
The nature of undertaking a list like this is that you will spend an obscene amount of time deciding who deserves to make the cut and then as much if not more time on wrestling with whether you have put people in the right position, even having only done six of the ten thus far there are at least three people I have done biographies for I am pretty sure I would have somewhere different was I to start afresh. However nobody on the list has caused me quite the headaches the number four ranked fighter has. In the space the same day he can move anywhere from 10th on the rankings to second and I suspect now making him fourth is me reaching an on the fence compromise with myself. At number four on the list is Jimmy Bivins.
As anyone who has stumbled into a debate about Mike Tyson will know there is always a risk to ranking a fighter on a short but impressive peak but in the case of Bivins his peak was so impressive and the reasons for it ending so beyond his control that I am hoping folk can be convinced by the case to put Jimmy in the top five. Born in 1919 in Georgia Jimmy was introduced to boxing when he started hanging around the gyms in Cleveland and sparring when the opportunity arose. Jimmy had a decent amateur career where he picked up regional golden gloves titles.
However after only 39 amateur fights Jimmy turned pro and quickly began to rack up wins, his break through win during this period came when he beat the far more experienced and well ranked Charley Burley in an upset win that gained him national exposure and a ranking with the Ring Magazine. A decent indication of Jimmy’s potential at this time was when he split a pair of fights with the second ranked light heavyweight in the world Anton Christoridis before going on to whip former middleweight champion Teddy Yarosz with something to spare. However Jimmy’s form was not to continue throughout 1941 as he finished the year by dropping decisions to both Tony Musto and Melio Bettina.
If 1941 had finished somewhat ignominiously 1942 was to see Bivins embark on the kind of run of form that few throughout the history of the sport can match and which in my humble opinion warrants his high place in this list. He started the year by defeating former middleweight king Billy Soose in a totally one sided bout. He was then matched against light heavyweight champion Gus Lesnevich. So spooked was Lesnevich by Jimmy that he refused to go ahead with the fight until Jimmy weighed in above 175 to avoid him making any claims on the title. This proved to be a prudent decision by Gus as Bivins’ beat him at a canter. According to reports the pre-fight agreement was if Bivins was to win he would be given a title shot proper, however after the fight Gus’ manager, the brilliantly named Lou Diamond was heard to say “Mr Bivins’ name is crossed clean out of our book”
Jimmy’s only loss for the next four years and 27 fights came next against the excellent Bob Pastor in a close fight Jimmy was to avenge further down the line. The list of fighters vanquished during this period is almost beyond belief, as well as his revenge win over Pastor Jimmy fought and beat Bettina, Curtis Sheppard, Christoforidis, Savold, Lloyd Marshall and Joey Maxim. If this wasn’t enough he also added Ezzard Charles to that list knocking Ezzard down seven times in the process!
It was during this period though that an event took place that was to have a huge effect on Jimmy’s career and subsequent form, like many a fighter Jimmy was called up to service by the US army and whilst Jimmy was always loath to discuss this incident but according to his family members whilst in the service Jimmy took a frightful beating at the hands of some MP’s which left him unconscious for two days. Credence is given to this story by the fact Jimmy received an honourable discharge from the army which was more than unusual in the middle of a world war.
On his discharge from the war Jimmy carried on where he left off on his 27 fight unbeaten streak but around the middle of 1946 his form took a dramatic downturn and after dropping an undeserved decision to Jersey Joe Walcott Jimmy began to lose with alarming regularity, frequently to guys he had previously beaten with ease. The reasons for this strange turn in his fortunes are difficult to pinpoint however the two most likely explanations would seem to be that Jimmy was frequently forced to operate at heavyweight simply to get opportunities which could not be easy for a fighter who could still make light heavy with ease and it is that the beating he endured in the army was finally taking an effect. As tends to be the case the truth lies perhaps somewhere in the middle.
Throughout his career Jimmy beat a total of eight world champions including true greats in Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles, when one adds into that mix the likes of Marshall and Burley and it is clear that Jimmy was a truly special fighter and whilst his form may have tailed off alarmingly towards the end of his career at his imperious best it would not be too tough an argument to make that Jimmy was amongst the very best of his era.
10 Jim Driscoll
9 Kid Norfolk
8 Peter Jackson
7 Lew Tendler
6 Harry Wills
5 Mike Gibbons
4 Jimmy Bivins
As anyone who has stumbled into a debate about Mike Tyson will know there is always a risk to ranking a fighter on a short but impressive peak but in the case of Bivins his peak was so impressive and the reasons for it ending so beyond his control that I am hoping folk can be convinced by the case to put Jimmy in the top five. Born in 1919 in Georgia Jimmy was introduced to boxing when he started hanging around the gyms in Cleveland and sparring when the opportunity arose. Jimmy had a decent amateur career where he picked up regional golden gloves titles.
However after only 39 amateur fights Jimmy turned pro and quickly began to rack up wins, his break through win during this period came when he beat the far more experienced and well ranked Charley Burley in an upset win that gained him national exposure and a ranking with the Ring Magazine. A decent indication of Jimmy’s potential at this time was when he split a pair of fights with the second ranked light heavyweight in the world Anton Christoridis before going on to whip former middleweight champion Teddy Yarosz with something to spare. However Jimmy’s form was not to continue throughout 1941 as he finished the year by dropping decisions to both Tony Musto and Melio Bettina.
If 1941 had finished somewhat ignominiously 1942 was to see Bivins embark on the kind of run of form that few throughout the history of the sport can match and which in my humble opinion warrants his high place in this list. He started the year by defeating former middleweight king Billy Soose in a totally one sided bout. He was then matched against light heavyweight champion Gus Lesnevich. So spooked was Lesnevich by Jimmy that he refused to go ahead with the fight until Jimmy weighed in above 175 to avoid him making any claims on the title. This proved to be a prudent decision by Gus as Bivins’ beat him at a canter. According to reports the pre-fight agreement was if Bivins was to win he would be given a title shot proper, however after the fight Gus’ manager, the brilliantly named Lou Diamond was heard to say “Mr Bivins’ name is crossed clean out of our book”
Jimmy’s only loss for the next four years and 27 fights came next against the excellent Bob Pastor in a close fight Jimmy was to avenge further down the line. The list of fighters vanquished during this period is almost beyond belief, as well as his revenge win over Pastor Jimmy fought and beat Bettina, Curtis Sheppard, Christoforidis, Savold, Lloyd Marshall and Joey Maxim. If this wasn’t enough he also added Ezzard Charles to that list knocking Ezzard down seven times in the process!
It was during this period though that an event took place that was to have a huge effect on Jimmy’s career and subsequent form, like many a fighter Jimmy was called up to service by the US army and whilst Jimmy was always loath to discuss this incident but according to his family members whilst in the service Jimmy took a frightful beating at the hands of some MP’s which left him unconscious for two days. Credence is given to this story by the fact Jimmy received an honourable discharge from the army which was more than unusual in the middle of a world war.
On his discharge from the war Jimmy carried on where he left off on his 27 fight unbeaten streak but around the middle of 1946 his form took a dramatic downturn and after dropping an undeserved decision to Jersey Joe Walcott Jimmy began to lose with alarming regularity, frequently to guys he had previously beaten with ease. The reasons for this strange turn in his fortunes are difficult to pinpoint however the two most likely explanations would seem to be that Jimmy was frequently forced to operate at heavyweight simply to get opportunities which could not be easy for a fighter who could still make light heavy with ease and it is that the beating he endured in the army was finally taking an effect. As tends to be the case the truth lies perhaps somewhere in the middle.
Throughout his career Jimmy beat a total of eight world champions including true greats in Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles, when one adds into that mix the likes of Marshall and Burley and it is clear that Jimmy was a truly special fighter and whilst his form may have tailed off alarmingly towards the end of his career at his imperious best it would not be too tough an argument to make that Jimmy was amongst the very best of his era.
10 Jim Driscoll
9 Kid Norfolk
8 Peter Jackson
7 Lew Tendler
6 Harry Wills
5 Mike Gibbons
4 Jimmy Bivins
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This is a really good series, mate. Keep it up!
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Thats what his misses always says on a Saturday nightSeanusarrilius wrote:Keep it up!
Only kidding Jeff good stuff
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Bloody 'ell Jeff, you're getting through these like underwear!
Anyway, Bivins is an absolute must for this list, I think. He was competing in probably the greatest ever era for the Light-Heavyweights and still managed to compile a win-loss record against the cream of his era good enough to make him, quite possibly, one of the top dozen 175 lb fighters of all time, or something very close to it.
Can't really add too much else, as it's another bang up job you've done, fella.
Anyway, Bivins is an absolute must for this list, I think. He was competing in probably the greatest ever era for the Light-Heavyweights and still managed to compile a win-loss record against the cream of his era good enough to make him, quite possibly, one of the top dozen 175 lb fighters of all time, or something very close to it.
Can't really add too much else, as it's another bang up job you've done, fella.
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Steffan wrote:Thats what his misses always says on a Saturday nightSeanusarrilius wrote:Keep it up!
Only kidding Jeff good stuff
Steffan, please. This is a family channel
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I think I know your top 3 now, Jeff, and while I might have put Moran in at the expense of someone like Norfolk, I can't really argue. Another fine piece about a man whom I underrated for far too long.
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Re: Top Ten Uncrowned Champions - 4 - Jimmy Bivins
Norfolk was, alongside Bivins, probably the guy I pondered more than anyone else Captain, was difficult because if you’re doing something like this it should be on merit and nothing else, but be it consciously or unconsciously I was keen to avoid being too jingoistic or this turning into yet another black murderers row tribute. Perhaps unfair on Moran and the likes of Marshall and Williams but do think Norfolk gets a little overlooked, as D rightly pointed out he could drop some howlers but if you’re beating the likes of Miske and Greb your inclusion is so far out of leftfield to make a nonsense of the list hopefully.
With regard to the top three would love to say there was the odd shock in there but I fear your guess would be spot on.
With regard to the top three would love to say there was the odd shock in there but I fear your guess would be spot on.
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A man around in the time of my dad's favourite boxer, Archie Moore and who fought him on 4 separate occasions. Excellent stuff
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Great series is this one, and Bivins is another part of what made that era so talent heavy. Also another one who was forced to go above his natural weight class thanks to being "too good for his own good."
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