Price vs Fury

by **ShahenshahG** Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:19 pm

First topic message reminder :

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/181499.html

Possible fight next summer. However

Tysons got his eyes set elsewhere

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/181154.html

Also Brook looks lin line for Vegas

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/181381.html

Slowly but surely.

by **88Chris05** Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:48 pm

Likewise, Alex. Always a pleasure debating with you whatever the weather, mate.

SoF, I agree that Price is the better fighter and I'd back him to beat Fury (though not as easily as some others think so, but that's besides the point). But my general gripe and bone of contention is that people are talking as if Price has already left Fury eating his dust, or as if he has some God-given right to leapfrog the more deserving Fury to a shot at a world title. I guess it just riles me up that Fury is a good honest pro who has probably already confounded a few early critics with his career so far, but yet is treated as a joke figure by many.

I'm not for a single second suggesting that Price isn't a prospect to be excited about, I just think that Fury is a better fighter than many on here would have us believe, too.

by hogey Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:57 pm

No doubt in my mind Price is a few levels above Fury and when and if Fury ever gets brave enough to fight him i think he will be massively exposed and Price will destroy him inside of 2 rounds.

by Steffan Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:26 pm

hogey wrote:If Fury ever gets brave enough to fight him i think he will be massively exposed and Price will destroy him inside of 2 rounds.

Spoiler:

by Gordy Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:34 pm

If Price is so good why doesnt he fight anyone good? Think about it. He fights terrible heavyweights. Maybe its because his manager knows he is not that good and he can get away with fooling people into thinking he is a great boxer. The heavyweight division is so bad now that if Price was anywhere near as good as Lennox Lewis he would easily be champion now but instead he is fighting guys like Audley Harrison.

by Nico the gman Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:41 pm

Gordy wrote:If Price is so good why doesnt he fight anyone good? Think about it. He fights terrible heavyweights. Maybe its because his manager knows he is not that good and he can get away with fooling people into thinking he is a great boxer. The heavyweight division is so bad now that if Price was anywhere near as good as Lennox Lewis he would easily be champion now but instead he is fighting guys like Audley Harrison.

Or perhaps his managemant team realise Price has only had 15 fights and still has a bit to learn and in terms of experience is still a novice?

by Gordy Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:43 pm

If that was the case then why are people overrating him so much? His manaement might have fooled some people who dont understand their boxing but they dont fool me. Price is very overrated.

by Champagne_Socialist Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:43 pm

Lets not forget fury and price met as amatuers a few years ago. Price won that fight but Fury knocked price down in that fight. Also it's important to highlight Price was about 23 whilst Fury was 16 at the time of the fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeLG7e9nT4

by Nico the gman Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:47 pm

Gordy wrote:If that was the case then why are people overrating him so much? His manaement might have fooled some people who dont understand their boxing but they dont fool me. Price is very overrated.

Overrated, have a word with yourself his won his fights comfortably with a lot in hand get back on planet earth,you were calling Mayweather overrated the other week, must be your favourite word is it.

by Gordy Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:51 pm

Haha he is so overrated it is beyond ridiculos. Better than Lennox Lewis! Some people on here really dont know their boxing. If he was so good maybe he should fight someone good. Klitschko is an easy champion to beat but Price hasnt fought him, he fought Audley Harrison!

by **ShahenshahG** Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:53 pm

Gordy probably fought Rocky Marciano in his first fight as a flyweight. I think we should give him more leeway as a headcase.

by Nico the gman Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:55 pm

Gordy wrote:Haha he is so overrated it is beyond ridiculos. Better than Lennox Lewis! Some people on here really dont know their boxing. If he was so good maybe he should fight someone good. Klitschko is an easy champion to beat but Price hasnt fought him, he fought Audley Harrison!

People who dont know their boxing, put yourself top of the pile on that one sunshine.

by Gordy Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:58 pm

Nico the gman wrote:
Gordy wrote:Haha he is so overrated it is beyond ridiculos. Better than Lennox Lewis! Some people on here really dont know their boxing. If he was so good maybe he should fight someone good. Klitschko is an easy champion to beat but Price hasnt fought him, he fought Audley Harrison!
People who dont know their boxing, put yourself top of the pile on that one sunshine.

I try to explain to you why Price is overrated and that is what I get in return!

by **Union Cane** Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:05 pm

Gordy wrote:If Price is so good why doesnt he fight anyone good?

Such as? You keep telling us that nobody is any good. Who is this anyone good that Price should fight?

by Champagne_Socialist Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:09 pm

Union Cane wrote:
Gordy wrote:If Price is so good why doesnt he fight anyone good?

Such as? You keep telling us that nobody is any good. Who is this anyone good that Price should fight?

Tony Thompson seems to be next. A 41 year old past it fighter.

by Imperial Ghosty Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:23 pm

I think much of the difference in the way that Price and Fury are rated is the style and ease with which Price has won compared to the sometime gruelling manner Fury has won. There isn't much difference in their level of opposition but Price has dismantled them with ease while Fury has struggled and not looked at all impressive.

by Champagne_Socialist Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:21 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I think much of the difference in the way that Price and Fury are rated is the style and ease with which Price has won compared to the sometime gruelling manner Fury has won. There isn't much difference in their level of opposition but Price has dismantled them with ease while Fury has struggled and not looked at all impressive.

Chisora, Rogan and Johnson are miles ahead of anything Price has faced.

by djlovesyou Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:24 pm

Haha, you said Rogan.

by Champagne_Socialist Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:26 pm

djlovesyou wrote:Haha, you said Rogan.

Yes even Rogan because Rogan beat both Harrisson and Skelton who are Price's best two opponents.

by Champagne_Socialist Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:30 pm

Even Maddelone is better than anything price has faced. Maddelone is nothing special and a C level fighter but he has a lot of experience fighting against Boystov, Evander Holyfield, Mormeck and Adamek. None of Price's opponents have had any kind of experience that Maddelone has had.

by djlovesyou Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:33 pm

Nobody is suggesting that Fury hasn't had the tougher run of fights.

Doesn't mean he wouldn't get blown away in a couple by Price though.

You have Az like obsession though, I'm amused by that.

by Steffan Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:36 pm

Fury will beat Price on points

by Champagne_Socialist Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:41 pm

djlovesyou wrote:Nobody is suggesting that Fury hasn't had the tougher run of fights.

Doesn't mean he wouldn't get blown away in a couple by Price though.

You have Az like obsession though, I'm amused by that.

Someone did just suggest that there opponents were on the same level.

If Fury is facing the tougher opponents (and is higher ranked by the WBC and is one victory away from being the mandatory to face Vitali, not that that means who is better but just saying he is higher ranked) and Fury is beating the tougher opponents then why do you think Price would win? Price has faced complete tomato cans so of course he would look good.

I think it boils down to whose personality people prefer and as they perfer Price's they then support him and say he will win.

I'm not a fan of Fury but based on the level of fighters both men have faced, their age and the number of fights they have both already had I believe Fury will have the better career.

by bhb001 Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Rowley wrote:Can I just point out at this juncture not everything written on here has to be taken literally, frequently people will use devices such as metaphors or similes. Similarly sometimes things will be said solely to mock or get a rise out of other users or to mock how fiercely the defend or praise a given fighter. Think if we can all bear this in mind before we post we may find this thread a little easier to navigate.

But this means that you have to be able to read subtext and infer meanings that are not explicitly stated! It's much easier to have the tact of a bull dozer and call that spade a shovel

by bhb001 Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:14 pm

Union Cane wrote:
Gordy wrote:If Price is so good why doesnt he fight anyone good?

Such as? You keep telling us that nobody is any good. Who is this anyone good that Price should fight?

Superb catch 22 situation this. When, if Gordy contests, we are in the worse era of heavyweight boxing,how can Price prove himself when, by definition, everyone is terrible. Him and Fury have got no chance of proving themselves!! By the by, "Gordy" is a spanish nickname for fatty. Probably another reason I have trouble taking anything he says seriously.

by TheMackemMawler Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:34 pm

bhb001 wrote:
Union Cane wrote:
Gordy wrote:If Price is so good why doesnt he fight anyone good?

Such as? You keep telling us that nobody is any good. Who is this anyone good that Price should fight?

Superb catch 22 situation this. When, if Gordy contests, we are in the worse era of heavyweight boxing,how can Price prove himself when, by definition, everyone is terrible. Him and Fury have got no chance of proving themselves!! By the by, "Gordy" is a spanish nickname for fatty. Probably another reason I have trouble taking anything he says seriously.

Ok stop being obstinate, its obvious Gordy means someone "good" with respect to his contemporaries rather than the ATG's.

Fair point.

by Gordy Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:43 pm

TheMackemMawler wrote:
bhb001 wrote:
Union Cane wrote:
Gordy wrote:If Price is so good why doesnt he fight anyone good?

Such as? You keep telling us that nobody is any good. Who is this anyone good that Price should fight?

Superb catch 22 situation this. When, if Gordy contests, we are in the worse era of heavyweight boxing,how can Price prove himself when, by definition, everyone is terrible. Him and Fury have got no chance of proving themselves!! By the by, "Gordy" is a spanish nickname for fatty. Probably another reason I have trouble taking anything he says seriously.

Ok stop being obstinate, its obvious Gordy means someone "good" with respect to his contemporaries rather than the ATG's.

Fair point.

Spot on! Of course I dont expect him to fight boxers like Ali or Lewis who arent around anymore but why is he fighting guys like Audley Harrison if he is supposed to be so good? Why doesnt he fight Klitschko? If he was half as good as people or saying or anything like as good as Lewis then he should beat Klitschko easily. People ae being fooled because Price is fighting very poor heavyweights even in an era of poor heavyweights. Look at how old they are. All in their 40s. Price needs earn comparisons to Lewis by beating good fighters like Lewis did.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:54 pm

"I don't expect him to fight Ali or Lewis"

You're full of surprises aren't you Mate!!

by **Union Cane** Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:58 pm

Can't believe I'm getting drawn into this again but here we go...

Gordy, I asked you who the "someone good" is that you want Price to fight. You haven't answered that question. You ask why doesn't he fight Klitschko, but you've spent the last however many months it is telling us how bad Klitschko is, so it can't be him.

You say Price should fight someone good to prove himself, so who should he fight?

by Gordy Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:31 pm

Union Cane wrote:Can't believe I'm getting drawn into this again but here we go...

Gordy, I asked you who the "someone good" is that you want Price to fight. You haven't answered that question. You ask why doesn't he fight Klitschko, but you've spent the last however many months it is telling us how bad Klitschko is, so it can't be him.

You say Price should fight someone good to prove himself, so who should he fight?

Ok I see your point and maybe I havent been clear. Klitschko is a poor heavyweight yes. But he is probably the best around now, or one of the best. But this is the worst ever era of heavyweights so if you were comparing Klitschko to other eras then he would be a bad heavyweight. In any other era he would not be champion. However as things stand now he is probably the best of a terrible bunch so why doesnt Price beat him if he is supposedly as good as people think or meant to be the next Lennox Lewis? If Ali or Lewis were champion now then maybe I could understand Price not wanting to face them yet but every day I read this hype about Price when he is fighting absolute rubbish. Do you understand now?

by djlovesyou Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:43 pm

Are you suggesting that if he'd have asked nicely, he could have fought a Klitschko by now?

by **hampo17** Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:51 pm

Compare the records like for like at 15 fights. Fury had fought 7 guys with positive records, two of which where unbeaten. He fought Chisora in fight number 15, but just two fights before that he fought Zack Page whose record is 21-32 with just 2 knock outs. Hardly a world beater.

Price has just had his 15 fight, and has 10 guys with a positive record, although two of those were 3-2. He has fought McDermott and Sexton, who although not great are considered decent operators on the domestic scene whether you want to accept it or not. He then fought Harrison, who just one fight earlier had been a world title challenger (yes I know it was awful) and then Skelton who wasn't a great opponent but was certainly no worse than Zack Page.

by manos de piedra Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:19 pm

At the moment Fury and Price are rivals though and seen as pretty much in the same bracket so I wouldnt really compare records at comparitive terms in number of fights unless the assumption was Fury was at a more advanced level.

Fury has the better record now for me, but for what its worth I cant really see anyone on his record that troubles Price so I dont really place a great deal of emphasis on it in terms of who is the better fighter of the two.

by AlexHuckerby Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:38 pm

manos de piedra wrote:At the moment Fury and Price are rivals though and seen as pretty much in the same bracket so I wouldnt really compare records at comparitive terms in number of fights unless the assumption was Fury was at a more advanced level.

Fury has the better record now for me, but for what its worth I cant really see anyone on his record that troubles Price so I dont really place a great deal of emphasis on it in terms of who is the better fighter of the two.

Perfectly put as usual Manos.

by djlovesyou Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:35 pm

Yep, good post Manos.

They really need to fight each other soon.

It would be exciting for the online communities, we could call it the WUMble in the Jungle.

The 'chinny guy who's never fought anyone good' against 'the useless gypo who punches himself in the face'.

by Volcanicash Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:17 pm

I think there are more questions for Price than Fury at this point in time.

Yes Price has decent/good power, but he's yet to face a gut check yet, can he fight hard for 12 rounds? He always looks in great shape, but until he goes through these the questions will remain.

Fury on the other hand doesn't look as explosive in terms of power, but we know he can go 12 hard rounds, his conditioning looks better and better from each fight and technica ability, we know he can be hurt and can come back, and has arguably fought better opposition, specifically Johnson and Chisora.

For me Fury would be slight Favourite, but only just.

by djlovesyou Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:13 pm

Fury vs Price wouldn't go 12 hard rounds though would it?

Fury is clearly vulnerable to anyone that can punch (or decides to throw one - yep, you Johnson).

Maybe Price is chinny and Fury knocks him out, but the smart money would be it going the other way. Big right hand - back to drive paving.

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