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Post by TJ1 Sat 01 Dec 2012, 2:30 pm

God save the queen being the UK anthem - why not use "Jerusalem"?

God save the queen is a worse dirge than "flower of Scotland" - Jerusalem is stirring and has resonance


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Post by Duty281 Sat 01 Dec 2012, 4:43 pm

Would love Jerusalem to be our national anthem. Must admit though, GSTQ was sang wonderfully today by the players and the crowd.

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Post by hawalsh Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:22 pm

Personally I prefer I Vow To Thee, plus Jerusalem has too many religous references foe me.

I like Flower of Scotland.

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Post by TJ1 Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:23 pm

Jerusalem is stirring tho as it can be cut / edited to build to a crescendo- vow to thee is not.

You do know Flower of Scotland was written in the 60s / 70s?

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Post by Shifty Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:25 pm

Kylie Minogue - I Should Be So Lucky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a7E6yyUNVo
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Post by BristolDave Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:38 pm

What's with the anthems being sung by opera singers?? The glass in my hand almost shattered

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Post by Duty281 Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:40 pm

BristolDave wrote:What's with the anthems being sung by opera singers?? The glass in my hand almost shattered

And what's up with Robshaw's partner singing the NZ anthem?!!

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:42 pm

Her father is a Kiwi. England had the edge in singing today and on the field. Those microphones near the players when they are singing should be ripped from the ground. That hurt my ears!

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Post by hawalsh Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:57 pm

TJ wrote:Jerusalem is stirring tho as it can be cut / edited to build to a crescendo- vow to thee is not.

You do know Flower of Scotland was written in the 60s / 70s?


It depends on the crescendo, I love the crescendo in the Italian anthem (probably my favourite), but others that have them aren't that great. For me it's more about the emotion an anthem derives, and the First World War themes in I Vow combined with Holst's music defintely trump the Jesus visiting Glastonbury themes and more turgid music by Parry. When it comes down to it, I Vow To Thee can bring a tear to my eye, Jerusalem can't.

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Post by sausage1966 Sat 01 Dec 2012, 7:19 pm

hawalsh wrote:Personally I prefer I Vow To Thee, plus Jerusalem has too many religous references foe me.

Do you prefer a song commencing "God Save?"

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Post by Armchairexpert Sat 01 Dec 2012, 11:31 pm

I thought God Save the Queen even if not English was at least British but did you know that aside from their own National Anthem the Norwegians also sing God Save the Queen when their Queen is present.

It's about as uniquely English as Happy Birthday.

Why not sing the Archer's theme tune, now that is really English through and through

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 01 Dec 2012, 11:58 pm

I don't really care for anthems. Ifind them annoying, especially the long ones. I'd prefer a few seconds silence for contemplation. I can't stand God Save The Queen but at least we do one verse and it's quick.

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Post by NeilyBroon Sun 02 Dec 2012, 12:06 am

the anthems are when I usually pop the kettle on, especially if Ireland are playing at home, they have to get through about 100 formalities before they actually start the game!

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 02 Dec 2012, 12:15 am

I like God Save The Queen.
Don't like Jerusalem.
I do like Land of Hope and Glory.

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Post by NeilyBroon Sun 02 Dec 2012, 12:37 am

doctor_grey wrote:I like God Save The Queen.
Don't like Jerusalem.
I do like Land of Hope and Glory.

Land of hope and Glory would be great!

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Post by splenetic Sun 02 Dec 2012, 2:18 am

Armchairexpert wrote:I thought God Save the Queen even if not English was at least British but did you know that aside from their own National Anthem the Norwegians also sing God Save the Queen when their Queen is present.

It's about as uniquely English as Happy Birthday.

Why not sing the Archer's theme tune, now that is really English through and through


It was a victim of its 'originality'. As the first anthem anywhere in the world loads of countries and institutions copied the Brits, using the same tune with different words. Musical taste and invention was clearly a bit lacking back in the day.

Definitely time to move on now, we can do better and more inspiring.

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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 02 Dec 2012, 8:09 am

Jerusalem would be a confusing anthem to play if England ever had to play Israel...

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Post by TJ1 Sun 02 Dec 2012, 4:01 pm

So - the archers theme tune is the one then

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