Angel Garcia - Danny vs Zab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnAa8zeZ8dg

Check out this press conference for his sons fight with Zab

He used to annoy me but now I find him entertaining. Imagine if Danny keeps winning and faces Floyd one day, the trash talk between him and Angel could make that the best 24/7 ever!

cant stand him
cant STAND him
Obnoxious fame chasing imbecille...don't care much for danny either, think he's been pretty fortunate in his career so far. Zab'll be another decent name on his CV.

BUT all that said, yes very entertaining press conference, with only more to come! Ticket sellings what its all about I guess

I think he's an idiot and a tool but tbh I don't really care and if you get past a lot of the noise and exaggeration he actually talks sense and makes good points

He is pretty entertaining an livens up every build up he's involved in and makes up for Danny who barely speaks

Danny will get beaten by Matthysse or Rios but I think that they may try to avoid those fights. Angel Garcia vs Brandon Rios would be guaranteed entertainment and trash talking outside the ring and you can see Rios hitting him

He's certainly a character, though these days that seems to be a euphemism for all manner of words.

I like Danny, he comes across as respectable and I think he's embarrassed by some of the stuff his dad spouts. I do get the feeling, however, that Judah will take this one. Garcia hasn't really shown much aside from his power and Judah only loses to the top guys, which I don't think Garcia is. I can't see Judah being stopped and I'm not convinced Garcia has it in him to win a points decision.

I think a few people have, very reluctantly and begrudgingly, found their 'hatred' for Garcia Snr blunted a little bit in the realisation that he does actually know a thing or two about boxing, and might be more tactically astute than most of us previously thought.

That said, he needs to remember that his son is the main attraction, not himself. He gives a good interview for sure, and can get a laugh and / or a rise out of the best of us, I reckon, but there is a hint of the 'getting famous on the back of someone else' element about him.

As for Judah's chances of scoring the upset, I don't see it. From the outset he has all the tools to give Garcia hell, but I have real misgivings about Judah's ability to hold it together mentally when he's under the cosh. I think he checked himself out of the Khan fight, to be honest, and previously to that he looked on the brink of bursting out in to tears when the (admittedly bad) knockdown was called against him in the Mabuza bout.

Judah with his head screwed on is a handful for any Light-Welter and would be good enough to beat many of them, but I can see him becoming discouraged once he learns that he can't budge Garcia and once the Philadelphian's big left starts landing regularly. Garcia by wide decision or maybe a late stoppage.

i can see judah being stopped no matter who he fights, these days as soon as it gets rough he finds a way out just like he did in the khan fight, and despite garcia not being overly skilled he will pressure zab till he cracks

got there just before me chris

Great minds and all that, C&R.

Can't see Judah taking this, even on his best night. I won't argue that Danny Garcia isn't a top guy, he's not. Light Welter while being brimming with talent doesn't I feel have that one TOP guy that looks like he'll rule the division. I feel that its a case of styles make fights at the moment here. Feel that Maidana would beat Garcia quite comfortably, think Rios would do well against Garcia but struggle with Khan (unless he hit him cleanly) Mathysse is another good boxer but I'm not sure that all of these top quality operators are you know, next level - like how good Ward is at SMW, Martinez and MW and Klitschko at HW etc.

Judah will get stopped, he doesn't have the power or speed to trouble Garcia. Khan was peppering Garcia up to the knockout and Garcia had no answer, granted but he wasn't at all phased.

Hope Broner steps up, he'd cause the whole division a lot of problems.

I do think that Angel wants to be famous but he normally succeeds in getting under fighters skin so I think there's a little more to it than just being famous. He doesn't stop and it could have gone a long way to helping Danny beat Khan as khan was visibly annoyed and started very fast almost looking for te KO and got dropped

On Judah, when he's in full flow he can be brilliant but can't keep it up for more than 4 rounds and while I don't think he's chinny, he doesn't like to rough it up and can find himself stopped or go into a shell

Danny however is massively overrated imo and whe you put someone he can't knock out like Rios or Matthysse he will find it hard as he has slow hands and isn't the hardest to find. His win over khan was impressive but before that he had struggled with Morales, Holt and Theophane and had lost every round to khan befor she landed his big left hook

It will be interesting in the championship rounds as Dany could pull close it off to win the points decision or stop him

I think he'd beat Matthysse personally, not sure about Rios. Remember Matthysse lost to Judah so he can't be that good (didn't watch the fight though)

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I think he'd beat Matthysse personally, not sure about Rios. Remember Matthysse lost to Judah so he can't be that good (didn't watch the fight though)

Wouldn't read to much in to that, one point in it, Judah was down in the 10th and it was slightly controversial.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I think he'd beat Matthysse personally, not sure about Rios. Remember Matthysse lost to Judah so he can't be that good (didn't watch the fight though)

Why mention it then if you haven't watched it, Matthysse in my opinion should still be unbeaten.

The thing I love about the light welterweights are there are a load of talented fighters in there, all capable of losing to at least a couple of the other names and they are doing a pretty good job of meeting each other rather than the usual politics that get in the way. Sometimes it gets a little boring when the Mayweathers/Wards/K Bros are almost certain of the win before it starts.

LW - WW is great at the moment when you have fighters such as:

Marquez
Pacquiao
Broner
Burns
Ortiz
Mayweather
Garcia
Khan
Brook
Bradley
Rios
Matthyse
Judah
Gamboa possibly soon.



Would love to see the following:

Rios vs Marquez
Broner vs Matthyse
Pacquiao vs Mayweather
Khan vs Brook
Bradley vs Garcia

To name just a few.........

Rios already admitted that a fight between Broner would never happen because of promo politics. Broner is a bigger draw than Garcia so the fact that Arum won't even consider that fight basically nixes any chance of a Garcia/Rios bout. But maybe a Matthysse/Garcia fight can happen.

As for Angel I actually like him as he says it how it is, he exposes all the overrated fighters and talks the agendas of commissions etc. its actually Zab who is the tool in this presser, Angel was on the mic and Zab was being an idiot. Watch the Tszyu post fight antics of Zab and ul see what a complete joke he is. On the flip side if Zab had half a braincell he could have been a top boxer, I hope just like he did to drug cheat Morales Garcia ends Zab aswell, we all know both Alexander and Zab robbed Mattyhsse.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:Rios already admitted that a fight between Broner would never happen because of promo politics. Broner is a bigger draw than Garcia so the fact that Arum won't even consider that fight basically nixes any chance of a Garcia/Rios bout. But maybe a Matthysse/Garcia fight can happen.

As for Angel I actually like him as he says it how it is, he exposes all the overrated fighters and talks the agendas of commissions etc. its actually Zab who is the tool in this presser, Angel was on the mic and Zab was being an idiot. Watch the Tszyu post fight antics of Zab and ul see what a complete joke he is. On the flip side if Zab had half a braincell he could have been a top boxer, I hope just like he did to drug cheat Morales Garcia ends Zab aswell, we all know both Alexander and Zab robbed Mattyhsse.

Why cant boxing be like football??

Man Utd do not refuse to play FC Cluj do they?

David Gill does not turn around and stop the match?

How can Arum do this crap (and any other promotor ie Mick Hennessy)

They should be MADE to fight, or take a loss/lose title. Simple.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I think he'd beat Matthysse personally, not sure about Rios. Remember Matthysse lost to Judah so he can't be that good (didn't watch the fight though)

Watch the fight then before you write off a fighter, I thought that Matthysse won that fight and I thought he beat Alexander as well. Lucas had only fought outside of Argentina once or twice and Judah was a huge step up in class and while Judah did well for the first 5 rounds but Matthysse came on late and landed the heavier shots while Judah went into a defensive shell after being hurt. Since then Matthysse has improved and that showe ld in his recent fights as he's starting faster

Don't see how we can judge Garcia's chin because khan hit him for 3 rounds as khan isn't a power puncher and accumulates damage rather than scoring knockdowns. Matthysse and Rios have great chins and work the body brilliantly so Danny wil leave to dig in as he isnt the hardest to he and doesn't throw alot of punches so could be broken down

Unfortunately TopRank and GoldenBoy will scupper alt of fights but Goldenboy seem to have the stronger stable with Mayweather, Broner, Garcia, Maidana, Matthysse, Khan, Guerrero, Ortiz and Alexander.

Broner vs Gamboa could be like Pacquiao-Mayweather as they both are similar in style althought Gamboa is orthodox

Matthysse vs Rios is the one I want as it has FOTY all over it with both having aggressive styles, granite chins and lots of power

All the above is irrelevant, lads, as Olusegun is going to come back better than ever and clear out the Light-Welters over the next couple of years anyway.....



140 lb is a hot bed of talent but politically it'll be hard to get many of the dream fights on. Matthysse-Garcia is viable and would be a very good matchup, and there's no reason why Khan can't get back in amongst the thick of it.

With regards to Judah, I'd also say that his clown of a father and former 'trainer' Yoel should shoulder a portion of the blame for his career falling short of what it promised. Zab looked a million dollars early on in his career when he was using his skills, but Yoel, for God only knows what reason, thought he'd try to convert him in to a hands-dangling, chin in the air one-punch knockout specialist, which is precisely the opposite kind of fighter to what his skills dictate he should be. By the time Zab finally woke up and got rid, the Light-Welters and Welters had moe or less passed him by.

Huge talent, but an even bigger jeb-end, unfortunately.

Digressing slightly, does anyone know how Olusegun looked against Matthysse? I know he was stopped in the 10th, but was it close? Did he find any success or was he out of his league?

I think Garcia is a very good fighter..

People say Khan was schooling him and in he first couple rounds he certainly had Garcias hands full but you could also see Garcia start to deal with him making him miss more and invited him in to make a mistake. You have to expect him to get better and dust up in a few areas but he is very good at reading fighters and has loads of power.

mattheysse is the biggest talent at the moment for me, he lost against zab, very unfairly but it was nothing on the alexander robbery. he also seems to have come on leaps and bounds since then, and his chin is absolutly solid. also think his last oponent (oluesgun) can do very well in the division.

garcia trades of his left hook, and i dont rate him very highly, he seems to be cashing in a little of the belts, morales and zab are should be very easy defenses for a champion. i dont blame him really, he needs a living but i dont think he will emerge top of the pile.

im suprised people arent falling over there feet to fight garcia, he's WBA/WBC/ring champion and very beatable

It was a highly entertaining/competitive one sided fight and without trying to generalise it too much as Matthysse did a lot right, but Olusegun couldn't hurt Matthysse but Matthysse had Olusegun hurt with almost every shot. Olusegun threw quick combo's and showed a great chin and heart but Matthysse was just to strong

Judah gets battered into oblivion, he hasn't won a fight of note for how many years? And has lost more than a step in terms of speed, Garcia will just rush him and make him quit mentally... isn't the hardest thing to do to Zab "left my warrior spirit at home again today Sir" Judah

i actually though the first 3-4 rounds were very even, but it just became apparent that lucas was the stronger tougher of the 2. olusegun showed he can hang with a huge hitter though and against the rest of the division he would be hard to beat.

coxy0001 wrote:Judah gets battered into oblivion, he hasn't won a fight of note for how many years? And has lost more than a step in terms of speed, Garcia will just rush him and make him quit mentally... isn't the hardest thing to do to Zab "left my warrior spirit at home again today Sir" Judah

he beat paris in his last fight who was undefeated. still agree with you though

eddyfightfan wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Judah gets battered into oblivion, he hasn't won a fight of note for how many years? And has lost more than a step in terms of speed, Garcia will just rush him and make him quit mentally... isn't the hardest thing to do to Zab "left my warrior spirit at home again today Sir" Judah

he beat paris in his last fight who was undefeated. still agree with you though

And Flintoff beat someone who was also undefeated... but that's maybe a 'slight' extreme on what I'm saying!

Just can't see how Judah survives, has always been lacking something between is ears and in his chest and can't see how he'll suddenly be able to handle a guy who will pressure him.

I'm certainly no fan of Judah but I just don't think Garcia is the kind of fighter - or calibre of fighter - to expose Judah's mental weaknesses. I don't like to call a punch lucky but until that left hook landed, Khan was 'schooling' (sorry Waingro) Garcia and an unfit and past his prime Morales gave him problems in their first bout.

As mentioned by others, Judah isn't particularly chinny and I can see him taking a tight decision.

you only said of note (he was 26-0-0) but as i said i completely agree anyways so it doesnt matter, judah has never had heart, now his punch resistance and speed has declined he has no edge whats so ever. i can see another tzu style ko, garcia only has a left hook- but its a heck of a good one, no way zab will take a full 12 rounds of them

Khan was 'schooling' (sorry Waingro) Garcia

6 minutes and 2 rounds doesn't count as a schooling... This wasn't in the same realms of reality as Herol Graham getting taken out, not in the slightest and lets not pretend otherwise shall we?

Despise the fella!

Just wrote about him on the trash talking thread but hate the guy.

Comes across very disrespectful especially when he's not the one taking the risks and courage stepping in the ring.

coxy0001 wrote:

Khan was 'schooling' (sorry Waingro) Garcia

6 minutes and 2 rounds doesn't count as a schooling... This wasn't in the same realms of reality as Herol Graham getting taken out, not in the slightest and lets not pretend otherwise shall we?

I'm not at all pretending otherwise. Perhaps schooling wasn't the best word to use but there is no question in my mind that Khan dominated Garcia for 8 minutes and had very few problems in doing so.

as1079 wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

Khan was 'schooling' (sorry Waingro) Garcia

6 minutes and 2 rounds doesn't count as a schooling... This wasn't in the same realms of reality as Herol Graham getting taken out, not in the slightest and lets not pretend otherwise shall we?

I'm not at all pretending otherwise. Perhaps schooling wasn't the best word to use but there is no question in my mind that Khan dominated Garcia for 8 minutes and had very few problems in doing so.

A whole 8 minutes?! Hahaha! Thats worth noting!

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a step up from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

88Chris05 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a step up from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

Still bitter about yesterday? Gotta let it go son, let it go!

You've only got 1 L on your record, the dream is still alive.

88Chris05 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a cavernous step up of Grand Canyon proportions from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

Edited your post Chris, think you forgot a few words

Bartley Gorman wrote:

as1079 wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

Khan was 'schooling' (sorry Waingro) Garcia

6 minutes and 2 rounds doesn't count as a schooling... This wasn't in the same realms of reality as Herol Graham getting taken out, not in the slightest and lets not pretend otherwise shall we?

I'm not at all pretending otherwise. Perhaps schooling wasn't the best word to use but there is no question in my mind that Khan dominated Garcia for 8 minutes and had very few problems in doing so.

A whole 8 minutes?! Hahaha! Thats worth noting!

That's not really the point I'm making. Khan was beaten and comprehensively so and is very much beside the point here. What I'm trying to get is that I don't believe Garcia is of the necessary quality (once again, apologies to Waingro) to bring out Judah's demons. Despite his dad, I want Garcia to win but I'm slightly favouring Judah here.

coxy0001 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a cavernous step up of Grand Canyon proportions from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

Edited your post Chris, think you forgot a few words

Tumbleweed...Im embarrassed for you son!

I think that while schooling is a premature word to describe the opening rounds of khan-Garcia but you can see why that word could be used. Khan was boxing like he boxed Judah, he was popping Garica without getting hit and Garica looked like he had felt a couple of khan's right hands early. People may say that Garica was starting to time Khan but while I think it's partially true I think Danny was looking a little desperate and was neglecting his offence and meerly looking for the big left hook and fortunately he caught khan good and Khan couldn't recover

In the first morales fight morales outworked him for large parts and looked to have the faster hands. Even in the 2nd fight morales caught Garcia easily enough but he couldn't take garcia's power.

Unfair to Garcia to say it's a lucky punch. He was looking for it. To my mind, he was getting beat early because he was looking to time a counter. Garcia may not be the slickest or fastest, but he's a really good counter puncher.

Agree boxthis, far from a lucky punch!

Bartley Gorman wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a cavernous step up of Grand Canyon proportions from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

Edited your post Chris, think you forgot a few words

Tumbleweed...Im embarrassed for you son!

You're embarrassed about a lot of things though. Or at least should be if your mental state allowed you to be. Don't worry, we don't take much notice of what you write.

coxy0001 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a cavernous step up of Grand Canyon proportions from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

Edited your post Chris, think you forgot a few words

Tumbleweed...Im embarrassed for you son!

You're embarrassed about a lot of things though. Or at least should be if your mental state allowed you to be. Don't worry, we don't take much notice of what you write.

You do see the irony inherent in pointing out you don't take a lot of notice of what he writes in a post written solely to respond to something he wrote.

Rotherham Joe Gans wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a cavernous step up of Grand Canyon proportions from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

Edited your post Chris, think you forgot a few words

Tumbleweed...Im embarrassed for you son!

You're embarrassed about a lot of things though. Or at least should be if your mental state allowed you to be. Don't worry, we don't take much notice of what you write.

You do see the irony inherent in pointing out you don't take a lot of notice of what he writes in a post written solely to respond to something he wrote.

Another L on the record for Coxy.

Rotherham Joe Gans wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:Thats worth noting!

Already a cavernous step up of Grand Canyon proportions from the majority of your posts in that case, then.

Edited your post Chris, think you forgot a few words

Tumbleweed...Im embarrassed for you son!

You're embarrassed about a lot of things though. Or at least should be if your mental state allowed you to be. Don't worry, we don't take much notice of what you write.

You do see the irony inherent in pointing out you don't take a lot of notice of what he writes in a post written solely to respond to something he wrote.

Note the use of "much notice", which I'd interpret as an occasional acknowledgment of what the little lad has written before moving on to talk to the more sensible ones here.

Fists of Fury wrote:Digressing slightly, does anyone know how Olusegun looked against Matthysse? I know he was stopped in the 10th, but was it close? Did he find any success or was he out of his league?

Battered around the ring more or less, showed a lot of heart but couldn't keep Matthysse off him.

Also, Re the Khan/Garcia fight, there was no doubting that Garcia was getting beaten, however he was most certainly having his moments, he actually hurt Khan with a shot at the end of the 2nd, similar to the jab that Prescott landed that sent Khans legs to jelly before the left hook landed to knock him down. Garcia was being beaten, hwoever he was having litle moments here and there and catching Khan during the exchanges. To say it was a schooling, is daft as it was competetive although he was being bested.

Schooling wasn't the most appropriate word to use but I still maintain that Khan was dominating that fight until the Garcia landed that punch. Granted it was only for a short time but that and Garcia's first bout against Morales highlighted his deficiencies for me and lead me to believe Judah wins this. Garcia is an OK boxer with big power but can be so crude at times and certainly doesn't hit as hard as Matthyyse or Maidana at LWW.

I think Zab may upset the odds in this one, I may well be wrong, but I think experience and boxing skills may be enough, up until he got hammered Khan showed that Garcia can be outboxed, and say what you want about his failures and dissapointments, Zap is a very talented, tricky southpaw who showed against Paris that he still may have something to offer.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Digressing slightly, does anyone know how Olusegun looked against Matthysse? I know he was stopped in the 10th, but was it close? Did he find any success or was he out of his league?

Battered around the ring more or less, showed a lot of heart but couldn't keep Matthysse off him.

i had it a little more competitive than that, i'd say the first 3-4 rounds were about even before lucas just out willed, out fought and over powered olsegun who was still finding the target but not hurting him.

It was competitive but if I can remember correctly Matthysse really had him hurt in the 2nd after a good start from Ajose and won pretty much every round untill the 7th or 8th were Lucas took a rest