Wach Positive Steroid Test

Anyone hear about this? I heard that his A sample from the Wlad fight was reported to have tested positive for PEDs and they are awaiting the result of the B sample. Seems to be up on the internet but not sure if anything has been confirmed.

Havent heard anything but if they did tamper with that glove is there any surprise? Wlad is so difficult to negotiate that people must be trying all sorts of things to beat him.

Also might interest you that I had a discussion with my mate in dortmund who interviewed wlad for his journalism degree last year. He was very complimentary about him. However, he also interviewed 2 or 3 young Heavy amatuer hopefuls who sparred with the big man (i'll get the names off him next week hopefully). One of them discussed the session with my mate at length and he had this to say.

"I found it very easy to avoid his punches when I backed away but it was scary when I tried to slip the jab and come in. I could see the punch coming but it was like my feet were planted in the earth. He is so much faster than he looks that you cant do anything when you come in and you have to throw on your way in because he can easily throw you about when you get in"

I'll see if I can get the whole interview - but he had to submit the notes with his work.

What particular drug was it? He has a big prominent jaw, not exactly stone cold proof if steroid abuse but is can be a result of taking certain types.

He took steroids and was that useless?

Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

as1079 wrote:Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

There's no proof that Wach took them intentionally, most probably it was put in Wach's water bottle by Vitali whilst he was removing the padding. Let's not forget that they are Ukranian, so this is enough reason for them to possibly have done this. Also, Vitali is a politician and as we all know, politicians aren't men to be trusted, especially because it is a corrupt country. Vitali should be banned from the sport for this imo.

I've always mantained the belief that drug use in boxing is rife to the point where its considered the norm amoungst the athletes themselves.

Sometimes it can be obvious to spot when there is a rather sudden change of appearence.
Wach's physique looked alot more thick and solid agains Klitschko than it did in his previous fights.

We see this occur quite reguarly, not only with athletes, but in other industries such as acting too.

as1079 wrote:Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

My view on the fight is to wait and see the result of an inquiry and to look at things from all angles. I am not biased towards Klitschko like most people on here. I know his reputation and I would not trust him. This is more controversy about this fight first with a glove and now with steroids. Is it beyond Klitschko to plant a glove or to doctor test result or even to spike something in a drink to make a failed test? I dont know but I think there should be a proper investigation and until then why should we automtically assume it is the opponent and not Klitschko that was breaking rules. Lets not forget ths happened in Klitschkos back yard. Sadly corruption is part of boxing and Germany especially has a terrible reputation for favouring home fighters. Look at Sven Ottke. Lets just see what an independant inquiry yields and not just take Klitschos word for everything.

If you "know" his reputation, I take it you know him personally Gordy?

Are you David Haye in disguise or just a plain WUM??

Gordy wrote:

as1079 wrote:Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

This is more controversy about this fight first with a glove and now with steroids. Is it beyond Klitschko to plant a glove or to doctor test result or even to spike something in a drink to make a failed test?.

Klitschko never planted the glove. The governing body have the gloves they gave them to Wach's team. Vitali enters the room on camera wearing a t-shirt (so he couldn't sneak in a glove) examines the glove and it has been proved to be tampered with How could Vitali tamper with it? And why would he tamper with it what would he get out of it?

it is very funny that you would even suggest Klitschkos drugged him. How would they know what he is going to eat to drug him? Are they the Mafia or MI6 and have secret agents following Wach and spiking his drinks?

But again what would they get out of spiking Wach with a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drug? Was Klitschko hoping they he could spike wach's drinks so wach gets extra strong and KO's klitschko but then after the drugs test it would be ruled a NC? is that what Klitschko wanted?

victorgarco wrote:

Gordy wrote:

as1079 wrote:Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

This is more controversy about this fight first with a glove and now with steroids. Is it beyond Klitschko to plant a glove or to doctor test result or even to spike something in a drink to make a failed test?.

Klitschko never planted the glove. The governing body have the gloves they gave them to Wach's team. Vitali enters the room on camera wearing a t-shirt (so he couldn't sneak in a glove) examines the glove and it has been proved to be tampered with How could Vitali tamper with it? And why would he tamper with it what would he get out of it?

it is very funny that you would even suggest Klitschkos drugged him. How would they know what he is going to eat to drug him? Are they the Mafia or MI6 and have secret agents following Wach and spiking his drinks?

But again what would they get out of spiking Wach with a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drug? Was Klitschko hoping they he could spike wach's drinks so wach gets extra strong and KO's klitschko but then after the drugs test it would be ruled a NC? is that what Klitschko wanted?

Maybe Wlad wanted a decent fight for once.

Gordy wrote:

as1079 wrote:Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

My view on the fight is to wait and see the result of an inquiry and to look at things from all angles. I am not biased towards Klitschko like most people on here. I know his reputation and I would not trust him. This is more controversy about this fight first with a glove and now with steroids. Is it beyond Klitschko to plant a glove or to doctor test result or even to spike something in a drink to make a failed test? I dont know but I think there should be a proper investigation and until then why should we automtically assume it is the opponent and not Klitschko that was breaking rules. Lets not forget ths happened in Klitschkos back yard. Sadly corruption is part of boxing and Germany especially has a terrible reputation for favouring home fighters. Look at Sven Ottke. Lets just see what an independant inquiry yields and not just take Klitschos word for everything.

I've got to hand it to you, Mr Bennett. As1079 set down the gauntlet, and you didn't disappoint. You never disappoint.

If you don't pick up a couple of Sean's 606v2 awards this week I can only assume that great injustice is afoot!

victorgarco wrote:

Gordy wrote:

as1079 wrote:Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

This is more controversy about this fight first with a glove and now with steroids. Is it beyond Klitschko to plant a glove or to doctor test result or even to spike something in a drink to make a failed test?.

Klitschko never planted the glove. The governing body have the gloves they gave them to Wach's team. Vitali enters the room on camera wearing a t-shirt (so he couldn't sneak in a glove) examines the glove and it has been proved to be tampered with How could Vitali tamper with it? And why would he tamper with it what would he get out of it?

it is very funny that you would even suggest Klitschkos drugged him. How would they know what he is going to eat to drug him? Are they the Mafia or MI6 and have secret agents following Wach and spiking his drinks?

But again what would they get out of spiking Wach with a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drug? Was Klitschko hoping they he could spike wach's drinks so wach gets extra strong and KO's klitschko but then after the drugs test it would be ruled a NC? is that what Klitschko wanted?

Klitschko could have used the drugs as an excuse if he lost so it would have been insurance. If his opponent tampered with the glove and took steroids then he should be banned for life and if Klischko planted the glove or the steroids then he should been banned for life. I am not biased unlike others on here. It should be equal punishment but lets wait until we know the full story instead of just believing Klitschko could not do this.

Gordy wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

Gordy wrote:

as1079 wrote:Can't wait 'til Gordy explains how Klitschko must have planted the drugs in Wach's curry.

This is more controversy about this fight first with a glove and now with steroids. Is it beyond Klitschko to plant a glove or to doctor test result or even to spike something in a drink to make a failed test?.

Klitschko never planted the glove. The governing body have the gloves they gave them to Wach's team. Vitali enters the room on camera wearing a t-shirt (so he couldn't sneak in a glove) examines the glove and it has been proved to be tampered with How could Vitali tamper with it? And why would he tamper with it what would he get out of it?

it is very funny that you would even suggest Klitschkos drugged him. How would they know what he is going to eat to drug him? Are they the Mafia or MI6 and have secret agents following Wach and spiking his drinks?

But again what would they get out of spiking Wach with a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drug? Was Klitschko hoping they he could spike wach's drinks so wach gets extra strong and KO's klitschko but then after the drugs test it would be ruled a NC? is that what Klitschko wanted?

Klitschko could have used the drugs as an excuse if he lost so it would have been insurance. If his opponent tampered with the glove and took steroids then he should be banned for life and if Klischko planted the glove or the steroids then he should been banned for life. I am not biased unlike others on here. It should be equal punishment but lets wait until we know the full story instead of just believing Klitschko could not do this.

But the argument he planted the glove as insurance if he loses does not make sense. First of all the pdding on the glove protects klitschko so if he removes his opponents padding he is more likely to lose as the punches will be a lot harder. Also if he lanted it as insurance if he loses why would he tell the boxing organisation representative in the changing room before the fight that the padding has been removed and that the glove has to be changed as it is no good? That goes against your insurance argument as klitschko made sure the glove wouldn't be used in the fight.

Klitschko could have planted the glove as a mind game to unsettle his opponent or to make him look guilty. Then if he lost the fight he could use the steroids and the glove to make his opponent look guilty so it makes sense he would do that but then find the glove before the fight.

Gordy wrote:Klitschko could have planted the glove as a mind game to unsettle his opponent or to make him look guilty. Then if he lost the fight he could use the steroids and the glove to make his opponent look guilty so it makes sense he would do that but then find the glove before the fight.

When your ifs and buts and mabeys sound like something from a james Bond film you should work out that it's wrong. Your view that klitschko planted a glove with padding removed to wind up wach and poisoned his food with steroids as an insurance of getting a NC result if he loses sounds so unbelievable and I can't figure out how any grown man would believe such a story.

Gordy wrote
"I dont know but I think there should be a proper investigation and until then why should we automtically assume it is the opponent and not Klitschko that was breaking rules."

This is like saying a person who was shot in the back of head may have backed onto the bullet at high speed. Somebody else has a sample showing possible drug use and Sr Conspiracy Theory wants everyone to consider the possibility of a K2 stitch up "for insurance purposes". Where was Vitali in in 1963 we must ask ourselves. Just because he wasn't born until years later is no reason to discount him from the possibility that he was on the grassy knoll! We know he has a time machine and used this to set up Ukranian elections so that he wouldn't have to fight Haye this year. What a start to the week!

All seems a lot of work for Wach.

Gordy wrote:It should be equal punishment but lets wait until we know the full story instead of just believing Klitschko could not do this.

It should be equal punishment but lets wait until we know the full story instead of just believing Klitschko did this.

What the hell Gordy, this is a new low.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:What particular drug was it? He has a big prominent jaw, not exactly stone cold proof if steroid abuse but is can be a result of taking certain types.

Do you know what? I mentioned my pronounced jawline theory on the athletcis forum as a sign of drug abuse and was shot down for it. I knew there was truth in it!

I'm sure Wach's father was at ringside, and had an equally prominent jawline.

Stop clutching at Gordy's straws!

It is a symptom of growth hormone I believe. Not by any means conclusive though.

The problem with steroid threads....Is that most people commenting don't understand them...........

Perception.... rather than knowledge.......

Feel free to correct Truss. I've been around steroid users for years so have seen this first hand. The users themselves even accept this. Just like those with spotty backs, could just be very unlucky, or could be more sinister.

My Mrs once commented that I was getting stroppy with her a lot during a cycle!!(although I didn't seem to notice anymore aggression in my demeanor).......

Although once after a lovemaking session she was in intensive care for a year!!

and I must admit when I came off I became more injury prone.....

Once had high liver enzymes come up after a blood test....

But no spotty back or any other side effect really....

My Mrs has never known I've indulged Lumber!!!

She doesn't know a lot of things about me.........

I've kept the fact I'm really Lord Lucan quiet all these years!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The problem with steroid threads....Is that most people commenting don't understand them...........

Perception.... rather than knowledge.......

I doubt anyone understands them as well as a beefster................who may have been partial to the odd "boost" now and then eh?

steroids should be legal?

Super D Boon wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The problem with steroid threads....Is that most people commenting don't understand them...........

Perception.... rather than knowledge.......

I doubt anyone understands them as well as a beefster................who may have been partial to the odd "boost" now and then eh?

Viagra isn't classed as performance enhancing by WADA.

victorgarco wrote:steroids should be legal?

Quite possibly, but does sport not have a moral code to prevent athletes from harming future health. Although on that note boxing probably wouldn't exist.

Absolutely...where would it end If it was legal.....

The sociopathic risk takers would take over every sport......by taking more and more....thinking the other guy is doing it!!

Carnage!!!

The problem these days is there are bigger cash incentives for Doctor's finding ways for athletes to beat tests rather than for catching cheats!!!

Hence the best in the business are on the side of the cheats......

I'm sure any power sport is rife.....unfortunately the convicts take all the heat and they are only the tip...........

victorgarco wrote:steroids should be legal?

Can’t agree with this statement in any way shape or form, what you are saying if steroids are legal is basically anyone who has any morality and refuses to take them and tries to achieve in sport through talent training and graft alone is fated to never achieve anything at all as he will inevitably be trying to better people who have no such morality

I don't think morality is an issue Rowley. It is more the potential health risks to those who do not wish to partake. If they were safe I've no doubt all athletes would take them, without a second thought.

Rowley wrote:

victorgarco wrote:steroids should be legal?

Can’t agree with this statement in any way shape or form, what you are saying if steroids are legal is basically anyone who has any morality and refuses to take them and tries to achieve in sport through talent training and graft alone is fated to never achieve anything at all as he will inevitably be trying to better people who have no such morality

I was asking a question to find out the forum's view.

Of course it's an issue Lumbering...

Just as fighters like Mike Weaver went to South Africa for $200,000 others turned it down....

There are principled types around..

Unfortunately as Haye-Chisora showed they are becoming fewer in number!!

victorgarco wrote:

Rowley wrote:

victorgarco wrote:steroids should be legal?

Can’t agree with this statement in any way shape or form, what you are saying if steroids are legal is basically anyone who has any morality and refuses to take them and tries to achieve in sport through talent training and graft alone is fated to never achieve anything at all as he will inevitably be trying to better people who have no such morality

I was asking a question to find out the forum's view.

You've now got them, I am more than willing and able to speak for everyone on here.

*Except Gordy. You aren't that daft yet my brother

Rowley is your brother???

You have my sympathies..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Rowley is your brother???

You have my sympathies..

Thanks man

"Brother" and "man..."

Starting a hippie revival are we Shah??????

Groovy...

You must be the "strange" uncle Truss

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"Brother" and "man..."

Starting a hippie revival are we Shah??????

Groovy...

I was chewing some Khat last night so yes you coudl say that

I think it would be a truly sad day for all sports if general consensus pointed towards all steroids being made legal and fans being quite happy to have it that way.

What enjoyment could anyone possibly get from watching a fight and knowing (rather than suspecting or, if you're not a skeptic, not suspecting at all) that the two combatants are blatantly juiced and that the additional substances running through their veins, rather than their actual talent and ability as a fighter, will likely be the deciding factor of the fight?

Similarly, how could anyone get excited about an Olympic 100m final if they knew for a fact that the winner crossed the line not because they're the fastest man on earth, but because they have the cleverest and most dishonest chemist in the world?

It annoys me that it's seen, in some quarters, as being "naive" or "deluded" to expect and demand a level playing field from our sportsmen and sportswomen these days. Those who denounce the use of PEDS are routinely laughed at and told to "get with the times" whereas those caught in the act tend to receive little to no meaningful punishment, are allowed to return to their sport with just as much, if not more, standing as they had before and even more alarmingly are usually defended by the masses, who simply shrug their shoulders and say, "Well, everyone else is doing it, I bet."

Sport, to me, is about human beings using their God-given talents and gifts to do extraordinary things with their body, using it as an instrument to do great things. It's about the ssence of competing and driving yourself to be the best.

It is not, and should never be, about achieving 'great' status through extra avenues which don't equate to being a part of your body and mind.

Surely the fact Ben Johnson would've struggled to have reached the Olympic final at London.......and you still enjoyed watching the 100m to a certain extent rebuts you Chris....

Athletics is rife........especially the power sports..

I've no doubts that athletics is rife, Truss. That's not the issue, however. Right now we can hope that the athletes are clean and, until they fail a test, then we have no other choice but to give them the benefit of the doubt. The cases of Johnson, Justin Gatlin, Kenteris, Marion Jones and many others have damaged the sport - but how much more damaged would the reputation of it be if it was an unequivocal fact that every competitor was juicing, and that natural talent had much less to do with winning gold medals than we all thought / hoped it had?

88Chris05 wrote:I think it would be a truly sad day for all sports if general consensus pointed towards all steroids being made legal and fans being quite happy to have it that way.

What enjoyment could anyone possibly get from watching a fight and knowing (rather than suspecting or, if you're not a skeptic, not suspecting at all) that the two combatants are blatantly juiced and that the additional substances running through their veins, rather than their actual talent and ability as a fighter, will likely be the deciding factor of the fight?

Similarly, how could anyone get excited about an Olympic 100m final if they knew for a fact that the winner crossed the line not because they're the fastest man on earth, but because they have the cleverest and most dishonest chemist in the world?

It annoys me that it's seen, in some quarters, as being "naive" or "deluded" to expect and demand a level playing field from our sportsmen and sportswomen these days. Those who denounce the use of PEDS are routinely laughed at and told to "get with the times" whereas those caught in the act tend to receive little to no meaningful punishment, are allowed to return to their sport with just as much, if not more, standing as they had before and even more alarmingly are usually defended by the masses, who simply shrug their shoulders and say, "Well, everyone else is doing it, I bet."

Sport, to me, is about human beings using their God-given talents and gifts to do extraordinary things with their body, using it as an instrument to do great things. It's about the ssence of competing and driving yourself to be the best.

It is not, and should never be, about achieving 'great' status through extra avenues which don't equate to being a part of your body and mind.

I watch sports knowing that the best athletes have had the best nutrition, the best protein bars the best protein shakes the best vitamin supplements etc. How is that different to steroids? Both enhance performance.

Natural testosterone boosters..........and unnatural testosterone boosters

Think Gordy may just have reached a new low...

DaveVDK wrote:Think Gordy may just have reached a new low...

He's through the floor then

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Natural testosterone boosters..........and unnatural testosterone boosters

why is one considered natural and the other unnatural? bith are made by scientists in a lab to improve the body. It might sound daft and I haven't researched it etc but I never understand why one form of supplemets (protein bars, vitamin tablets etc) are considered fine whlst the other (steroids) is prohibited. Both are man made substances which have positive effects on the body.