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The Greatest: Round 1: Shortlist for the 4 & 5 shirts (VOTING ENDS 23/12/12)

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Post by George Carlin Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:36 pm

The lock thread.

Yes, I know that there's a practical difference in game between 4 and 5, but I just don't care.

As I'm treating 4 and 5 in the same thread, everyone gets to pick two players and the vote for the teamsheet will have 6 options. So group them as you want them.

Please post below picking TWO and two only from this list of lighthouses/borderline psychopaths:

John Eales (Australia), Gordon Brown (Scotland), Martin Johnson, Bill Beaumont, Simon Shaw, Paul Ackford (England), Frik du Preez, Victor Matfield, Johan Claassen, Mark Andrews, Bakkies Botha, Fairy Heatlie (South Africa), Brad Thorn, Colin Meads, Ian Jones, Brian Lochore (New Zealand), Fabien Pelous, Elie Cester, Benoit Danga (France), Willie-John McBride, Paul O'Connell, Malcolm O'Kelly (Ireland), Patricio Albacete (Argentina).


Top six go through to the vote for the teamsheet.

Will update the OP to make up for any glaring omissions.

Players above in no particular order.

Notes:

1. Rules here:
https://www.606v2.com/t38622-the-greatest-introduction-the-rules

2. Previous threads here:
https://www.606v2.com/t38631-the-greatest-round-1-shortlist-for-the-1-shirt#1745446

https://www.606v2.com/t38632-the-greatest-round-1-shortlist-for-the-2-shirt#1745455

https://www.606v2.com/t38633-the-greatest-round-1-shortlist-for-the-3-shirt#1745464

3. Please note that voting for the shortlist will end at midnight on Sunday 23 December.


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Post by chewed_mintie Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:47 pm

George, just wanted to point out that Brian Lochore was more of a No 8 than a lock....and no space for Brad Thorn? Has won everything going in World Rugby (and League)

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Post by George Carlin Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:49 pm

Understood Mintie - have updated for Thorn but always saw Brian as more of a lock.The Greatest: Round 1: Shortlist for the 4 & 5 shirts (VOTING ENDS 23/12/12) 3187153522 Hmm. I love to learn.
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Post by Bathman_in_London Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:52 pm

Eales.

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Post by Biltong Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:54 pm

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:59 pm

Eales

Johnson
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Post by George Carlin Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:01 pm

Biltong wrote:Victor Matfield

...and I imagine du Preez for you, Biltong?
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Post by Biltong Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:04 pm

Yes, but du Preez was when I was a young boy (memory is fading), the way I see it, the primary function of a lock is line out ball, and sorry to say, but none of these guys dominated the art of line outs like MAtfield.
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Post by George Carlin Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:08 pm

But you get to pick two players on this particular thread, Biltong.
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Post by OzT Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:14 pm

wot ozzzy said... OK ( eales and MJ )

That would be an awesome combo worth watching....

And hurry up put the number 9 spot up please, itcxhing to put my favorite down!!! ** jumping up and down in antiissss... sapation ***


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Post by fa0019 Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:15 pm

Du Preez & Johnson.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:15 pm

Johnson, Matfield
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Post by BlueNote Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:02 pm

Eales and Matfield

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Post by AlastairW Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:57 pm

Martin Johnson

John Eales

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:04 pm

Eales and Meads
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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:05 pm

Martin Johnson

Victor Matfield.

Boom.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:17 pm

Eales and Willie John
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Post by GunsGerms Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:18 pm

Willie John Eales for me too.

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Post by chewed_mintie Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:28 pm

As much as I love Brad Thorn, I’ll plump for Meads and Johnson. The Master and the Apprentice

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Post by fa0019 Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:44 pm

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Thats an excellent choice, never crossed my mine when I voted.

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Post by B91212 Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:45 pm

Johnson & Matfield would be just about the perfect combo for me. Honorable mentions to Earls, Thorn & POC when he was at his absolute best.

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Post by BoyneRFC Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:47 pm

Gethin. Simply for his work around the park. x 2.

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Post by offload Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:21 pm

Eales and Johnson
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Post by emack2 Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:17 pm

Colin Meads /Stan Meads,Colin Meads/Alan Stewart,Colin Meads/Peter Whiting,Thorn /Jack
Tiny White/Bob Duff,Brad Thorn/Ali Williams,Haden/Whiting,Williams /Jack.
ALL those would be contenders from NZ alone.

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Post by pete (buachaill on eirne) Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:34 pm

Victor Matfield and Brad Thorn

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Post by majesticimperialman Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:39 pm

Martin Johnson/John Eales This is so close it is hard to seperate them.

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Post by GunsGerms Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:41 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Martin Johnson/John Eales This is so close it is hard to seperate them.

Dont think Johnson could kick goals.

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Post by maestegmafia Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:06 pm

John Eales and Delme thomas

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Post by MotelMoneyMurderMadness Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:56 pm

Eales & Johnson

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Post by wales606 Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:35 pm

Matfield and Johnson
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Post by nganboy Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:39 am

Eales and Matfield
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Post by Poorfour Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:13 am

Eales, unquestionably, as the lineout leader.

The enforcer could be Botha, Shaw... but I'll go for Johnson.
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:18 am

I can't post. This thread has been locked. Whistle

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:19 am

Ah, thanks mods. Eales and Matfield. Eales pips it for me with his goalkicking. Very Happy Would love to have both but that leaves it lightweight. Colin Meads. No messing about with him on the field.

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Post by Geordie Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:28 pm

Johnson and Eales

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Post by emack2 Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:27 pm

With respect the Lock primary role is to Scrummage,then the lineout,Colin Meads was THE best Lock i`ve ever seen.He was Great in the lineout BUT not a great jumper.
Victor was a Great Lineout exponent BUT was outplayed in 2008 by Ali Williams.
Indeed at Dunedin by anton Boric.
THE best Lineout Forward i`ve seen was Nevan McEwan ,Peter Whiting was close.Eales no where near,Frik Du Preez was probably the best Bok exponent i`ve seen at Lineout.BUT he was a Lock/6 utility player like eales he kicked Goals too.
Only in recent years has the Lineout become the key area since legalised lifting
In cidentally Brad Thorn was a great Grunt Lock in recent years but no Lineout Jumper.

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Post by mckay1402 Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:35 pm

Eales and Matfield. awesome they would have been
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Post by thebluesmancometh Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:32 pm

See the problem with this is that Eales and Matfeild probably wouldn't work together, they are quite similar, and they both would need a Botha type to help them.

IMHO you could only select 1 of these players, and thats the flaw in the thread.

I hate it when locks are lumped together when lossey and tightys are deemed specialist, similar to right and left wing!!!

I'd go with Matfeild and POC Cool

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Post by OzT Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:59 pm

True thebluesman, why I prefer Eales and MJ, player and enforcer..

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Post by Cyril Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:13 pm

This one is easy.

Eales and Johnson.

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Post by Exiledinborders Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:14 pm

Colin Meads & Martin Johnson

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Post by timhen Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:13 pm

Eales & Johnson

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Post by BamBam Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:32 pm

Johnson and Matfield

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:10 am

Eales & Johnno

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Post by DHLS07 Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:05 pm

Colin Meads
John Eales

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Post by PenfroPete Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:21 pm

Eales and Willie John McBride

Can't believe we have POC & MOK in the list for Ireland but no Willie John. No Delme Thomas (3 Lions tours) or anyone else for Wales Headscratch
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Post by George Carlin Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:06 pm

PenfroPete wrote:Eales and Willie John McBride

Can't believe we have POC & MOK in the list for Ireland but no Willie John. No Delme Thomas (3 Lions tours) or anyone else for Wales Headscratch
He's second on the list, Penfro.

Will combine the Irish lads so that it's easier to see though.
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Post by yappysnap Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:02 pm

Eales

Johnson

Massively talented and a massive presence

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Post by king_carlos Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:11 am

Johnson

Eales

Wouldn't ever want either of them let alone both in the opposition!

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Post by Standulstermen Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:25 pm

Eales
Matfield

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