Ongoing NFL discussion thread

by GSC Wed 19 Dec 2012, 10:00 pm

To fill the void of NFL chatter between Tuesday and Sunday.

BLACK MONDAY
Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, Pat Shurmur, Chan Gailey, Romeo Crennel and Ken Whisenhunt all fired as HCs
Mike Tannenbaum, Gene Smith, Tom Heckert, Rod Graves and A.J Smith fired as GMs

Kansas City hire Andy Reid
Buffalo hire Doug Marrone
Cleveland hire Rob Chudzinski
San Diego hire Mike McCoy
Chicago hire Marc Trestman
Philadelphia hire Chip Kelly
Jacksonville hire Gus Bradley
Arizona hire Bruce Arians

by GSC Wed 19 Dec 2012, 10:06 pm

Josh McDaniels apparently would love to coach the Browns

Expect Lloyd to land there then.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 19 Dec 2012, 10:08 pm

Who would give up anything for Tebow?

by GSC Wed 19 Dec 2012, 10:19 pm

Jacksonville to fill seats. Wanted to last year.

by CFCNick Wed 19 Dec 2012, 10:38 pm

GSC wrote:Jacksonville to fill seats. Wanted to last year.

I'm gonna defend the Jags here. They'll be my favourite AFC team for the London games.

Look at this post http://forum.nfluk.com/showpost.php?p=1720750&postcount=3

by GSC Wed 19 Dec 2012, 10:40 pm

The proof is in the pudding. Shahid Khan, a very smart businessman, wanted him while the coaching staff didnt.

by GSC Wed 19 Dec 2012, 10:44 pm

Whats up with JPP this year. Hes been worse than Brandon Graham!

by **Pr4wn** Thu 20 Dec 2012, 12:12 am

Ouch. He was playing well early on in the season. Maybe he picked up an injury?

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 12:21 am

If I had to guess, JPP always relied upon his immense physical attributes, and his technique is pretty so so.

by Thomond Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:51 am

I would guess that far more focus has been put on him this year, and he as struggled.

I suppose the big debate in Tampa is whether to keep Freeman or not. He has improved in some areas (deep ball accuracy) but when the line has been dodgy he has crumbled and reverted back to some of his old problems in staring down receivers. Personally I think he should be kept, his deal runs for another year, you then find out whether he deserves to stay about midway or so through next year. He is certainly far better than the alternatives Buc fans are putting up (Cousins,Mallett, Flynn and Tebow)

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 20 Dec 2012, 1:17 pm

Freeman should be kept for sure, he has the talent, just loses it mentally sometimes.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 1:22 pm

I'd say hes shown enough to get another year but he needs to discover some consistency

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 20 Dec 2012, 1:26 pm

Jags should get Geno Smith from the draft. If they get Tebow they've gotta get the system to suit him and it's not really worth it

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 1:28 pm

Nobody is starting Tim Tebow at QB. Everybody stop thinking this.

The Jets would rather start a 6th round pick whose speciality is handing off

by sodhat Thu 20 Dec 2012, 1:30 pm

Best NFL gag I saw this week:

Mark Sanchez tried to throw a tantrum after being told he wasn't starting week 16, but it was intercepted.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 2:22 pm

Jets appear to have become the frontrunners for Mike Vick.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 2:25 pm

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/20/oakland-struggles-to-afford-an-nfl-team/

Looks like Oakland might have to suck it up and share Santa Clara with the 49ers.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 5:43 pm

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/20/mcelroy-everything-i-know-about-playing-qb-i-learned-from-sanchez/

Oh dear

by Skyforger Thu 20 Dec 2012, 6:02 pm

sodhat wrote:Best NFL gag I saw this week:

Mark Sanchez tried to throw a tantrum after being told he wasn't starting week 16, but it was intercepted.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 7:19 pm

Few candidates for the Week 17 Flex:

Ravens @ Bengals
If Ravens lose and Bengals win this week, winner takes the AFC North, and likely hosts Indy, while loser goes to New England/Denver

Cowboys @ Redskins
Winner determines winner of NFC East if both match the Giants result this weekend.

Packers @ Vikings
A.D going for the record while Vikes have to win?

by crazy_dave23 Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:10 pm

sodhat wrote:Best NFL gag I saw this week:

Mark Sanchez tried to throw a tantrum after being told he wasn't starting week 16, but it was intercepted.

Mark Sanchez laughing

by Thomond Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:15 pm

GSC wrote:I'd say hes shown enough to get another year but he needs to discover some consistency

The way the Bucs play he is never going to be a 70% passer, he can be something akin to Eli Manning, needs other guys to help him out.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:24 pm

Aye, but its hard to entrust the offense to him if you dont know which QB is going to turn up quarter by quarter. His career so far has been a model of inconsistency

by Thomond Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:28 pm

I'd agree to an extent, although last season is a write off really. His struggles have come with our O-Line being decimated and our defence being absolutely pathetic, bar the Saints game he hasn't been too woeful.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:32 pm

He was pretty crap the first half of the Eagles game tbf, in a game the Bucs absolutely had to win

by Thomond Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:40 pm

He wasn't great no, picked it up in the second, our defence is doing him no favours to put it mildly, I wouldn't give up on the guy yet, see next year. He has done things this year that I don't think many Quarterbacks in the league can do.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:49 pm

In fairness Mark Sanchez has done a few things this year I've never seen a QB do.

by Thomond Thu 20 Dec 2012, 8:56 pm

I mean in a good way! Some amazing throws to Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams, spectacularly placed.

The touchdown and 2 point pass in particular here:

Spoiler:

This video shows when Freeman can be amazing and then what happens when he plays awful.

Spoiler:

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:09 pm

I think the loss of Carl Nicks is a huge factor in Freeman's decline. He seems to feel under pressure when he actually isn't, which is obviously a problem, one that maybe the loss of Nicks is causing.

Yes the offence was good for the first couple of weeks when he first was out, but that was mainly down to Martin being able to run well freeing up the passing game. Now with Martin struggling and the O-line struggling, Freeman doesn't seem to be doing as well.

But I think you gotta keep him. Boys got talent

by Thomond Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:15 pm

Martin is struggling mainly because of the O-line but our defense's inability to defend against a ghost is also a problem. Bucs have to abandon the run early as they are behind (same happened last year with Blount)

I also think Mike Vick can be pretty good in the right environement, he seemed to be conditioned to be a pocket passer and Philly seemed to take away his biggest asset, his legs. That's what it seemes to me anyway. I wish him luck.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:17 pm

I don't think Vick has got much of a future other than a backup in the league. Man has taken too many beatings

Kirk Cousins is well on the way to being Matt Flynn V2. However with the seemingly poor QB class this year someone might trade for him and give him a shot (I'm looking at you Kansas)

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:18 pm

Good luck letting Vick run. He'll be injured in 4 games.

by Thomond Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:19 pm

He needs to run a bit, he got hurt partially due the OL I would imagine, did he take a lot of hits behind that line?

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:19 pm

Nobodys trading a 2nd for Cousins. Yates won a playoff game and there wasnt significant interest in him.

by GSC Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:20 pm

He took hits yes, but because he refuses to slide he'd take them either way.

Teams target him intentionally because they know he can be injured easily also. RG3 will get the same treatment I suspect

by Number-25 Fri 21 Dec 2012, 12:48 pm

I don't think the Redskins will be interested in trading Cousins any time soon to be honest. To do so, defeats the purpose of drafting him in the first place which was to ensure that there was a good back up to RG3 should he either not work as hoped for or miss playing time because of injury. The latter is always a big risk for a mobile QB. Down the line, I'm sure they will look to trade him, but he's staying in DC for 3 years minimum unless someone offers us something silly. With the punishment that RG3 takes, I don't think the Redskins ever want to be in a situation where someone like Rex Grossman or John Beck is just one play from being in the game! Yikes

by Skyforger Fri 21 Dec 2012, 1:17 pm

While talking about QBs, how many years do people think Tom Brady has left starting at NE? When should we start thinking about a replacement?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 1:31 pm

Skyforger wrote:While talking about QBs, how many years do people think Tom Brady has left starting at NE? When should we start thinking about a replacement?

Judging by his play this season I'd say 3/4 years left at least. Ages to think about a replacement, Mallett won't be it I doubt

by GSC Fri 21 Dec 2012, 2:21 pm

To go off on a different tangent, where does Greg Jennings go to in FA and can James Jones/Randall Cobb fill the void?

by GSC Fri 21 Dec 2012, 2:46 pm

The Bills have agreed a new lease in Buffalo for 10 years with hefty relocation penalty. Doesn't really alleviate the concerns when Ralph kicks the bucket though.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 2:52 pm

GSC wrote:To go off on a different tangent, where does Greg Jennings go to in FA and can James Jones/Randall Cobb fill the void?

Jennings I think might end up in Minnesota. Wild guess

Cobb definately can, and has been doing so for a while this season with both Nelson and Jennings injured

by GSC Fri 21 Dec 2012, 2:53 pm

James Jones leads the league in receiving TDs. Selling him short.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 2:54 pm

Cobb has been the sort of Welker for Green Bay this season. Rodgers looks at him a lot to move the chains

Jones is a red zone threat

by Number-25 Fri 21 Dec 2012, 3:38 pm

Olly wrote:
Skyforger wrote:While talking about QBs, how many years do people think Tom Brady has left starting at NE? When should we start thinking about a replacement?

Judging by his play this season I'd say 3/4 years left at least. Ages to think about a replacement, Mallett won't be it I doubt

I've not been paying attention to how Mallett is progressing in NE. He was someone I was hoping the Redskins might have picked up in the draft last year after he cleared the 1st round. Was disappointed when we didn't take a chance on him. Had read some decent stuff on him prior to the draft and obviously some concerning stuff as well. What's the chat on how he's coming along and developing? What's the chances of him starting somewhere for someone one day if it's not going to be in New England?

by Number-25 Fri 21 Dec 2012, 3:41 pm

How about Jennings for Dallas??? It's the sort of splash that Jerry would love to make. Dez has taken a big step forward this season but after him they're getting kinda thing at WR. Austin is good.... when he's fit..... which isn't very often these days. It seems that they're not going to be able to rely on Austin to play a full season anymore. After those two, there's a big drop off.

by GSC Fri 21 Dec 2012, 3:42 pm

Mallett was a massive dbag who needed to sit behind a Brady in a locker room like NE to learn some humility

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 3:55 pm

Number-25 wrote:
Olly wrote:
Skyforger wrote:While talking about QBs, how many years do people think Tom Brady has left starting at NE? When should we start thinking about a replacement?

Judging by his play this season I'd say 3/4 years left at least. Ages to think about a replacement, Mallett won't be it I doubt

I've not been paying attention to how Mallett is progressing in NE. He was someone I was hoping the Redskins might have picked up in the draft last year after he cleared the 1st round. Was disappointed when we didn't take a chance on him. Had read some decent stuff on him prior to the draft and obviously some concerning stuff as well. What's the chat on how he's coming along and developing? What's the chances of him starting somewhere for someone one day if it's not going to be in New England?

Apparantly the organisation don't think he is going to be the answer when Brady retires. Which says a lot I think. (Albert Breer said it on twitter a while back)

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 22 Dec 2012, 7:51 am

There is a strong possibility that Ed Reed could become a free agent this season.

Ravens haven't struck a deal with Flacco yet and if they don't they'll use the tag on him leaving Reed to free agency

by Thomond Sat 22 Dec 2012, 8:45 am

I wouldn't think they give Flacco the tag, Tyrod Taylor has a good bit of upside and I wouldn't think they would be averse to taking a draft pick on somebody. Or just extend Flacco.

by **Derbyblue** Sat 22 Dec 2012, 8:09 pm

Olly wrote:There is a strong possibility that Ed Reed could become a free agent this season.

Ravens haven't struck a deal with Flacco yet and if they don't they'll use the tag on him leaving Reed to free agency

Tagging Flacco doesn't mean that Reed will leave. I see Reed as one of those players who want to spend their whole career in one place so don't see him leaving even if doesn't get tagged.

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