Mathieu Debuchy in Demba Ba out at Newcastle

Newcastle have agreed a deal to sign defender Mathieu Debuchy from Lille, according to the Press Association.
The Magpies were linked with the French international during the summer following the 27-year-old right-back's performances at Euro 2012.
The fee is believed to be in the region of £5m and the move is set to be completed once the January transfer window opens.

Good signing for Newcastle the guy is a quality RB

Chelsea are set to meet with representatives of Newcastle to discuss the potential transfer of Demba Ba. Ba, as is widely known, has a release clause in his contract of £7.5m.

Surprised Chelsea have gone for him considering been linked to the likes of Falcao/Cavani etc.

Well I suppose Ba is the cheaper option and if you think they are selling Sturridge for £12 million they are making a profit and getting a better player...

Plus he will be ready to hit the ground running in the pl.

Newcastle were crazy to have such a low release clause.

Why? The clause was put in when he signed and at the time he was considered injury prone so it was the right thing to do. What was crazy is not giving in to his wage demands and removing the clause with a new deal.

Ba can rot in hell.

Pleased with Debuchy signing though.

Why would anyone pay that fee if he was going to be as injured as much as they feared? Silly, you can always early him for that if he gets injured.

Why can he rot? Most of your players would leave for Chelsea given the opportunity.

The problem with Falcao is he's in decline now. He's already had his two best years, is cup tied for the Europa League and might be the biggest flop of all time if he ever leaves Spain,

So Demba Ba wont be at the AMEX next Saturday good stuff

Demba Ba would be a great signing for Chelsea. Could make Torres a better player as well having a big lad upfront with him.

MockingJay33 wrote:The problem with Falcao is he's in decline now. He's already had his two best years, is cup tied for the Europa League and might be the biggest flop of all time if he ever leaves Spain,

How can you say a player who is probably the best striker in the world right now is in decline. Did you see his performance and goal vs Barca the other week, he was one of the best players on the pitch.

You could say it about Messi, he has had his best years yet he still keeps improving year on year. Falcao is only 26 and has everything you need to succeed in the prem. Obviously there is no certainty to anything in life but I would say its a pretty good bet he would do well.

Now Shevchenko would be a more adequate example. He fits your description of Falcao as he was heading towards his 30's, in decline in serie A and had his best years between 2003-2006.

NickisBHAFC wrote:So Demba Ba wont be at the AMEX next Saturday good stuff

Demba Ba would be a great signing for Chelsea. Could make Torres a better player as well having a big lad upfront with him.

I agree. Although I think Liverpool are highlighting that they are not learning from past mistakes of paying over the top prices for British players by signing Sturridge, who for me is massively overrated, for 12m when they have someone who is a genuine out and out striker, is a big and powerful lad with a proven track record of scoring in the prem for 5m less!! Incredible.

I'd be surprised if Chelsea don't go for Falcao in the summer. They may sign Ba and then sell Torres back to Athletico as part of a deal for Falcao, although I think the plan is to let them keep Courtois permanently as part of the deal, which is decent for Athletico as I think him and De Gea are potentially the two superstars of the future in the goal keeping ranks.

Falcao is great but he is slowly declining. If anyone from outside Spain bought him I think it would ruin his career.

The only reason players look so great in La Liga is because the defending is so poor. I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's done it in the Premier League. Messi disappears against Premier League teams.

MockingJay33 wrote:Falcao is great but he is slowly declining. If anyone from outside Spain bought him I think it would ruin his career.

The only reason players look so great in La Liga is because the defending is so poor. I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's done it in the Premier League. Messi disappears against Premier League teams.

5 goals in 13 games against English opposition. Destroyed Arsenal on his own a few seasons ago, couldn't find how many chances he created or assists he had against English teams.

MockingJay33 wrote:Falcao is great but he is slowly declining. If anyone from outside Spain bought him I think it would ruin his career.

The only reason players look so great in La Liga is because the defending is so poor. I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's done it in the Premier League. Messi disappears against Premier League teams.

Sorry I have to disagree with this.

Falcao has shown no signs of decline so I have no idea where you have got that notion from.

Also on the defending point, I'd argue Messi would score even more in the premier league now than in la liga. Record numbers of goals conceded in this calendar year and some of the defending has been diabolical. Look at this weekends results, 7-3, 4-3 and last week and all this season in general.

On Messi going hiding. He's often the best player on the pitch against english opposition and creates endless chances. He may not have an amazing record buut stats can be deceiving. Messi hasn't had the chance and probably never will to show what he can do in the prem (which would be very well imo) and never will as he's at the best club in the world right now. I never buy the argument ronaldo is better than messi cos he's scored in the prem and messi hasn't when messi has never had the chance to prove his 'critics' wrong.

hampo171 wrote:

MockingJay33 wrote:Falcao is great but he is slowly declining. If anyone from outside Spain bought him I think it would ruin his career.

The only reason players look so great in La Liga is because the defending is so poor. I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's done it in the Premier League. Messi disappears against Premier League teams.

5 goals in 13 games against English opposition. Destroyed Arsenal on his own a few seasons ago, couldn't find how many chances he created or assists he had against English teams.

It's actually 6 in 13, and that sounds good but if you break it down into actual games it's 0 goals in 10. One was a free header against United and a good goal at Wembley against United again, and the other 4 were against a really crap Arsenal defence. He's got 0 goals and only 2 assists out of 8 Barcelona goals in 8 games vs Chelsea. The aggregate score in those 8 games is 9-8 to Chelsea.

MockingJay33 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

MockingJay33 wrote:Falcao is great but he is slowly declining. If anyone from outside Spain bought him I think it would ruin his career.

The only reason players look so great in La Liga is because the defending is so poor. I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's done it in the Premier League. Messi disappears against Premier League teams.

5 goals in 13 games against English opposition. Destroyed Arsenal on his own a few seasons ago, couldn't find how many chances he created or assists he had against English teams.

It's actually 6 in 13, and that sounds good but if you break it down into actual games it's 0 goals in 10. One was a free header against United and a good goal at Wembley against United again, and the other 4 were against a really crap Arsenal defence. He's got 0 goals and only 2 assists out of 8 Barcelona goals in 8 games vs Chelsea. The aggregate score in those 8 games is 9-8 to Chelsea.

That free header was down to his superb movement to free himself of Ferdinand. Then, the ball was behind him, and he was at least 10 yards away from goal. He managed to head it into the far top corner to beat Van Der Sar and was one of the best header's i've witness, plus it won them the trophy. So he's scored two crucial champions league final goals that effectively won them the cup.

He's always looked good against Chelsea, just hasn't scored against them, doesn't mean anything really. Chelsea parked the bus successfully and were always going to be hard to score against. He has 2 assists which isn't bad at all. Allot is made about his record against Chelsea, I don't think it means that much tbh.

Liam wrote:

MockingJay33 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

MockingJay33 wrote:Falcao is great but he is slowly declining. If anyone from outside Spain bought him I think it would ruin his career.

The only reason players look so great in La Liga is because the defending is so poor. I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's done it in the Premier League. Messi disappears against Premier League teams.

5 goals in 13 games against English opposition. Destroyed Arsenal on his own a few seasons ago, couldn't find how many chances he created or assists he had against English teams.

It's actually 6 in 13, and that sounds good but if you break it down into actual games it's 0 goals in 10. One was a free header against United and a good goal at Wembley against United again, and the other 4 were against a really crap Arsenal defence. He's got 0 goals and only 2 assists out of 8 Barcelona goals in 8 games vs Chelsea. The aggregate score in those 8 games is 9-8 to Chelsea.

That free header was down to his superb movement to free himself of Ferdinand. Then, the ball was behind him, and he was at least 10 yards away from goal. He managed to head it into the far top corner to beat Van Der Sar and was one of the best header's i've witness, plus it won them the trophy. So he's scored two crucial champions league final goals that effectively won them the cup.

He's always looked good against Chelsea, just hasn't scored against them, doesn't mean anything really. Chelsea parked the bus successfully and were always going to be hard to score against. He has 2 assists which isn't bad at all. Allot is made about his record against Chelsea, I don't think it means that much tbh.

It's not just parking the bus. In the two clubs history vs each other Barca have never ever beaten Chelsea in 90 minutes when it's 11 v 11.

MockingJay33 wrote:

Liam wrote:

MockingJay33 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

MockingJay33 wrote:Falcao is great but he is slowly declining. If anyone from outside Spain bought him I think it would ruin his career.

The only reason players look so great in La Liga is because the defending is so poor. I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's done it in the Premier League. Messi disappears against Premier League teams.

5 goals in 13 games against English opposition. Destroyed Arsenal on his own a few seasons ago, couldn't find how many chances he created or assists he had against English teams.

It's actually 6 in 13, and that sounds good but if you break it down into actual games it's 0 goals in 10. One was a free header against United and a good goal at Wembley against United again, and the other 4 were against a really crap Arsenal defence. He's got 0 goals and only 2 assists out of 8 Barcelona goals in 8 games vs Chelsea. The aggregate score in those 8 games is 9-8 to Chelsea.

That free header was down to his superb movement to free himself of Ferdinand. Then, the ball was behind him, and he was at least 10 yards away from goal. He managed to head it into the far top corner to beat Van Der Sar and was one of the best header's i've witness, plus it won them the trophy. So he's scored two crucial champions league final goals that effectively won them the cup.

He's always looked good against Chelsea, just hasn't scored against them, doesn't mean anything really. Chelsea parked the bus successfully and were always going to be hard to score against. He has 2 assists which isn't bad at all. Allot is made about his record against Chelsea, I don't think it means that much tbh.

It's not just parking the bus. In the two clubs history vs each other Barca have never ever beaten Chelsea in 90 minutes when it's 11 v 11.

Yes but I don't see what this has to do with Messi in the prem or Faclao somehow on the decline?

6 goals in 13 games against the higher end of english clubs is not a bad record tbf!

Didn't falcao bag a hattrick against Chelsea in August?

Ent wrote:Didn't falcao bag a hattrick against Chelsea in August?

in the first half as well.

Liam wrote:

Ent wrote:Didn't falcao bag a hattrick against Chelsea in August?

in the first half as well.

In a game worth less than the Charity Shield.

Olly wrote:6 goals in 13 games against the higher end of english clubs is not a bad record tbf!

Those 6 goals came in 3 games.

MockingJay33 wrote:

Olly wrote:6 goals in 13 games against the higher end of english clubs is not a bad record tbf!

Those 6 goals came in 3 games.

And?

Ten games with ZERO goals is pretty poor.

Scoring in 2 finals ain't bad though.

Seriously a bit deluded to suggest this as a reason to doubt messi as the best player around - even more so to suggest its a reason another top player will fail having scores a hattrick against a top English team this season.

I think this is an awesome deal for NUFC. Regardless of Ba ability they have Cisse behind who was on fire for them last season and the defense has been an issue for NUFC for a little while. NUFC would need to sign a striker eventually but with Ameobi as back up, Ben Arfa who can play in attack, they should be fine. Pardrew is doing a fantastic job in signing the best French players from the French leagues. And this is coming from a Frenchman who is a blackburn fan!

Debuchy, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Obertan, Marveaux.

Get a cheap striker with quality like a Park Chu Young, Santa Cruz, or even Mphela.

Envious of the job Pardrew has done and NUFC will be seriously challengers to the big 4 in a couple of years.

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Sky Sources: Demba Ba's representatives do not expect him to join Chelsea after unproductive meeting & will now begin talks with other clubs

Read as Chelsea didnt offer me enough so I'm going to the media to leverage them into it

Tbf he is one of the leagues top strikers and available for a snip so he should be on good wages.

Demba will want all sorts of silly clauses in his contract and you'll also have to pay off his multiple advisors. He's perfect for Chelsea actually. Most of the team are money grabbers with no loyalty to anyone but themselves.

As soon as I read 'Falcao is declining' I knew what kind of people were discussing this. Embarrasing lack of any footballing knowledge and clearly never watched a single La Liga game this season.

As for Newcastle, finally we have ended Simpson's run in this team.....shocking defender. £5m for Debuchy and the French right back seems a good deal. Demba appears to be staying but I can't see it. He's shown his intentions or his agent has and wants to leave for the top 4. Can see Arsenal coming back in for him during the window. We will have our replacement lined up already and that would appear to be Loic Remy or Gameiro.

To be fair there's only 1 person going on about falcao.

Yeh I know John, the best striker in the world is slowly declining. Incredible really. Oh and Messi isn't that good because of his record against Chelsea and only scoring 2 goals in 2 CL finals. What's this thing about 91 goals in a calendar year again?

Demba Ba has been granted permission to speak to Chelsea about a switch to the European Champions after they activated his release clause - and has been withdrawn from Newcastle's squad to play Everton tonight

Debuchy is a great signing, one of the world's best RBs, at a bargain price. Why oh why haven't City / Arsenal gone for him?

Ba is now talking to Chelsea apparently, a good signing for them, and it allows Lukaku to stay on loan with us for the rest of the season.

We will see about debuchy, didn't look much cop defensively. I'm sure there's a reason no one else has gone in for him.

Will be an interesting second half of the season now anyway.

It will be interesting who Newcastle try and get in to replace Ba, Darren Bent maybe? I guess it all depends how much money they'll have to spend, they won't be getting what they deserve from the Ba deal.

I very much doubt an ex Mackem would be welcomed by Newcastle fans.

Liverpool fans might be forgiving if Gerrard being an Everton fan, Newcastle not so much. Anyway, why would he move from one sinking ship to another.

Because he's not getting a game on his current vessel? Though I'd not want Bent at Albion, so I doubt Newcastle fans would want him either.

To be honest I don't think Newcastle are in the position to be picky.

Have we not got any bloomin talent coming through from the North East...god it infuriates me...the passion for football up here and we have Taylor and Shola as the sole representatives...

Anyway...in a way Ba going is good...because every transfer window that clause was gonna cause an unsettling fog over the team.
There was talk that Cisse and Ba dont actually like each other anyway.

Cisse will be the main man now not stuck out wide......and looked delighted when he scored. Give him a run as the main striker now...

Williamson is the next one to be replaced....hes attrocious. And im still not happy with Santon at LB...a right footer...

With the money in football can any team be picky. He wouldn't be accepted and it would have a negative impact on the team.

The lack of young talent is a bit worrying for all clubs I think, my club Albion have a few youngsters but I doubt any of them will become England internationals.

It's especially worrying for you guys when Pardew says the kids aren't good enough when playing in the Europe League. He's clearly not impressed. What happened to Vukcic?

If Newcastle get Cabaye back fit, and Tiote back to his best, they'll be fine. Adding a replacement striker - maybe a loan from somewhere - might help take the pressure off of Ameobi and Cisse.

I've always been impressed with Sammy Ameobi, Nile Ranger and especially Vuckic. Surprised they haven't been given much game time over the years.

Vuckic has had so many injuries i think its stalled his progression. Nile Ranger is an utter (insert as appropriate) and Sammy...well we shall see.

Thought we were appaling last night after a bright start. Ameobi is a sub, Cisse is still stuck wide and Williamson is just shocking. Santon is an appaling defender, should be a winger at least. This season has turned into a nightmare, it's a relegation fight now and our first XI looks woeful. Since last year we've lost Ba (Chelsea), Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote (ACON) & S. Taylor from the line-up........core of the team ripped to shreds. God knows what Debuchy thought about last night.

Remy coming in would be great but anything more than £12m would be stupid. We need a new centre back urgently. More than worried about our prospects now.

Remy is a fantastic player, he could do what Cisse did last year and bang in a goal a game. He's got great pace, and his decision-making is pretty good for a striker. He can hang off the last man like Henry too. Great buy if you get him.

Don't know why your still sticking cisse out on the wing, he clearly is not up to it out there. Remy would be a great signing and with all the french talent you have already would be a pull factor for him. I think you need a cb and a lb like you said and the team doesn't look too bad then:

Cabaye Tiote/Anita
Ben Arfa Marveux Remy
Cisse

I think Marveux is an excellent little player who would suit the role in behind the striker well. Remy I believe is far better as a sort of LW/LF type, cutting in like Ben Arfa and having shots on goal.

Marveux has had his injury issues...but i think if he gets a run has shown he can make things happen.

John...i agree, Williamson and Santon are poor.

Cisse should never have been played on the wing full stop. Hes a goal poacher not a winger. Hopefully now his confidence will come back and he will score again.
I questioned Pardews tactics in that regard....

We need anoth centre back...but a tough physical one. Like Jaap Stam or Tony Adams..etc. Not skillful just a brute that noone likes playing against.

We just need to get everyone fit again....

Injuries do play a big part and you have had some key ones.

I know how much it can affect the team with Norwich losing Ruddy and Holt recently it can really affect a team's confidence and it has Newcastle's

Every team wants a Stam/Adams, they're so rare these days.

Hopefully there'll be some more news on the Remy front, otherwise it could be a long drawn-out month for you guys.