But why mention Trump in the headline?

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Hey, why not? Seems like some pretty spectacular property.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/29/national-trust-giants-causeway-golf-course

navyblueshorts wrote:

gaelgowfer wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

thedamned3putt wrote:is S_R not behaving in a faux-fended manner? no, he's just being the tiny-minded little pr!ck that he always is. new year, same old tw@t.

ban me, block the post. the number and frequency of useful posts that this forum gets has dwindled to such a paltry amount that i can't be arsed reading it any more. if the bilious n0bend that is S_R didn't post, there'd be virtually no traffic at all.

i can't be ar$ed any more, so i'm off to a forum where d!ckheads like S_R are put down very smartly like the waste of space that they are.

(yes, i read the guardian. no, i don't vote labour. it's part of my rounded view of the world. perhaps you might like to step outside of your self-infatuated bubble S_R and take a look for yourself)

Not the most constructive addition to any discussion .

Really? I thought it was quite an accurate description of s_r. Seems to me his utterly relentless "bilious" style of posting would be quite a turn-off to potential posters.

It may well be accurate (in 3putt's opinion) but it's hardly constructive is it (which was my point which, incidentally, you seem to have missed) and, to be honest, anyone who posts that they're flouncing off is pretty sad IMO.

I don't believe I did miss your point. You've certainly missed mine though. s_r's negative, name-calling, style of posting is a real turn-off and, as a moderator, perhaps the time is long overdue for you (and barragan) to address this rather than targetting a 'lost' poster.

Gael, I don't care for your mumsy, patronising, faux scottish, curmudgeonly and peevish style either, but as it's not breaking forum rules and I'm not that sad a person I wouldn't request that it be looked at. I'm sure the moderators would concur with that.
Variety, different styles and opinions are what makes this an interesting forum to be a part of,and if you start trying to get everyone to write in the way you want them to, then it's as fascist as a forum can be.
As for being negative and name calling, I think that's a case of the pot, kettle and black.

I have been saying it for a long time I respect the job moderators do but the golf board moderators do for whatever reason turn a blind eye to quite a lot of things they shouldnt IMO. Really makes this particular forum quite tedious at times.

Guns, The mods do a fine job on the golf board. You should see what they're like on the other sections.
Should someone step over the line by transgressing the forum rules, then they are dealt with. If they haven't it's a case of letting everyone get on with it.

gaelgowfer wrote:

JAS wrote:Gael I know perfectly well what you actually said. I just think that you're trying to invent a safety issue before you know if there is potentially one or not. Even if the design results in fairways being relatively close to the coastal path don't you think the designers would be smart enough to be as safety concious as possible with the routing?

Eh, no, I'm not dear JAS, dear JAS, dear JAS, I'm not! I've already admitted that I have no idea where the intended site will be. I merely stated that I hoped the course wouldn't be anywhere near 'striking' distance of an important tourist destination. Even if all walkers were made aware of the dangers, it doesn't make for a pleasant walking experience knowing you could get hit by a golf ball which, in certain sections of the pathway, could also result in throwing one over the cliff edge as well!

It doesn't matter how smart golf course archtects are; they cannot control the direction in which a ball is hit by a hacker and, dare I say, sometimes by good players as well.

Maybe TOC was'nt the best example but there are countless examples the world over of what could be described as potential safety issues deriving from a chopper on the tee unable to keep a ball from straying onto a main road, a railway, a hotel, a residential area, footpath etc etc.

Oh, so this makes it alright then to deliberately site the golf course next to the coastal pathway?

I'll avoid the temptation to split hairs but that wasn't quite what you "merely stated".

As for your last bit....what??? Who said anything about it being alright to deliberately site the course next to the coastal path.

You really are hard work sometimes Gael... Oh and I'm not your dear, there's nothing dear about me.

super_realist wrote:Guns, The mods do a fine job on the golf board. You should see what they're like on the other sections.
Should someone step over the line by transgressing the forum rules, then they are dealt with. If they haven't it's a case of letting everyone get on with it.

I think Navy and Barra do a fine job on here as well.

super_realist wrote:Guns, The mods do a fine job on the golf board. You should see what they're like on the other sections.
Should someone step over the line by transgressing the forum rules, then they are dealt with. If they haven't it's a case of letting everyone get on with it.

You would think so since you are pretty much given free reign to say what you want despite seemingly bigoted tendancies, repetitive tedious Bernard Manningesque humour and frequently provocative commentry.

I think some people just put up with you because scratch the apparently obtuse, uneducated surface you obviously do have a lot of golfing knowledge to contribute and even occasionly some rare wit. Shame it so often comes wrapped in such silly stuff.

... there's nothing dear about me..

Finally, we can agree on something. Now, can we move on ... please!

Exactly Jas, The whole issue of this site splitting into two a while back was because of differences in opinions of what moderators do. Now people are trying to go down that road again and only let people post if they do it in a style that they approve of. Hardly democratic.
I , my views and my style might not be everyone's cup of tea, but Gael might be surprised to learn that she isn't everyone's either, however I doubt she'd be asking the mods to do something about the way in which she posts which can be just as negative and provocative as mine.

The forum is perfectly fine as it is and is moderated in a manner which is absolutely fine for the vast majority of people.

super_realist wrote:Exactly Jas, The whole issue of this site splitting into two a while back was because of differences in opinions of what moderators do. Now people are trying to go down that road again and only let people post if they do it in a style that they approve of. Hardly democratic.
I , my views and my style might not be everyone's cup of tea, but Gael might be surprised to learn that she isn't everyone's either, however I doubt she'd be asking the mods to do something about the way in which she posts which can be just as negative and provocative as mine.

The forum is perfectly fine as it is and is moderated in a manner which is absolutely fine for the vast majority of people.

It's worrying how much we agree on today....people are going to think we are the new Maverick/Fader combo

Shotrock wrote:This could certainly be topic for endless debate ... how important is the setting and views to the overall attractiveness of the course? It's hard to play The Old Head, Pebble Beach or Cape Kidnappers and not be overwhelmed by the setting. And why fight it, especially if it's a "destination" course and trip? (BTW, I've always thought Old Head is the whipping boy for OK courses on great settings.)

Nothing at all wrong with a low-cut blouse if you have the goods.

Hope Monty doesn't read that Shotrock.

Super

You already owe me a round on trump, so is your knew bet for a second one?


As for the golf board moderation, it is great that we can get away with so much but it is only a matter of time before the posting styles of some members drive away posters, or stop new people joining. Removing some posts the moment a topic goes OT would be a start. There are only so many topics that can end up about Irish politics before this place becomes seriously dull.

Mac, as far as I can tell, only yourself, Gael and 3 putt have an issue. Considering Gael and you often wind people up the wrong way you can hardly cast holier than thou stones.
So it's incredibly arrogant of yourself to suggest that I am the only one potentially alienating people. After all, have you forgotten the poll which YOU conducted where you asked the forum whether you or I should leave. Guess who they voted to get rid of. Yes, it was YOU.

As for Irish politics, if they weren't so childish, sensitive and petty then they wouldn't require constant ridicule. Remember Inco claiming offence at the term "Luck of the Irish"? Come on, that's an open goal.

McLaren wrote:...Removing some posts the moment a topic goes OT would be a start...

I take your point Mac but I, for one, have no inclination to pro-actively moderate in such a way. The old 606 had many faults but the idea of boards being reactively moderated was not one of them. If you don't like a post, REPORT it. Doesn't mean we'll agree with your position but I'm not going to sit here (or anywhere else) and continually check every post to check if it's 'on' topic or contravenes some Forum rule.

"I think Navy and Barra do a fine job on here . . . ."

Completely agree, we're very fortunate.

I remember the old BBC 606 boards and their moderation was so frustratingly anal I just couldn't be ar5ed posting most of the time.

I think on an internet forum you have to accept a degree of diversity of opinion, differing personalities and a level of banter which you may not always be comfortable. If everybody thought the same and believed the same then there would be NO debate to be had.

Seems to me most of the professionally offended like to take a pop at Super's posting style. I'm gobsmacked so many can't see the tongue in cheek nature in them. Quite frankly Super's posts (and the overreaction to them) are some of the most amusing things on here. IMHO Censorship and post removal is not the way to go.

Of course there is a line that shouldn't be crossed and that line is clearly not drawn in the same place for everybody which of course makes Navy and Barra's job so much more difficult. I've got to be honest both of you do do a great job. I've only really had cause to complain once about the way a line of posting was going (it was getting disturbingly personal) and it was very well dealt with.

I hear that parts of Trump International course has been washed away.


Will HE now just walk away ! Or does HE not do walking away ?

JAS wrote:I remember the old BBC 606 boards and their moderation was so frustratingly anal I just couldn't be ar5ed posting most of the time.

I think on an internet forum you have to accept a degree of diversity of opinion, differing personalities and a level of banter which you may not always be comfortable. If everybody thought the same and believed the same then there would be NO debate to be had.

Seems to me most of the professionally offended like to take a pop at Super's posting style. I'm gobsmacked so many can't see the tongue in cheek nature in them. Quite frankly Super's posts (and the overreaction to them) are some of the most amusing things on here. IMHO Censorship and post removal is not the way to go.

Of course there is a line that shouldn't be crossed and that line is clearly not drawn in the same place for everybody which of course makes Navy and Barra's job so much more difficult. I've got to be honest both of you do do a great job. I've only really had cause to complain once about the way a line of posting was going (it was getting disturbingly personal) and it was very well dealt with.

Too many trolls on the golf boards. Ruins it for people who want to talk about golf. Lets face it over half the nonsense posted here has nothing to do with golf. Very frustrating and quite boring.

I don't think there are any trolls at all, just people with strong opinions and those determined to take offence.

GunsGerms wrote:

JAS wrote:I remember the old BBC 606 boards and their moderation was so frustratingly anal I just couldn't be ar5ed posting most of the time.

I think on an internet forum you have to accept a degree of diversity of opinion, differing personalities and a level of banter which you may not always be comfortable. If everybody thought the same and believed the same then there would be NO debate to be had.

Seems to me most of the professionally offended like to take a pop at Super's posting style. I'm gobsmacked so many can't see the tongue in cheek nature in them. Quite frankly Super's posts (and the overreaction to them) are some of the most amusing things on here. IMHO Censorship and post removal is not the way to go.

Of course there is a line that shouldn't be crossed and that line is clearly not drawn in the same place for everybody which of course makes Navy and Barra's job so much more difficult. I've got to be honest both of you do do a great job. I've only really had cause to complain once about the way a line of posting was going (it was getting disturbingly personal) and it was very well dealt with.

Too many trolls on the golf boards. Ruins it for people who want to talk about golf. Lets face it over half the nonsense posted here has nothing to do with golf. Very frustrating and quite boring.

Are you suggesting that the post I made that you've quoted marks me out as a troll??

There is a certain amount of mis-understanding as a by product of the written word being the medium of communication (for example I personally didn't read GG post as suggesting JAS being a troll although JAS's question back implies that there is another way of reading it that I didn't see).

I think there is genuine offence taken to some things and "fauxfence" (a term I quite like and am going to adapt). Similarly, the cause of such is split is between opinion and fauxpinion (told you!). To me the line between fauxpinion/fauxfence and troll is the problem as it depends on idividual interpretation and we're all different. There are "trolls" around, but I don't think we get that many here that often fortunately.

In the times with little golf related banter the ticking over of the board kind of relies on a little mis-understanding and opinion loggerhead (fortunately or unfortunately) to entertain us otherwise I doubt many of us (and there are few enough already) would bother reading.

GunsGerms wrote:Too many trolls on the golf boards. Ruins it for people who want to talk about golf. Lets face it over half the nonsense posted here has nothing to do with golf. Very frustrating and quite boring.

Feel free to post/initiate discussion on golfing matters if it's of concern to you. Won't? Can't? Either way, it's a pretty cheap shot to moan about something but not contribute overly much to the topic you profess to want...IMO.

navyblueshorts wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Too many trolls on the golf boards. Ruins it for people who want to talk about golf. Lets face it over half the nonsense posted here has nothing to do with golf. Very frustrating and quite boring.

Feel free to post/initiate discussion on golfing matters if it's of concern to you. Won't? Can't? Either way, it's a pretty cheap shot to moan about something but not contribute overly much to the topic you profess to want...IMO.

I already have contributed plenty on topic discussion to this thread until it went off topic as such threads on the golf forum invariably do.

So some conversations can meander a bit...what's the big deal? It's a discussion forum for heavens sake!!! What do you you want? An on-topic Gestapo sat waiting to pounce on anyone who strays off the topic fairway??

JAS wrote:So some conversations can meander a bit...what's the big deal? It's a discussion forum for heavens sake!!! What do you you want? An on-topic Gestapo sat waiting to pounce on anyone who strays off the topic fairway??

Its not just off topic discussion that the problem is the exact same repetitive off topic discussions that bore me. Feel free to read my previous comments on this thread for a better understanding of where Im coming from if you wish. Cant be bothered repeating myself.

Guns....feel free to lighten up a bit, I see plenty on the forums that doesn't exactly amuse me but I tend not to go whining about every post I don't like and start labelling the perpetrators Trolls.
I'd suggest its human nature that when somebody flags up that they don't like something, others pile in with double helpings of whatever it is that the complainer doesn't like. Just saying

Don't know about you JAS, but I'm getting bored of people repeatedly complaining of topics repeatedly going off topic.

Aye I know Super....at the risk of being an off topic ist... Did you have a chortle at one of Tigers drives this morning. The viewing public weren't that far off getting to see what many cocktail waitresses already have :-o