Later Development

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I know there is a thread about the young up and coming players and a lot has been made of the weakness of the new crop of players coming through. Now a few months ago I remember saying players today develop later and I was shouted down for it or at least criticised but I stand by it. As I watched the Brisbane International Final yesterday the ex-pro Australian commentator made the same statement with regards Dimitrov. Basically, nowadays we all know the game is a far more physical and physique-based game and you need those attributes as well as the tennis talent to compete at the highest levels. Now unless the likes of Dimitrov, Tomic, Raonic etc were muscle-building and working on their physique from a very early age (which clearly they weren't) then they will find it hard to make inroads against supreme physical specimens that rule the game just now such as Nadal, Djokovic, Federer and Murray. The youngsters have the talent but in my opinion they have yet to develop other aspects of their game such as their physicality and physique and that takes a good year or so. As for future generations it may differ - if the top players of today rule the roost for another five or so years with no further players coming through to break their monopoly then when they have retired the sport may well see lesser physique-based players come through again to take up the mantle. Just a theory of mines and feel free to give your views.

hawkeye wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Yeah, but I see the same from as many Nadal fans as Fed fans, and (to a lesser extent) Djoko fans. Why do Nadal fans have constant excuse making? Why the insecurity? I don't get it either. It's like being 13 years old and wanting Justin Bieber to be No 1 in the charts.

Pftt! Who are you calling Justin Beiber?

Hug my nuts HE

JuliusHMarx wrote: Why do Nadal fans have constant excuse making?

Absoltely not.
The day Rosol lost I actually came on here to congratulate Rosol and his fans on this website.
You win beacause you deserve to win, if you come out on court injured then that's your problem. I've said this before too

And wasn't it a certain Federer fan who said that every single Grand Slam loss he has experienced in the last 6 years was due to either injury/fatigue. He even went through each loss to clarify which of the two it was.

But as usual, just pick solely on the Nadal fans Julius, why change the norm?

I'm going to report your post legendkillar othewise you will just continue to be an imbecile

I shall report your post for the insult HE. Un-called for.

You could've just said no.

It Must Be Love wrote:But as usual, just pick solely on the Nadal fans Julius, why change the norm?

So by agreeing with CC about Fed fans, I'm solely picking on Nadal fans
It's precisely that sort of insecurity that CC and I were both highlighting.

LK, HE, calm it down.

LK, no more calls for nut-hugging please. I'm sure everyone who wants to will have done it by now.

Will you do it?

How do you know I already haven't?

Because of the lack of warmth

The nut-hugging fetish is no behind me.

JuliusHMarx wrote:
It's precisely that sort of insecurity that CC and I were both highlighting.

CC was talking about making excuses for defeats.

You were just continuing your agenda.

My mistake. No Rafa fan has ever made an excuse for any of his defeats.

Please eExplain how agreeing with CC about Fed fans means that I'm solely picking on Nadal fans?

legendkillarV2 wrote:Because of the lack of warmth

The nut-hugging fetish is no behind me.

I hope you missed out a 'w' and not a 't'

HM Murdoch wrote:So ultimately it's irrelevant if, hypothetically, Andy had to work three times as hard as Nalbandian in order to be twice as good. The end result is that he is twice as good.

I think talent debates are all good and fun but I find it puzzling why many posters get quite emotional defending talent of their favorite player. In the end, what does it matter if the player gets where they are via talent or via perseverence or hard work? If anything, everything else being equal, I prefer the less talented and harder working player. Even though, in the end, I am more interested in the final product and do not care too much if they get there through talent or work.