Sorry for bringing this up again but.....

this puts it all in perspective.

http://www.rugby365.com/article/51448-england-repatriates-retired-sa-flank

Maybe he can sell his white England rugby jersey to fund the ticket home

not exactly England's finest hour.... either capping him or sending him home.

There's a thread on this over in the club section
https://www.606v2.com/t39121-hendre-fourie-facing-deportation#1768489

I'll leave the thread here as a marker for a bit and merge later.

Sorry, missed that one

It does make a bit of a joke about being able to represent a country, that you can't vote for and don't have citizen ship or residency.

Biltong wrote:It does make a bit of a joke about being able to represent a country, that you can't vote for and don't have citizen ship or residency.

Is this where I point out that I have lived in England for over 6 years, have been allowed to vote (there's a dispensation for Commonwealth/Irish residents in the UK) for most of that time, and, having been granted Residency, no longer have any pesky conditions about not being allowed to play professional sport on my visa? Anyone got Steve Lancaster's phone number?

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Biltong wrote:It does make a bit of a joke about being able to represent a country, that you can't vote for and don't have citizen ship or residency.

Is this where I point out that I have lived in England for over 6 years, have been allowed to vote (there's a dispensation for Commonwealth/Irish residents in the UK) for most of that time, and, having been granted Residency, no longer have any pesky conditions about not being allowed to play professional sport on my visa? Anyone got Steve Lancaster's phone number?

Good on you kiwi. you can now wear the balck jersey of England.

OK, sometimes it is purple as well.

fa0019 wrote:not exactly England's finest hour.... either capping him or sending him home.

Sorry, what has this got to do with England??????? This is UNITED KINGDOM law, England have no part in this. Can we stop the England bashing on this one and replace it with the UK is bad bashing. Thank you.

I think it's actually British Law not UK

RubyGuby wrote:I think it's actually British Law not UK

Isnt that the same thing?

NO! English Law would be the same thing

Effervescing Elephant

Get that massive chip off your shoulder mate.

You're technically right, it is British law. But first, he was capped contraversially by England (not the UK) and second, England is the dominant country in the UK with 85% of the pop.... please tell me, how many Coalition MPs are representatives of Wales, Scotland & NI?

The answer 23 out of 117. Please don't try and argue that England are not only the dominant force in UK law and politics but also what they and their electorate want, they generally get. Tell me, did Scotland & Wales volunteer to join the UK all those years ago when the union was formed??? The landowners perhaps (who were anglo's) but not the people.

I don't want to turn this into a England vs. the rest of the UK debate but you seemed to have done so. Man up.

No it's United Kingdom law. That's why it's called the United Kingdom Border Agency not the British Border Agency.

yawn

fa0019 wrote:Effervescing Elephant

Get that massive chip off your shoulder mate.

You're technically right, it is British law. But first, he was capped contraversially by England (not the UK) and second, England is the dominant country in the UK with 85% of the pop.... please tell me, how many Coalition MPs are representatives of Wales, Scotland & NI?

The answer 23 out of 117. Please don't try and argue that England are not only the dominant force in UK law and politics but also what they and their electorate want, they generally get. Tell me, did Scotland & Wales volunteer to join the UK all those years ago when the union was formed??? The landowners perhaps (who were anglo's) but not the people.

I don't want to turn this into a England vs. the rest of the UK debate but you seemed to have done so. Man up.

Jesus fella, i think the chip resides firmly on your shoulder. Calm yourself mate you'll hurt you finger tips with all that keyboard mashing. Read the news as well, he;s never even been within a sniff of being deported.

fa0019 wrote:yawn

Nice response, you're a credit to your education.

That would be British Education

bAHAHAHAHAHA!

Effervescing Elephant

Probably right, given I graduated from a couple of esteemed English universities.

Effervescing Elephant wrote:bAHAHAHAHAHA!

How radically different are the two...and indeed does Northern Ireland strictly follow British Law or does it have variants from the Republic's laws aswell?

fa0019 wrote:Effervescing Elephant

Get that massive chip off your shoulder mate.

You're technically right, it is British law. But first, he was capped contraversially by England (not the UK) and second, England is the dominant country in the UK with 85% of the pop.... please tell me, how many Coalition MPs are representatives of Wales, Scotland & NI?

The answer 23 out of 117. Please don't try and argue that England are not only the dominant force in UK law and politics but also what they and their electorate want, they generally get. Tell me, did Scotland & Wales volunteer to join the UK all those years ago when the union was formed??? The landowners perhaps (who were anglo's) but not the people.

I don't want to turn this into a England vs. the rest of the UK debate but you seemed to have done so. Man up.

Wow, there's an angry young man

fa0019 wrote:Effervescing Elephant

Probably right, given I graduated from a couple of esteemed English universities.

You obviously have a very deep seated dislike for England, that's your right and i'm not going to try to tell you that everything here is rosey and that you are wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and all that. Going to back out of this one before it escalates into the 'your country killed more orphans than mine'.

Peace out.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Sorry if i come across as ignorant or indeed just plain thick here..:

If British Law (probably majoritly from English Law) cover, England Scotland and Wales...and Northern Ireland...

does Uk Law include the Republic aswell?

How radically different are the two...and indeed does Northern Ireland strictly follow British Law or does it have variants from the Republic aswell?

(Republic of)Ireland is a sovereign independent state.

NI is part of the UK but like Scotland and Wales has its own devolved institutions where we have powers to debate things like putting flags up and down and other such important things.....

thanks Rodders...

No problem

fa0019 wrote:Effervescing Elephant

Get that massive chip off your shoulder mate.

You're technically right, it is British law. But first, he was capped contraversially by England (not the UK) and second, England is the dominant country in the UK with 85% of the pop.... please tell me, how many Coalition MPs are representatives of Wales, Scotland & NI?

The answer 23 out of 117. Please don't try and argue that England are not only the dominant force in UK law and politics but also what they and their electorate want, they generally get. Tell me, did Scotland & Wales volunteer to join the UK all those years ago when the union was formed??? The landowners perhaps (who were anglo's) but not the people.

I don't want to turn this into a England vs. the rest of the UK debate but you seemed to have done so. Man up.

I agree regarding England calling up Fourie. I actually think he was an excellent player who was good enough to be capped, and I think he'd put in the effort and showed enough commitment. But IF, and it seems it might not be the case anyway, he could represent England and still be deported, I think it's a mistake to cap him. I know the UKBA and RFU are institutions that don't have to cooperate in this regard, but I think it's wrong for the RFU to say \we're proud to cap you' and the UKBA to say 'But we want you out once you're no use to us'. Hopefully, at it seems, this isn't the case.

On the rest of your point regarding the English electorate normally getting what they want and the Act of Union, i think you're almost entirely wrong. Maybe a debate for another time and place, or via a PM?