Divisional Round Weekend Discussion Thread!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

So the wildcard weekend was quite frankly crap, but the divisional shapes up to be a little humdinger!

Firstly we have the two AFC games with the same 4 teams returning to this stage as did in 2011/12!

Baltimore travel to Denver in what I think could be a potential banana skin for the Denver. Everything points towards a Denver win quite easily, but I quite fancy Baltimore to make this a close contest and actually nick the game. Look for Ray Rice to bounce back with a big game.

The Texans travel to Foxboro to take on the Patriots in what promises to be a very tense matchup. I am obviously as a New England fan gonna pick my Pats, but I think Houston could put up a good fight in this game! All depends on if Matt Schaub can find any sort of form, if he can they have a legit shot, if he plays like he did against Cincy then Houston are heading home in my opinion.

Then the NFC which has the better of the matchups I think!

Seattle travel to Atlanta in a real close matchup! I like the Falcons to take this one, not because they are infinately better, because I think both teams are quite even teams, but purely because in my opinion this is a game Atlanta just HAS to win. If they lose the media will be so smug, I will find it funny! But on a serious note this is one Atlanta has to have, and with the homefield advantage I fancy them to just edge it

In the matchup of the week Green Bay travel to Candlestick to take on San Francisco in a game which should make you fall in love with football all over again. Key to the matchup for me is whether Green Bay can protect Aaron Rodgers. If they can I can't see the Niners hanging with Green Bay's offence. And on that note it is paramount that San Fran get Justin Smith back. Aldon Smith has looked lost without him, and if he isn't back I like Green Bay's chances of protecting Rodgers

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:12 pm

seahawks got mopre whins than raiders and eagles combined soooo........

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:12 pm

They also will appear in as many NFCCGs as the two combined

by sodhat Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:15 pm

cherriesfna wrote:seahawks got mopre whins than raiders and eagles combined soooo........

How many Super Bowls have the Seahawks won?

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:17 pm

sodhat wrote:
cherriesfna wrote:seahawks got mopre whins than raiders and eagles combined soooo........

How many Super Bowls have the Seahawks won?

thats not important its about the present not the past

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:18 pm

And presently, all 3 teams are eliminated

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:24 pm

but only 1 team is bordering elitness

by sodhat Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:27 pm

I don't get where the line is to be classed as elite. I think the only way to back up that kind of adjective is to have actually won something, which the Seahawks failed to do this year. They didn't even win their division, and they beat a one legged QB in the playoffs.

Seattle are a good side and Wilson looks like he can lead the offence, but it seems like a lot of the franchise is all mouth and no trousers, so to speak.

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:27 pm

I think we're a QB away before we can say that for definite Cherries, but heres hoping.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:28 pm

Yeah the Rams are only a couple pieces away Cherries

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:28 pm

And yeah, Seattles big achievement this year was beating a 1 legged RG3. They remind me of the Jets if I'm honest. Lots of talk landing themselves in the media, but not that much behind it.

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:31 pm

hey at leasstw ere in the media, weve been ignored for years by the media but they are only starting to releaze the rise of the beast in the pacific north west
go hawks

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:33 pm

The Eagles are a NFC East team. We're always in the media, so that argument doesn't work at all.

by **Derbyblue** Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:34 pm

In reality the Redskins beat themselves (well Shanahan beat himself), won't deny that the Seahawks have a pretty good D but your O is far from elite.

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:34 pm

the arguement is not matter how crap the eagles are veryone talks about them, even when seattle is beasting it no one talks about tehm, people like optimus gets us media attention

by Number-25 Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:34 pm

Is "eliteness" a word??

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:36 pm

We're a little far gone to start picking up Cherries on English matters #25 Laugh

We're taking your DC Whistle

by Number-25 Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:41 pm

By the way, Wilson was nothing until the Seahawks started copying what RG3 was doing. Better get used to it Cherries -where RG3 leads, Wilson will follow. That will be the natural order of things for the next decade or so.

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:45 pm

Number-25 wrote:

By the way, Wilson was nothing until the Seahawks started copying what RG3 was doing. Better get used to it Cherries -where RG3 leads, Wilson will follow. That will be the natural order of things for the next decade or so.

RG3 is gone he wont recover wilson can throw better and is a more sensible runner wilson will have twice the carear of griffin

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:46 pm

Wilson is primed for a back to earth campaign

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:47 pm

GSC wrote:Wilson is primed for a back to earth campaign

hawks will go 12-4 mimimum next year , watch

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:47 pm

I do like the look of Wilson and he seems to be quite mature.

RG3 has the better skill set easily tho

by sodhat Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:55 pm

cherriesfna wrote:
GSC wrote:Wilson is primed for a back to earth campaign

hawks will go 12-4 mimimum next year , watch

Not sure, you're playing the AFC and NFC South as well as an improved NFC West. Texans, 49ers, Saints, Falcons (who beat you yesterday, did you see that?) won't be gimmes. Add the Colts too. Tricky schedule.

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:59 pm

sodhat wrote:
cherriesfna wrote:
GSC wrote:Wilson is primed for a back to earth campaign

hawks will go 12-4 mimimum next year , watch

Not sure, you're playing the AFC and NFC South as well as an improved NFC West. Texans, 49ers, Saints, Falcons (who beat you yesterday, did you see that?) won't be gimmes. Add the Colts too. Tricky schedule.

Rams WL
Cards WW
9ers WL
Vikings W
Giants W
Sinats W
Falcons L
Bucs W
Panthers W
Jags W
Colts W
Titans W
Texans L

12-4

by Number-25 Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:32 pm

cherriesfna wrote:
Number-25 wrote:

By the way, Wilson was nothing until the Seahawks started copying what RG3 was doing. Better get used to it Cherries -where RG3 leads, Wilson will follow. That will be the natural order of things for the next decade or so.

RG3 is gone he wont recover wilson can throw better and is a more sensible runner wilson will have twice the carear of griffin

Problem with that Cherries is that it doesn't matter what meaningful measurable you look at from this season, Griffin tops Wilson in all of them. Completion percentage, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, TD:INT ratio, sacks taken - Robert Griffin III beats Wilson in all of them. Like I say, where Robert Griffin III leads, Russell Wilson follows.

Here's an interesting stat for you - of the top 29 QBs in the league ranked in terms of total passing yards, Russell Wilson had the fewest number of passing attempts per game. In other words, no QB was asked to do less for his team than Wilson.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:38 pm

You got a link to that stat Number-25? I'd like to read up where Brady is in that lol

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:41 pm

Wilson more touchdowns and more of a mature player

by **Derbyblue** Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:44 pm

@tomecurran
BB on Woodhead: "Danny was on sideline for remainder of game. Had we needed to use him, he would have been able to go back in there."

by mikeygnfl Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:01 pm

Russell Wilson is also not injured and his career probably won't be over in the next couple of years.

by Colan (niner) Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:15 pm

cherriesfna wrote:people hate whats good

Sherman elite corner
Wilson OROTY
Lynch 2nd best back in the league
Wagner DROTY
Pete carroll COTY
and we have the best young team in the league

hawks are building a dynasty and people are getting scared

Sorry but most of that is wrong. Lynch is not the second best back in the league imo, his fumbles have happened too much in the playoffs, give me a fully fit McCoy or Foster over him any day. Sherman is not an elite corner, he is good but Revis is what you call elite. Carroll lol, he made some very rookie mistakes last night. I'd say Frazier, Arians/Pagano etc deserve it much more. Depends on what you count as a young team, average age of 49ers offense is under 27 years old and of the D only Justin Smith is at an advanced age. I like Wilson but the offense is still made for him so that he can thrive, that can't be sustained once teams figure him out. People have the wrong idea even about Kap after the game the other night, that is the most he has run in the NFL so far and he has actually been a good pocket passer at times. I'll reserve judgement on Wilson until I see him do that consistently. Wilson isn't the recipe for long term success in the NFL, never know, maybe Harbaugh would consider swapping Alex Smith for him. I'd like to have Wilson as Kap's backup over Tolzien. Not much in it though. Agree that anyone would take Luck or RG3 over Wilson. Lets even bring Kap into the discussion. They are all bigger, faster, have stronger arms and don't need to have a gimmicky offense quite so much. I realise you are a WUM but wannabe please, there are no dynasties in the NFL at all right now. All I can say is that I'm happy to be a 49ers fna

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:18 pm

I do have to say that for Wagner to come in as a 2nd round pick and run a defence which has been good is very impressive. Him, Kuechly and Hayward (spelling) for DROTY for me

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:25 pm

I wasn't as impressed by Kuechley as others tbh. Seemed to accumulate quite a lot of tackles down the field.

Harrison Smith for me. Has set the tone for a physical Min secondary that has done a complete 180 this season.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:26 pm

Oh yeah he done well actually. Definately a lot better than Barron has done at Tampa

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:27 pm

Safety might be the most difficult position for a rookie to adapt to. If you blow your assignment theres nobody covering your ass. We see a few LBs adapt quickly to the NFL every year

by Number-25 Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:28 pm

Olly wrote:You got a link to that stat Number-25? I'd like to read up where Brady is in that lol

I'll be honest, there is no link, I just checked it out on NFL.com's player stat's page but Brady is at number 4 behind Stafford, Brees and Romo and just ahead of Luck and Ryan.

mikeygnfl wrote:Russell Wilson is also not injured and his career probably won't be over in the next couple of years.

Robert Griffin III's career probably won't be over in the next couple of years either mikey. Will his injury change the way he plays the game? Yeah, it probably will. Will it mean the end of his career? No, not unless something else unforseen happens. We saw enough from Griffin this year in terms of his accuracy, his football intelligence, his toughness and his arm strength to suggest he's more than capable of being a QB that sits in the pocket more. He can do it and has done it. His ability to run shouldn't be diminished by his injury and he will still be capable of being elusive in the pocket. It's just that it wouldn't be smart to have out of the pocket running downfield as much he did this season. Not smart at all!

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:30 pm

Griffin has some work to do mentally if hes going to become a pocket passer. That side of his game isn't that close atm.

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:31 pm

That said, so does Wilson. His pocket presence in particular. Seems to react like a hamster on caffeine at the slightest hint of pressure.

by Colan (niner) Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:33 pm

GSC wrote:That said, so does Wilson. His pocket presence in particular. Seems to react like a hamster on caffeine at the slightest hint of pressure.

Like a DeJuan Harris of quarterbacking really

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:33 pm

If Griffin is becoming a pocket passer not only is he going to have to adjust to that, but so is Morris in the backfield. Yes he ran very well this year but with the read option seemingly going (they would be stupid to put RG3 on deliberate run plays) it will be interesting to see how Morris does

by mikeygnfl Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:59 pm

Does RG3s agility give him time to pick out passes though. For me, he can hold onto the ball too long, take his movement away and he will have less time to pick out a pass.

I still think Griffin is a 'now' QB.

by BamBam Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:12 pm

Some serious sour grapes on this thread today

by crazy_dave23 Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:15 pm

cherriesfna wrote:Wilson is a top 10 nfl qb

GSC wrote:Matty Ice is a top 9 NFL QB

Is now a good time to open my keeper league debate of "Russel Wilson vs Matt Ryan" to the floor...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:16 pm

crazy_dave23 wrote:
cherriesfna wrote:Wilson is a top 10 nfl qb

GSC wrote:Matty Ice is a top 9 NFL QB

Is now a good time to open my keeper league debate of "Russel Wilson vs Matt Ryan" to the floor...

Can. Worms. Opened. Laugh

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:53 pm

http://fauxjohnmadden.lockerdome.com/articles/104818385

My god these facebook QB convos are brilliant Laugh

by GSC Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:54 pm

Tbh that one wasn't that great. The one a week earlier was much better imo.

by cherriesfna Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:25 pm

Dear all earlier today I said sum pretty bad thing
However after sum Xbox tonight I have finally gotten over last night and formally apologise for some of the stupid things I said

by Number-25 Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:31 pm

mikeygnfl wrote:Does RG3s agility give him time to pick out passes though. For me, he can hold onto the ball too long, take his movement away and he will have less time to pick out a pass.

I still think Griffin is a 'now' QB.

What's a "now" QB?

I don't buy that RG3 holds on to the ball too long. Amongst the things that he has been praised for this season are his decisiveness and quick release. A QB that held on to the ball too long would not be picked off just 5 times in 15 games. I think we're making too much of this "pocket passer" thing. The guy can zip a pass and he can throw it long. He's also smart and has a tremendous work ethic which will help with any learning he has to do. We're also talking here like he's going to be a cripple. Yeah, he'll need to be careful but he'll still be elusive enough to move around the pocket at least as well as any other QB and almost definitely better than most.

by Bull Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm

cherriesfna wrote:on the stat card he did, over 100 more yards and only threw a pick on a hail mary which dont really count

stats dont matter its weather you nut up or shut up during the game and the fact is you lost cherries accept it.

heck one team could play better another and still lose dont mean anything as they lost its weather you can out score your opponent is what matter's

by GSC Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:16 am

cherriesfna wrote:Dear all earlier today I said sum pretty bad thing
However after sum Xbox tonight I have finally gotten over last night and formally apologise for some of the stupid things I said

Its alright mate, heat of the moment and all that Hug

by debaters1 Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:36 pm

Re RGIII and how he'll be post injury if he can't run the way he did before it happened. And how the rest of his (and any QB's required skill set holds up)

People are forgetting he is a) a rookie which means he has time to learn and b) injury is an opportunity to LEARN. For the next few weeks he'll have nothing but time on his hands to watch video and rewatch his and other games and learn. Read his defence. See how they try to get to a QB like him and QBs not like him. Then when it comes time to practice, he can use his injury to good effect in that he won't be able to or allowed to run and move in the pocket, so that'll force him to use the ball in other ways.

Fark it, he can play a 12 man D with a 10 man O minus his running game in pratcice and see how he gets on. He is not the finished player. That is what makes him such a good prospect. No QB, not Manning or Brady or Dan the Man were at their best in their 2nd & 3rd seasons, never mind their Rookie year.

And because he is young, he could well come back just as good on his legs when fully healed and fit. look at Wes Welker. blew out his ACL and is as good right now as he ever was.

Looking forward to the Conference games. Go Patriots!

by debaters1 Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:53 pm

Also Cherries, good hustle on holding your hands up. The internet + strong emotions rarely equate to balanced assessment & rationale expression. You're not alone in that failing.

Besides, smack talk on boards is what makes us hurler's in the ditch (that's an Irish sporting expression, arm chair coach or player) what we are; we know EVERTHING! Even when we don't. Wink

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