England U20 vs. FranceU20's

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15 Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors)
14 Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)
13 Mark Jennings (Sale Sharks)
12 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)
11 Jack Arnott (Exeter Chiefs)
10 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
9 Alex Day (Northampton Saints)

1 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
2 Nathan Morris (London Wasps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Elliott Stooke (Gloucester Rugby)
5 Dom Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
6 Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers)
7 Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs)
8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (c)

Replacements
16 Danny Herriott (Northampton Saints)
17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints)
18 Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
19 Tom Jubb (Saracens)
20 David Sisi (London Irish)
21 Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby)
22 Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby)
23 Tom Stephenson (Northampton Saints)

French Team:

15. Wieprecht (Clermont); 14. Lacroix (Albi), 13. Fickou (Toulouse), 12. Dussartre (Racing), 11. Parez (Racing); 10. Mallet (Stade français), 9. Serin (Bordeaux); 7. Camara (Massy), 8. Tauleigne (Bourgoin), 6. Babillot (Castres); 5. Jedraziak (cap., Clermont), 4. Bastien (Agen); 3. Cotet (Perpignan), 2. Ruffenach (Biarritz), 1. Baille (Toulouse).

Remplaçants: 16. Hollet (Perpignan), 17. Custoja (Perpignan), 18. Vartanov (Racing), 19. Cros (Toulouse), 20. Domenech (Narbonne), 21. Vialelle (Castres), 22. Le Bourhis (La Rochelle), 23. Singer (Clermont).


Loosehead Prop:

Luke Cowan-Dickie (6ft 0in & 17st 4lb) 19 (Exeter Chiefs)
Alec Hepburn (6ft 1in & 15st 12lb) 19 (Wasps)

Tighthead Prop:

Kyle Sinckler (6ft 0in & 18st 12lb) 19 (Harlequins)
Scott Wilson (6ft 2in * 18st 10lb) 18 (Newcastle Falcons)

Hooker

Max Crumpton (5ft 11in & 15st 10lb) 19 (Saracens)
Nathan Morris (6ft 0in & 17st 2lb) 19 (Wasps)
Scott Spurling (5ft 10in & 15st 10lb) 19 (Saracens)

Second Row:

Dominic Barrow (6ft 6in & 17st 11lb) 19 (Leeds Carnegie)
Tom Jubb (6ft 6in & 15st 8lb) 19 (Saracens)
Tom Price (6ft 9in & 16st 5lb) 19 (Leicester)
Elliott Stooke (6ft 7in & 18st 1lb) 19 (Gloucester)
Harry Wells (6ft 5in & 17st 4lb) 19 (Leicester)

Blindside Flanker

Ross Moriaty (6ft 3in & 15st 3lb) 18 (Gloucester)

Openside Flanker

Matt Hankin (6ft 0in & 14st 2lb) 19 (Saracens)

No 8:

Jack Clifford (6ft 4in & 15st 10lb) 19 (Harlequins)
David Sisi (6ft 4in & 18st 12lb) 19 (London Irish)

Scrum Half

Calum Braley (5ft 11in & 13st 0lb) 18 (Bristol)
Alex Day (6ft 0in & 13st 9lb) 19 (Northampton)
Nathan Fowles (5ft 10in & 14st 0lb) 19 (Sale)

Flyhalf

Henry Slade (6ft 3in & 13st 7lb) 19 (Exeter)
Ollie Devoto (6ft 0in & 15st 1lb) 19 (Bath)
Will Hooley (5ft 12in & 11st 11lb) 19 (Northampton)

Inside Centre

Sam Hill (6ft 0in & 15st 10lb) 19 (Exeter Chiefs)
Tom Stephenson (6ft 1in & 14st 11lb) (Northampton)

Outside Centre

Mark Jennings (6ft 0in & 14st 6lb) 19 (Sale Sharks)
Harry Sloan

Winger

Jack Arnott (5ft 11in & 11st 4lb) 19 (Exeter)
Ben Howard (6ft 5in & 14st 13lb) 19 (Worcester)
Henry Purdy

Fullback

Tom Collins (5ft 11 & 12st 8lb) 18 (Northampton)
Jack Nowell (5ft 11in & 14st 0lb) 19 (Exeter)
Anthony Watson (6ft 2in & 13st 5lb) 18 (London Irish)

England v Scotland, live on Sky Sports HD
Date: Friday, February 1
Venue: Plymouth Albion RFC
Kick-off: 17:45

Ireland v England
Date: Friday, February 8
Venue: Dubarry Park, Athlone
Kick-off: 18:35

England v France, live on RFU.com
Date: Saturday, February 23
Venue: Sixways, Worcester
Kick-off: 15:00

England v Italy, live Sky Sports HD
Date: Friday, March 8
Venue: Franklin’s Gardens, Northampton
Kick-off: 20:05

Wales v England
Date: Friday, March 15
Venue: Parc Eirias, Colwyn Bay
Kick-off: 19:30

Ireland win. however it couldnt have been closer and England were a player down for the majority of the game

Wow what a HUGE win for this team. Well done lads. This shows we have a bit of dept now in the 20s giving the amount of injuries we had.

Henshaw showed a lot of class in the build up to the try. Also happy with Daly. Cant wait till he's in the academy.

How did England managed to blow that! They annihilated Ireland at the breakdown and in the scrums. Ireland scored a late try when they'd a 2 man advantage. I must say, its not the greatest Ireland U20 team I've ever seen.

Doesn't seem to be any shame in that loss, well done Ireland. I'd have liked to have seen the game. Oh well.

How were the scrums? Specifically Sinckler?

If the scrum went as well as described it is good considering the strange line up of players brought (Two hookers on the bench an a Loosehead playing hooker).

Well they were dominating the Irish scrum anyway but not sure how much that says.

Golden wrote:Well they were dominating the Irish scrum anyway but not sure how much that says.

They were dominating until the end but then Ireland were on top at the end.

Im no scrum expert but it looked to me like the english props were just driving straight up. I dont know maybe Im wrong.

Ireland's scrum looked in bad shape last week too. Perhaps you should be worried about the lack of TH's, hookers at the provinces with there also being a lack of coming through the academies (or so it seems).

Anyway, fantastic victory for the U20s. Well done Ireland.

http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/175728.html

Ross Moriarty (Eng) s/o in 22nd min. Dunno why.

greytiger wrote:http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/175728.html

Ross Moriarty (Eng) s/o in 22nd min. Dunno why.

If you didn't watch this game then scroll up and you'll find out why.

greytiger wrote:http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/175728.html

Ross Moriarty (Eng) s/o in 22nd min. Dunno why.

It was a definate red and credit to the ref for not backing out like most refs do. The ref had a good game imo.

Sounds like England under 20s did well playing for so long with a man down. Anyone see how the English winger Purdy got on? I've heard good things about him and he's already made his Tigers debut in the LV Cup.

Moriarty should get a long ban for the textbook spear tackle. Henessey was poor - the AR flagged a trip by the English No.8 and the ref. said maybe it was 6 rather than 8 so "didn't get a number" - except he had sent the English 6 off in the first half!

Two poor teams with no more than one or two on each side with Test potential.

If you haven't seen the spear tackle, I'll post the video below. Poor game littered with handling errors and some poor decisions. England deserved to win in all honesty, re the spear tackle I think he had to go and I imagine someone would find it hard to justify him staying on.

Spoiler:

ouch that is a nasty tackle- deserved to be sent off

No problem with that in any possible way. Stupid bugger.

I was just ignorant of the reason.

However, disregarding the iniquity a moment, A single point loss (away) with a man down for ¾ of the game somehow ameliorates the disappointment.

England deserved to win, and they should have won, no one would dispute that, they just got a bit stretched when down to 13.

Yeah that's a bad one, he'll get a lengthy ban for it.

Yep, lengthy ban, the guilt of costing his team the match and a lesson he should learn for the future.

That is a definite red card. The ban should be measured in months.

Terrible tackle. His Welsh international father won't be proud of that.

gelodge wrote:Terrible tackle. His Welsh international father won't be proud of that.

From what I remember of the Moriarty clan his Dad will be chuffed to bits!

Taffineastbourne wrote:

gelodge wrote:Terrible tackle. His Welsh international father won't be proud of that.

From what I remember of the Moriarty clan his Dad will be chuffed to bits!

Wasn't his great grandfather Sherlock Holmes' arch enemy?

The Great Aukster wrote:

Taffineastbourne wrote:

gelodge wrote:Terrible tackle. His Welsh international father won't be proud of that.

From what I remember of the Moriarty clan his Dad will be chuffed to bits!

Wasn't his great grandfather Sherlock Holmes' arch enemy?

He was his nasty brother

So what sort of ban did Moriarty get?

7 weeks I think

Thanks DOD

Just found it.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2013/0213/1224330000351.html

Team to face France:

15 Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors)
14 Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)
13 Mark Jennings (Sale Sharks)
12 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)
11 Jack Arnott (Exeter Chiefs)
10 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
9 Alex Day (Northampton Saints)

1 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
2 Nathan Morris (London Wasps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Elliott Stooke (Gloucester Rugby)
5 Dom Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
6 Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers)
7 Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs)
8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (c)

Replacements
16 Danny Herriott (Northampton Saints)
17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints)
18 Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
19 Tom Jubb (Saracens)
20 David Sisi (London Irish)
21 Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby)
22 Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby)
23 Tom Stephenson (Northampton Saints)

The Great Aukster wrote:

Taffineastbourne wrote:

gelodge wrote:Terrible tackle. His Welsh international father won't be proud of that.

From what I remember of the Moriarty clan his Dad will be chuffed to bits!

Wasn't his great grandfather Sherlock Holmes' arch enemy?

Moriarty played with Holmes for Wales.

This not on tv? Shame I still haven't seen young Purdy in action.

Nice to see Wells getting a game, I think he might end up as more of a 6 than a lock.

It is going to be streamed on the RFU website at three on Saturday.

I'll be playing on Saturday at three. Maybe they'll be some highlights online at some point.

Aye it's a shame it is not on Friday night, I quite like the U20's then. It seems like a nice little primer for the weekend's action.

Yeah it's normally an easy watch on a Friday night.

Cumbrian wrote:Team to face France:
15 Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors)
14 Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)
13 Mark Jennings (Sale Sharks)
12 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)
11 Jack Arnott (Exeter Chiefs)
10 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
9 Alex Day (Northampton Saints)

1 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
2 Nathan Morris (London Wasps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Elliott Stooke (Gloucester Rugby)
5 Dom Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
6 Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers)
7 Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs)
8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (c)

Replacements
16 Danny Herriott (Northampton Saints)
17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints)
18 Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
19 Tom Jubb (Saracens)
20 David Sisi (London Irish)
21 Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby)
22 Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby)
23 Tom Stephenson (Northampton Saints)

I just cannot understand why the u20 selectors will not select a sensible squad. They have yet again refused to pick a sensible frontrow bench, with 3 props again. This on-going experiment with LCD is irritating: they should make their minds up. Personally I think he's an excellent LH and should be left there.

Great to see Sisi fit, and Stpehenson, who will be making his u20 debut, is a massively talented centre.

Is it an England or Exeter request for Dickie to be converted?

It's a little odd tbh, is it that they don't rate the current batch of hookers?

England, Sgt_P. Exe are quite happy with his older brother Tom as our C-D hooker option!

DaveM wrote:

Cumbrian wrote:Team to face France:
15 Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors)
14 Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)
13 Mark Jennings (Sale Sharks)
12 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)
11 Jack Arnott (Exeter Chiefs)
10 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
9 Alex Day (Northampton Saints)

1 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
2 Nathan Morris (London Wasps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Elliott Stooke (Gloucester Rugby)
5 Dom Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
6 Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers)
7 Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs)
8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (c)

Replacements
16 Danny Herriott (Northampton Saints)
17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints)
18 Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
19 Tom Jubb (Saracens)
20 David Sisi (London Irish)
21 Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby)
22 Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby)
23 Tom Stephenson (Northampton Saints)

I just cannot understand why the u20 selectors will not select a sensible squad. They have yet again refused to pick a sensible frontrow bench, with 3 props again. This on-going experiment with LCD is irritating: they should make their minds up. Personally I think he's an excellent LH and should be left there.

Great to see Sisi fit, and Stpehenson, who will be making his u20 debut, is a massively talented centre.

It's odd alright, it's not like there aren't any potentially promising hookers at this level either come to think of it. Nathan Morris notwithstanding there is also Scott Spurling who has had premiership experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aSXg2AHB4

I suppose they've spotted something in Cowan-Dickie that has made them believe he could turn into a very special number hooker. It's a position that up until recently we have lacked significant depth at international level, if Youngs and/or Hartley got injured (not beyond the realm s of possibility) we'd be back in the mire.

French team:

15. Wieprecht (Clermont); 14. Lacroix (Albi), 13. Fickou (Toulouse), 12. Dussartre (Racing), 11. Parez (Racing); 10. Mallet (Stade français), 9. Serin (Bordeaux); 7. Camara (Massy), 8. Tauleigne (Bourgoin), 6. Babillot (Castres); 5. Jedraziak (cap., Clermont), 4. Bastien (Agen); 3. Cotet (Perpignan), 2. Ruffenach (Biarritz), 1. Baille (Toulouse).

Remplaçants: 16. Hollet (Perpignan), 17. Custoja (Perpignan), 18. Vartanov (Racing), 19. Cros (Toulouse), 20. Domenech (Narbonne), 21. Vialelle (Castres), 22. Le Bourhis (La Rochelle), 23. Singer (Clermont).

Cumbrian wrote:

DaveM wrote:

Cumbrian wrote:Team to face France:
15 Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors)
14 Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)
13 Mark Jennings (Sale Sharks)
12 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)
11 Jack Arnott (Exeter Chiefs)
10 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
9 Alex Day (Northampton Saints)

1 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
2 Nathan Morris (London Wasps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Elliott Stooke (Gloucester Rugby)
5 Dom Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
6 Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers)
7 Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs)
8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (c)

Replacements
16 Danny Herriott (Northampton Saints)
17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints)
18 Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
19 Tom Jubb (Saracens)
20 David Sisi (London Irish)
21 Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby)
22 Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby)
23 Tom Stephenson (Northampton Saints)

I just cannot understand why the u20 selectors will not select a sensible squad. They have yet again refused to pick a sensible frontrow bench, with 3 props again. This on-going experiment with LCD is irritating: they should make their minds up. Personally I think he's an excellent LH and should be left there.

Great to see Sisi fit, and Stpehenson, who will be making his u20 debut, is a massively talented centre.

It's odd alright, it's not like there aren't any potentially promising hookers at this level either come to think of it. Nathan Morris notwithstanding there is also Scott Spurling who has had premiership experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aSXg2AHB4

I suppose they've spotted something in Cowan-Dickie that has made them believe he could turn into a very special number hooker. It's a position that up until recently we have lacked significant depth at international level, if Youngs and/or Hartley got injured (not beyond the realm s of possibility) we'd be back in the mire.

I'm pretty sure that Hartley was a prop until West got his hands on him not sure how old he was but it was around 19 I think.

So guys what's the verdict on this match,I fancy England to beat the 12 point handicap but would like to hear from English fans before I put any money down.

i have no idea!!!

never do with age level stuff. anything can happen

It is a strong England team, but they haven’t quite clicked so far in this tournament.. France out-muscled a good portion of this England team last year (most of whom made the step up a year early) and it stung quite a few of them according to some of the blurb coming out of the camp. I would expect England to go hammer and tongs at them for revenge.

To be honest from what I have read this current crop of French youngsters are no great shakes. Their recent results would suggest that too (a narrow victory over Italy and a hammering at the hands of Wales). England to win this comfortably in my opinion.

England to win. Or they could just as easily lose. But that's probably the strongest possible England team so i'd hope we could get the win at home.

Oh and on the hooker front if Hartley and Youngs got crocked we'd have: Lindsay, Gray, Buchanan, Brooker, Webber, George and the Saints young hooker who's quite impressive (or am I thinking of their prop...), and Glos have quite a good young hooker too.

yappysnap wrote:England to win. Or they could just as easily lose. But that's probably the strongest possible England team so i'd hope we could get the win at home.

Oh and on the hooker front if Hartley and Youngs got crocked we'd have: Lindsay, Gray, Buchanan, Brooker, Webber, George and the Saints young hooker who's quite impressive (or am I thinking of their prop...), and Glos have quite a good young hooker too.

I think you are think of Mike Haywood at Northampton and Koree Britton at Glos. Only two of those listed are first choice players for their clubs (Gray and Webber) and none of them have really been properly tested at international level. Some may take to it like a duck to water (like Tom Youngs) but you'd really want an old head there to help guide them through. Saying that it would probably be David Paice that they turned to, who is a relative veteran with 6 caps!

Fickou has a full cap I think, not often you get full Ints in an U20 match

Did Youngs or Lawes get caps while in the U20's?

Cumbrian wrote:

yappysnap wrote:England to win. Or they could just as easily lose. But that's probably the strongest possible England team so i'd hope we could get the win at home.

Oh and on the hooker front if Hartley and Youngs got crocked we'd have: Lindsay, Gray, Buchanan, Brooker, Webber, George and the Saints young hooker who's quite impressive (or am I thinking of their prop...), and Glos have quite a good young hooker too.

I think you are think of Mike Haywood at Northampton and Koree Britton at Glos. Only two of those listed are first choice players for their clubs (Gray and Webber) and none of them have really been properly tested at international level. Some may take to it like a duck to water (like Tom Youngs) but you'd really want an old head there to help guide them through. Saying that it would probably be David Paice that they turned to, who is a relative veteran with 6 caps!

Yea you're right there. I would say that nearly all of those hookers are pretty similar though, all bar Gray are dynamic centre's who struggle sometimes in the lineout but otherwise contribute well in the games i've seen. No real difference to Youngs there, and if Rowntree did have to work with them I have faith in him and Cole to get them to a high enough standard and look after them.

Tom Youngs got U20 caps at center