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Post by Morgannwg Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:23 pm

You are regulary at Ospreys games, perhaps more often than Swansea, Bridgend and Neath residents, sporting your 'Merthyr supports Ospreys, the one true region' banner. The Ospreys have infringed copyright by stealing your slogan. You've been attending Ospreys games for years and now all of a sudden #OneTrueRegion flags are being sold which generates profit not for Merthyr, but for the Ospreys.

Next items: Why do you support them? Why are they the One True Region? And what more do they do for rugby in your community than the Blues? LD, I'm looking at you here.
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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:59 pm

They win more games, play better rugby and have more stars than their region = easier to support.

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Post by thebluesmancometh Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:02 pm

What is it with Merthyr folk and banners, every welsh football game around the world has a Merthyr FC banner!!

Infactg when I was in SA a few years ago there was a Merthyr FC banner in the stadium in Capetown during a footy match, they will just support anyone!!

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:06 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:What is it with Merthyr folk and banners, every welsh football game around the world has a Merthyr FC banner!!

Infactg when I was in SA a few years ago there was a Merthyr FC banner in the stadium in Capetown during a footy match, they will just support anyone!!

Just shows how well travelled the fans of Merthyr FC are...! Surely it's not that they'll support anyone but that the support Merthyr and enjoy sport the world over...?

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Post by Morgannwg Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:08 pm

Yeah Blues. We all know Merthyr only support Ospreys in rugby and Cardiff FC in football...
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Post by wayne Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:30 pm

Morg, if you went on our board, you would see numerous fans from Merthyr, Newport, Worcester, Birmingham, Leeds, Cornwall, Pembroke, Fishguard, Cardiff and numerous other towns outside of the boundaries of THE ONE TRUE REGION, some with Ospreylian connections, many without, most of the fans of these fans support our Region as against the other super clubs, is because of the stand alone status of 2 and the lack of inclusiveness of the other, which is still happening.

Go on our site and ask Philinmerthyr and Wayne in Merthyr why they travel in their own full cars to the Liberty and travel to most of our HC away matches ?

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Post by thebluesmancometh Tue 15 Jan 2013, 7:42 pm

wayne = clueless!!!

What is it you think you know about what each region does in their region? I know exactly who the most commited to the regional status are!!!

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Post by wayne Tue 15 Jan 2013, 8:06 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:wayne = clueless!!!

What is it you think you know about what each region does in their region? I know exactly who the most commited to the regional status are!!!
One of the 2 Merthyr has 2 boys in the Blues North system, as they are only allowed to play for that area, otherwise they would be in the Ospreys academy, they get no input from the Cardiff club. 2 Welsh Internationals have been in the Ogmore valley at least 4 times each visiting our junior sections since the start of this season. How many Cardiff Blues Internationals have been to Merthyr in the same period, i'll tell you NONE. Whose CLUELESS BSC

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Post by thebluesmancometh Tue 15 Jan 2013, 8:27 pm

I'm hardly clueless, knowing that the Blues players and staff don't visit the back ends of beyond much is hardly news to anybody, but that can be said about the Ospreys just as much, and the Scarlets!!!

I was eluding to the Dragons when I stated I know exactly who does the most, I know exactly what each region does, and the Blues split into 2 junior sections for good reason, the best of the best play for South and the best of the rest for North (no offence) North gets a rough deal, and I know of at least 4 valley boys who play for south, this highlights the junior Academy results of which the Blues south smash every in general!

The Ospreys struggle to engage players on the outskirts as much as anyone because of where they train, I have had contact with kids who don't play elite rugby because they would prefer and would find it easier to play for the Blues or Scarlets but cannot!!!

PS there is much more to giving around the regions than the odd pro turning up for a junior team!!!

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Post by wayne Tue 15 Jan 2013, 8:39 pm

So at least on 8 occasions in 5 months is the odd occasion in one small area, AFAIK this happens all over Ospreylia, 2 of my nieces sons play for Tondu and Bryncethin junior sections they have player visits and coach input at their grounds and at Llandarcy.
You have said on other articles that you are a ST holder at 2 clubs and you conveniently after I quote what happens within Cardiff area, you are the expert on the Newport area.
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Post by thebluesmancometh Tue 15 Jan 2013, 9:03 pm

Well firstly of course the players will be at Llandarcy when it is where the elite players train!!!

Regarding myself, I don't have to justify myself to you, I have worked in EVERY region, most recently being Gwent, and I know that Dragons CONTRIBUTE most to their region in regards to junior participation!

Having players and coaches visit is one thing, having a large number of the first team, including captain, head coach, forwards coach all coach the junior teams is a whole other ball game, can the Ospreys boast that?
Not to mention first team Physio's, a very large link with the university, schools, clubs etc...

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Post by wayne Tue 15 Jan 2013, 9:23 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:Well firstly of course the players will be at Llandarcy when it is where the elite players train!!!

Regarding myself, I don't have to justify myself to you, I have worked in EVERY region, most recently being Gwent, and I know that Dragons CONTRIBUTE most to their region in regards to junior participation!

Having players and coaches visit is one thing, having a large number of the first team, including captain, head coach, forwards coach all coach the junior teams is a whole other ball game, can the Ospreys boast that?
Not to mention first team Physio's, a very large link with the university, schools, clubs etc...
Paragraph 1 I'm talking about the Junior clubs coaches visiting after work, for seminars with our elite coaches, dieticians, physio's etc as well as these visiting the clubs on training nights and on Sunday morning matches.
Paragraph 3 If you are saying that they all do that on a regular basis to all the junior sections in Gwent, without further proof I'd call you a stranger to the truth, there is not enough days in the year to accomplish that for ANY of the teams in Wales. If you are talking about them going to an area and inviting local clubs to send their coaches to meet up we already do that at Pencoed, Llandarcy, Bridgend,Cefn Cribwr in this area never mind the AfanNedd and Swansea districts. Who has been awarded the best Coach Development Award for the past 3 years by the WRU.

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Post by Morgannwg Tue 15 Jan 2013, 9:30 pm

wayne wrote:Morg, if you went on our board, you would see numerous fans from Merthyr, Newport, Worcester, Birmingham, Leeds, Cornwall, Pembroke, Fishguard, Cardiff and numerous other towns outside of the boundaries of THE ONE TRUE REGION, some with Ospreylian connections, many without, most of the fans of these fans support our Region as against the other super clubs, is because of the stand alone status of 2 and the lack of inclusiveness of the other, which is still happening.

Go on our site and ask Philinmerthyr and Wayne in Merthyr why they travel in their own full cars to the Liberty and travel to most of our HC away matches ?

wayne, this post doesn't address anything I have asked.
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Post by thebluesmancometh Tue 15 Jan 2013, 9:47 pm

wayne

So the rest of wales don't put on monthly CPD meetings as the O's do??? Is that what your really saying??? Because the good folks who provide the pitch and chips at Blackwood rfc would beg to differ, not to mention the 1 on 1 work with coaches from all over the region!!!

And no I am clearly not talking about the Dragons boys coaching EVERY club, that is crazy, I am talking about Rob Sidoli's comitmnet to coaching the U18's 3 times a week during weeknights, Shanks and Gus coaching the U17's 3 times a week, the Dragons coaching set up putting on coaching clinics all the time throughout the region.

without further proof I'd call you a stranger to the truth - once again I'm not here to provide you with anything, having been involved in all 4 regions (allbeit hardly at all at the Scarlets) I am giving you my opinion of who does more for junior participation. The difference between you and I is that I am not one eyed and have a huge chip on my shoulder, I can see things through a purely welsh rugby view on things, whereas your hell bent on trying to convince the Ospreys are the best thing since sliced bread.

I suggest you have a lie down!

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Post by wayne Tue 15 Jan 2013, 10:08 pm

So does Ian Gough, he already has coaching certificates from within the WRU.
I have no chip, I just know who does more for the Region and for Wales, how many have been selected from Dragons for Wales again today.
Until there is a decent development programme at the clubs, they should not be paid the same amount as the Ospreys, it should be a set amount say
£1 million and then on the number of players each contributes to the Welsh squad, you might then get off your backsides and do something.
Your right I do need to go and lie down, as it's pointless conversing with you.

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Post by Guest Tue 15 Jan 2013, 10:22 pm

Nice one Wayne; pay the regions based on subjective decisions made by someone sat in the Millennium Stadium (or wherever the WRU offices are). Great way to run a business. "Sorry, you only get £1m this year because Rob Howley has decided not to pick as many of your players". That cannot be the way forward.

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Post by Guest Tue 15 Jan 2013, 11:02 pm

wayne wrote:So does Ian Gough, he already has coaching certificates from within the WRU.
I have no chip, I just know who does more for the Region and for Wales, how many have been selected from Dragons for Wales again today.
Until there is a decent development programme at the clubs, they should not be paid the same amount as the Ospreys, it should be a set amount say
£1 million and then on the number of players each contributes to the Welsh squad, you might then get off your backsides and do something.
Your right I do need to go and lie down, as it's pointless conversing with you.

You can't use Welsh selection as a true reflection. While our representation shouldn't be that vast, even somebody like you should recognise that it doesn't matter what a number of Dragons players do, they don't get selected as their faces don't fit.

Secondly, your earlier post about your supporters proves what? Doesn't prove they go to games just because they class themselves as Ospreys supporters. There's at least a couple on here as an example who barely ever go to the Liberty. Also if you were the One True Region as you suggest, surely all your fans should be pretty local and within the confines of "Ospreylia" vomit , as you can bet your bottom dollar that most of these guys also support a club in another region, who Ospreys do jack for.

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Post by Stone Motif Tue 15 Jan 2013, 11:08 pm

Apart from which, Wayne, massive O's fan that you are you'd realise that your academy has been running at over 400 per cent of the money provided by the WRU, and judging by the noises made in the press your board have started to wake up to the fact that this is neither a. Sustainable nor b. Wise. Your guys want to subsidise Team Wales then more fool them. None of which matters an iota towards who is the most regional or not mind, it just proves the WRU underfund both our academies.
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Post by Cardiff Dave Tue 15 Jan 2013, 11:50 pm

wayne wrote:Morg, if you went on our board, you would see numerous fans from Merthyr, Newport, Worcester, Birmingham, Leeds, Cornwall, Pembroke, Fishguard, Cardiff and numerous other towns outside of the boundaries of THE ONE TRUE REGION, some with Ospreylian connections, many without,

Even more proof that the joking regional concept means nowt ie. you can support who you want wherever you are from.


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Post by Morgannwg Wed 16 Jan 2013, 12:31 am

The Lord of Dowlais Esquire has been relatively quiet on the subject. He often brags about following the one true region despite being a Merthyr man. I wonder if he has anything to do with this god-awful banner?
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Post by Stone Motif Wed 16 Jan 2013, 8:29 am

A lot of it has to do with the fact that the average casual sports fan with an interest in rugby will almost certainly primarily follow football, and will have grown up with a tradition of nailing your colours to some team based miles away, and that allegiance is very vulnerable to change.
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Post by thebluesmancometh Wed 16 Jan 2013, 4:02 pm

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Firstly Gough has a level 1 coaching cert, I can name you a thousand non players who has that (unless he's upgraded to 2 recently)

I know of 7 Dragons players who are level 3, and 3 players who have been invited to level 4 (Pro)

Plus you cannot boast how great and regional you are when your players who you use as examples are not from your region!!

Also there are 2 small problems with your funding argument...

Firstly it will effect who gets the national selecting job, Howley has a clear Blues bias, and I could name 6 SH's better placed than Lloyd Williams, not to mention edgy picks as pretorious, Navidi Andrew etc...
Regions would then rally behind certain coaches to ensure they get a share of players and hence funding.

Secondly the O's have been mercurial in purchasing players from other regions, so unless the funding was by who's academy a player came through it wouldn't work/or be fair.

Lets look at the Dragons...

Lydiate
Falatau
Charteris
Coombs
Fussell
Tovey

Could all conceivably be in the Welsh squad and then the Dragons funded accordingly, it is not the Dragons fault that the O's have overspent on players like Gough, Fussel and Bearman!!!

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Post by CurlyOsp Wed 16 Jan 2013, 4:55 pm

How dare the Ospreys sign Welsh players! We should fill our squad up with non-qualified players that have no benefit to the national team!

Ospreys haters will always find a way to pick holes in everything the region does. Truth is we do as much, if not more through out our region as the other regions.

If supporters from other regions want to support the Ospreys then what's the problem? it's your regions fault for not doing more to hold onto them.

As for poaching other regions players, what about Gareth Owen, Kristian Phillips, Tom Prydie, Aled Brew, Leigh Halfpenny etc?

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Post by Guest Wed 16 Jan 2013, 5:36 pm

They can support them yeah, but it's supporting in the loosest sense of the word. It's easy to say I support Ospreys, then never go to the Liberty.

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Post by Morgannwg Wed 16 Jan 2013, 6:06 pm

Yeah people should learn the difference between fan and supporter!
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Post by Morgannwg Wed 16 Jan 2013, 6:09 pm

CurlyOsp wrote:How dare the Ospreys sign Welsh players! We should fill our squad up with non-qualified players that have no benefit to the national team!

Ospreys haters will always find a way to pick holes in everything the region does. Truth is we do as much, if not more through out our region as the other regions.

If supporters from other regions want to support the Ospreys then what's the problem? it's your regions fault for not doing more to hold onto them.

As for poaching other regions players, what about Gareth Owen, Kristian Phillips, Tom Prydie, Aled Brew, Leigh Halfpenny etc?

It's no problem you taking players from other regions, just don't claim you are the ones developing them.

I'm sorry but what does the bolded statement mean? This article BTW, is aimed at those Merthyr supporters. You should be able to work that out if you read the post. What I'm also wondering is are these guys representative of Merthyr's rugby clubs? Does the OneTrueRegion myth go beyond to the whole of Merthyr town?

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Post by CurlyOsp Wed 16 Jan 2013, 6:14 pm

The bolded statement means that you seem to have a grudge against the Ospreys for attracting Merthyr supporters, why not ask what more your region could be doing to keep hold of them, rather than criticising the Ospreys?

They can support them yeah, but it's supporting in the loosest sense of the word. It's easy to say I support Ospreys, then never go to the Liberty.

Didn't this debate start because of the Merthyr fans being at the Liberty?

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Post by Morgannwg Wed 16 Jan 2013, 7:56 pm

CurlyOsp wrote:The bolded statement means that you seem to have a grudge against the Ospreys for attracting Merthyr supporters, why not ask what more your region could be doing to keep hold of them, rather than criticising the Ospreys?

They can support them yeah, but it's supporting in the loosest sense of the word. It's easy to say I support Ospreys, then never go to the Liberty.

Didn't this debate start because of the Merthyr fans being at the Liberty?

Well actually no. The bolded statement is the retort of somebody who has missed the point entirely. If somebody believes that statement then they obviously do not have an opinion of their own. It's a regurgitated cliche and nothing more. Especially the latter part of the bold.

If you think I have some sort of grudge against Merthyr for supporting the Ospreys then you are a lot stupider than I orginally thought. Also why would I ask myself what my regional team could be doing to attract fans from Merthyr? That area is for the Blues consideration, not the Dragons.

Now, the Merthyr Ospreys fans have made a claim. The fact that the Ospreys Marketing team has infringed on their slogan is another debate. Therefore I am asking the Merthyr Ospreys fans why they are making such banners.
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Post by thebluesmancometh Wed 16 Jan 2013, 8:00 pm

As for poaching other regions players, what about Gareth Owen, Kristian Phillips, Tom Prydie, Aled Brew, Leigh Halfpenny etc?

IMHO this highlights the lack of foresight at the Ospreys, to reject every one of these players and sign older far more costly players such as Fussell hahahaha

Curly your the one with a clear chip on your shoulder, not the rest of us!

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Post by CurlyOsp Wed 16 Jan 2013, 9:18 pm

Morg you have a funny way of reading what you want and not what's actually there. At what point did I say I begrudge Merthyr fans? The more the merrier in my opinion. Plus I've never heard that 'cliche' before so how can it be regurgitated?

And how do I have a chip? I'm simply defending the Ospreys because the "lets all hate the Ospreys" bandwagon is getting a little old..

I'm not criticising the fact that young Ospreys players have gone else where, just pointing out that it happens to all the regions.

In fact I'd love to see some of the Ospreys squad players move to regions where both parties would benefit.

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Post by Breadvan Wed 16 Jan 2013, 10:28 pm

Honestly, who really gives a sh1t about a banner with a daft slogan on it? No matter where in Wales they come from. They've obviously just adopted this onetrue thingy for their flag....big whup. Christ, even Swans fans don't criticise fellow supporters for having a Whitland Jacks flag.
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Post by Morgannwg Thu 17 Jan 2013, 12:52 am

CurlyOsp wrote:Morg you have a funny way of reading what you want and not what's actually there. At what point did I say I begrudge Merthyr fans? The more the merrier in my opinion. Plus I've never heard that 'cliche' before so how can it be regurgitated?

And how do I have a chip? I'm simply defending the Ospreys because the "lets all hate the Ospreys" bandwagon is getting a little old..

I'm not criticising the fact that young Ospreys players have gone else where, just pointing out that it happens to all the regions.

In fact I'd love to see some of the Ospreys squad players move to regions where both parties would benefit.

You're lead to believe I have a grudge against Merthyr fans. Go back and read what you wrote. Who accused you of begruding them??? It certainly wasn't Morg. Perhaps you should learn to read.

Allow me to make this clear, once again, for the dull people. This artcile is aimed at the Merthyr Ospreys supporters, I would like to hear their views on why they believe the Ospreys to be the 'one true region.'
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Post by Welsh Magician Thu 17 Jan 2013, 7:57 am

Jesus, what a huge chip on the shoulder you lot have. It's their business to support that region and not yours, Ospreys have clearly done the most over the years to include the whole of their region and it seems to not only be paying off locally but also further abroad. Might be why the others have started to catch on recently, maybe too late.

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Post by Stone Motif Thu 17 Jan 2013, 8:48 am

Welsh Magician wrote:Jesus, what a huge chip on the shoulder you lot have. It's their business to support that region and not yours, Ospreys have clearly done the most over the years to include the whole of their region and it seems to not only be paying off locally but also further abroad. Might be why the others have started to catch on recently, maybe too late.
If you're going to make statements like this then you need to back them up. Please quantify how the O's have clearly done more? This is the brilliance of the One True Region tagline, see, it appeals to the circular logic of the idiot. 'it says 'One True Region' on the O's website, therefore they must be more regional than the others'. It's like the Welsh rugby equivalent of Lucozade. Put up or shut up ffs...
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Post by Welsh Magician Thu 17 Jan 2013, 8:56 am

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Welsh Magician wrote:Jesus, what a huge chip on the shoulder you lot have. It's their business to support that region and not yours, Ospreys have clearly done the most over the years to include the whole of their region and it seems to not only be paying off locally but also further abroad. Might be why the others have started to catch on recently, maybe too late.
If you're going to make statements like this then you need to back them up. Please quantify how the O's have clearly done more? This is the brilliance of the One True Region tagline, see, it appeals to the circular logic of the idiot. 'it says 'One True Region' on the O's website, therefore they must be more regional than the others'. It's like the Welsh rugby equivalent of Lucozade. Put up or shut up ffs...
Oh please, don't try and act as though they haven't, it's of no surprise that attendances have risen since they have all tried to become regional, many beforehand have stated what Ospreys have done and are still doing, many of the things they do are on their website so go check it out for yourself. There is no point in me repeating the same old story for you anti-success trolls to regurgitate your own nonsense.

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Post by Stone Motif Thu 17 Jan 2013, 10:16 am

My point proved in spectacular fashion. I've been on the O's site, you clearly haven't done any research of your own. Maybe I'm missing it but by all means tell me what the O's are doing that no-one else is, except making defamatory claims about their region being more regional than anyone elses?
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Post by thebluesmancometh Thu 17 Jan 2013, 10:53 am

Stone

The 'idiot brigade' is great, the website tells me so, so it must be so!!!

Fact is noone is anti Ospreys, people are just asking questions about a clearly contravercial strategy the O's have compiled for brand promotion!!!

If there is an Osprey fan who can discuss it without throwing their toys out of their pram please do so, otherwise you back yourself into a corner against the rest of Wales who do as much for their regions!!!

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Post by Welsh Magician Thu 17 Jan 2013, 11:19 am

Stone Motif wrote:My point proved in spectacular fashion. I've been on the O's site, you clearly haven't done any research of your own. Maybe I'm missing it but by all means tell me what the O's are doing that no-one else is, except making defamatory claims about their region being more regional than anyone elses?
Think you keep missing the point itself, Ospreys have tried to include the whole of their region from near the start of regionalism, which the others did not until it was realised that bigger attendances would come from doing so. There's a news story put on their site quite recently over Christmas of their continued work throughout the region off the field and outside of rugby itself, never mind the clear coaching sessions and training invitations and club award ceremonies that are attended by players from the region. There's also the case of representing every club in their attachment area with the name of each local club on the jersey. I could go on and on with the work that they do for the region off the field and I know of the things that the other regions are trying to achieve also, however being in and around Newport itself there is a sense of the Dragons not doing much in the local community.

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Post by Stone Motif Thu 17 Jan 2013, 12:53 pm

Welsh Magician wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:My point proved in spectacular fashion. I've been on the O's site, you clearly haven't done any research of your own. Maybe I'm missing it but by all means tell me what the O's are doing that no-one else is, except making defamatory claims about their region being more regional than anyone elses?
Think you keep missing the point itself, Ospreys have tried to include the whole of their region from near the start of regionalism, which the others did not until it was realised that bigger attendances would come from doing so. There's a news story put on their site quite recently over Christmas of their continued work throughout the region off the field and outside of rugby itself, never mind the clear coaching sessions and training invitations and club award ceremonies that are attended by players from the region. There's also the case of representing every club in their attachment area with the name of each local club on the jersey. I could go on and on with the work that they do for the region off the field and I know of the things that the other regions are trying to achieve also, however being in and around Newport itself there is a sense of the Dragons not doing much in the local community.

Yeah, well, the Dragons have tried to include the whole of their region from near the start of regionalism, which the others did not until it was realised that bigger attendances would come from doing so (see the recent O's free tickets bonanza). There's a news story put on their site quite recently over Christmas of their continued work throughout the region off the field and outside of rugby itself, never mind the clear coaching sessions and training invitations and club award ceremonies that are attended by players from the region. There's also the case of representing every club in their attachment area with massive 'G' on all of our marketing, and the 'Men of Gwent' tagline featuring strongly on the kit and all other marketing (notice how we promote a region without trying to run down the others...). I could go on and on with the work that they do for the region off the field and I know of the things that the other regions are trying to achieve also, however being in and around Swansea itself there is a sense of the Ospreys not doing much in the local community. Swings and roundabouts my wannabe Ospreylian friend.
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Post by Welsh Magician Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:54 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Welsh Magician wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:My point proved in spectacular fashion. I've been on the O's site, you clearly haven't done any research of your own. Maybe I'm missing it but by all means tell me what the O's are doing that no-one else is, except making defamatory claims about their region being more regional than anyone elses?
Think you keep missing the point itself, Ospreys have tried to include the whole of their region from near the start of regionalism, which the others did not until it was realised that bigger attendances would come from doing so. There's a news story put on their site quite recently over Christmas of their continued work throughout the region off the field and outside of rugby itself, never mind the clear coaching sessions and training invitations and club award ceremonies that are attended by players from the region. There's also the case of representing every club in their attachment area with the name of each local club on the jersey. I could go on and on with the work that they do for the region off the field and I know of the things that the other regions are trying to achieve also, however being in and around Newport itself there is a sense of the Dragons not doing much in the local community.

Yeah, well, the Dragons have tried to include the whole of their region from near the start of regionalism, which the others did not until it was realised that bigger attendances would come from doing so (see the recent O's free tickets bonanza). There's a news story put on their site quite recently over Christmas of their continued work throughout the region off the field and outside of rugby itself, never mind the clear coaching sessions and training invitations and club award ceremonies that are attended by players from the region. There's also the case of representing every club in their attachment area with massive 'G' on all of our marketing, and the 'Men of Gwent' tagline featuring strongly on the kit and all other marketing (notice how we promote a region without trying to run down the others...). I could go on and on with the work that they do for the region off the field and I know of the things that the other regions are trying to achieve also, however being in and around Swansea itself there is a sense of the Ospreys not doing much in the local community. Swings and roundabouts my wannabe Ospreylian friend.
How very childish, probably why this forum is far down the list for rugby.

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Post by Morgannwg Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:11 pm

Welsh Magician wrote:Jesus, what a huge chip on the shoulder you lot have. It's their business to support that region and not yours, Ospreys have clearly done the most over the years to include the whole of their region and it seems to not only be paying off locally but also further abroad. Might be why the others have started to catch on recently, maybe too late.

Welcome to the forum.

Want some advice? Don't go around telling people they have chips on shoulders. It is the most unnecessary and most overused phrase on 606V2.

Would you care to tell use what Ospreys have done to attract support from further aborad? Why do you think Merthyr believe Ospreys are the one true region?
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Post by Morgannwg Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:13 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:Stone

The 'idiot brigade' is great, the website tells me so, so it must be so!!!

Fact is noone is anti Ospreys, people are just asking questions about a clearly contravercial strategy the O's have compiled for brand promotion!!!

If there is an Osprey fan who can discuss it without throwing their toys out of their pram please do so, otherwise you back yourself into a corner against the rest of Wales who do as much for their regions!!!

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And just so others know I am not anti-osprey.
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Post by Morgannwg Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:16 pm

Welsh Magician wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Welsh Magician wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:My point proved in spectacular fashion. I've been on the O's site, you clearly haven't done any research of your own. Maybe I'm missing it but by all means tell me what the O's are doing that no-one else is, except making defamatory claims about their region being more regional than anyone elses?
Think you keep missing the point itself, Ospreys have tried to include the whole of their region from near the start of regionalism, which the others did not until it was realised that bigger attendances would come from doing so. There's a news story put on their site quite recently over Christmas of their continued work throughout the region off the field and outside of rugby itself, never mind the clear coaching sessions and training invitations and club award ceremonies that are attended by players from the region. There's also the case of representing every club in their attachment area with the name of each local club on the jersey. I could go on and on with the work that they do for the region off the field and I know of the things that the other regions are trying to achieve also, however being in and around Newport itself there is a sense of the Dragons not doing much in the local community.

Yeah, well, the Dragons have tried to include the whole of their region from near the start of regionalism, which the others did not until it was realised that bigger attendances would come from doing so (see the recent O's free tickets bonanza). There's a news story put on their site quite recently over Christmas of their continued work throughout the region off the field and outside of rugby itself, never mind the clear coaching sessions and training invitations and club award ceremonies that are attended by players from the region. There's also the case of representing every club in their attachment area with massive 'G' on all of our marketing, and the 'Men of Gwent' tagline featuring strongly on the kit and all other marketing (notice how we promote a region without trying to run down the others...). I could go on and on with the work that they do for the region off the field and I know of the things that the other regions are trying to achieve also, however being in and around Swansea itself there is a sense of the Ospreys not doing much in the local community. Swings and roundabouts my wannabe Ospreylian friend.
How very childish, probably why this forum is far down the list for rugby.

It is as substantial as what you have written in the above quote.
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Post by Stone Motif Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:27 pm

And that was kind of the point. Guess you can take the village idiot out of the One True Region (TM), but you can't take the One True Region (TM) out of the village idiot...

Any money on Welsh Magician being from Pooler or Ponty or somewhere like that?
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Post by Welsh Magician Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:35 pm

Stone Motif wrote:And that was kind of the point. Guess you can take the village idiot out of the One True Region (TM), but you can't take the One True Region (TM) out of the village idiot...

Any money on Welsh Magician being from Pooler or Ponty or somewhere like that?
^^^^ Idiotic, I am from the one true region.

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Post by Welsh Magician Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:40 pm

Morgannwg wrote:
Welsh Magician wrote:Jesus, what a huge chip on the shoulder you lot have. It's their business to support that region and not yours, Ospreys have clearly done the most over the years to include the whole of their region and it seems to not only be paying off locally but also further abroad. Might be why the others have started to catch on recently, maybe too late.

Welcome to the forum.

Want some advice? Don't go around telling people they have chips on shoulders. It is the most unnecessary and most overused phrase on 606V2.

Would you care to tell use what Ospreys have done to attract support from further aborad? Why do you think Merthyr believe Ospreys are the one true region?
Firstly, I simply repeated that phrase from the posts above mine, irony eh?

Secondly, is it not your responsibility to tell me why they are not? Think the word true is important here and needs closer inspection from you, in no way has Ospreys Rugby claimed that the others are not now trying to become regional.

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Post by Welsh Magician Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:47 pm

I won't be logging in again, but I think it's important to note the context of this thread with current proceedings in Welsh rugby politics. Now that it has been made clear that one or two of the regions could be scrapped or downsized from their current status it is far from surprising to see the most successful of them being attacked by other regional teams fans. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Morgannwg Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:51 pm

Welsh Magician wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:
Welsh Magician wrote:Jesus, what a huge chip on the shoulder you lot have. It's their business to support that region and not yours, Ospreys have clearly done the most over the years to include the whole of their region and it seems to not only be paying off locally but also further abroad. Might be why the others have started to catch on recently, maybe too late.

Welcome to the forum.

Want some advice? Don't go around telling people they have chips on shoulders. It is the most unnecessary and most overused phrase on 606V2.

Would you care to tell use what Ospreys have done to attract support from further aborad? Why do you think Merthyr believe Ospreys are the one true region?
Firstly, I simply repeated that phrase from the posts above mine, irony eh?

Secondly, is it not your responsibility to tell me why they are not? Think the word true is important here and needs closer inspection from you, in no way has Ospreys Rugby claimed that the others are not now trying to become regional.

A) That just proved my point that the phrase is often overused across this forum and is usually the retort of a poster that lacks credibility in their arguement.

B) No it isn't my responsiblity. You made the claim, therefore you need to back it up.

I think there's a few stupid people on here. I've repeatedly asked whether they agree that Ospreys are the one true region and asked why. Nobody has answered. They just come out with ridiculous accusations and other nonsensical postings that do not address my query.
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Post by Morgannwg Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:52 pm

Welsh Magician wrote:I won't be logging in again, but I think it's important to note the context of this thread with current proceedings in Welsh rugby politics. Now that it has been made clear that one or two of the regions could be scrapped or downsized from their current status it is far from surprising to see the most successful of them being attacked by other regional teams fans. Rolling Eyes

Well I'm glad to hear you will not be logging in again seeing as your final retort is another bolox accusation.

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Folks, there's a whole lot of borderline personal attacks coming in from most of the people involved in this debate.

Can you ALL wind in the snippy-ness a tad, it's starting to make the Irish provincial debates from last year look good. And I didn't think that was possible.

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