Robbery

by Josiah Maiestas Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:50 pm

First topic message reminder :

Umpire Molina has denied Wawrinka the victory today.

by gboycottnut Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:44 am

For the first set and a half Wawrinka played out of his skin with Tennis that would have beaten anyone It was as though the player opposing Djokovic on the other side of the net wasn't Wawrinka at all but it was Wawrinka's Swiss teammate Lord Federer.

by lags72 Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:44 am

Why the desire to adopt such an aggressive and threatening tone socal just because you read opinions that happen to differ from your own.... ?

There was a polite debate going on yet you somehow feel the need to equate certain perceptions of a specific talking point as to "crap on Djokovic's achievements" - even though nobody appears to have done so.

by bogbrush Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 am

Henman Bill wrote:BB, do you really think it is officially asterisked or was that a cheeky joke/ wind up? You know, you like to see yourself as good and Socal as bad but it takes two to tango, you two are as bad as each other when talking to each other, I don't know why you bother. It is a pointless feud.

Really harsh on Stan by the way. I wish the correct call had been made.

Also commendable of him to say it was his best ever performance, even in defeat. Some players won't admit or even see how well they played in defeat.

Bill, the guy wasn't even in the forum when I made my contributions to the thread, including this one;

It's done though, nobody wanted to do wrong.

Onward to the quarter.

There was no aggro at all, and I'm not looking for any. I've tried to advise the guy to stop going at me, not sure what you'd advise except just say nice things about Djokovic.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 am

I came on today not to post, to simply read some commentary from people on the match, in particular I enjoy IMBL's well researched work better than most paid tennis journalists. And then funny I read a thread about robbery and asterik slams, I saw red. Frankly, I hadn't participated on this site for 2 months and rarely look at the articles, this thread is offensive, contrafactual, and hypocritical. And no I don't care if the OP or anyone else likes my opinion of the matter.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:52 am

Really lags what do you call the asteriks post by BB and the title of this thread, that isn't aggressive Lags? Calling something an asteriks and Robbery is crapping on Djoko's accomplishments and denigration. I am more than happy to call a spade a spade, and if that hurts sensitive english sensibilities well I am sorry.

by Henman Bill Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:54 am

I can see why you were annoyed by the article, then again, there is some truth in it..."asterisking" is over the top in my opinion, but it's sad when this happens and casts a shadow over the match.A great match, by all accounts, but sadly I had to work today and missed it.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:02 am

There isn't any truth in it HB, if you watch the 5th set there was more than one occassion where Novak was in a dominant position and forced to replay a point he was on top of because of a bad line call. He blew numerous other break points and Djokovic actually got the shot in question back and the shot that he hit Wawrinka bounced behind the service line. He had a challenge and chose not to use it, if he had been successful at worst it would have been a Novak first serve.

But I do appreciate your fair judgement. I am an aggressive poster I do not deny the obvious. However it is rather amusing and hypocritical for people to post a thread called Robbery claiming that I am the only one being aggressive.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:06 am

By the way Henman bill it is much ado about nothing it barely gets a mention in any of the journalist articles on the match because it had no impact on the match. The match was decided like 45 minutes later and Novak suffered more than one inopportune bad call in that 5th set. It was a poor officiated match all around. I think the linesman were a bit tired that late in the night and after working and focusing for so long. No shadow whatsover just a trumped attack on Djokovic by a bunch Fed as yahweh worshippers with little credibility (Josiah and BB.)

by bogbrush Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:06 am

I don't believe Josiah has commented. It's his thread.

Socal, can't you just stop with the insults?

by Henman Bill Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:07 am

Actually "robbery" isn't a fair title now you mention it. No-one stole anything. It isn't stealing if it's handed to you. Anyway, as BB says, let's move on to the next round. Ferrer, isn't it?

by Henman Bill Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:08 am

by Ferrer I mean Berdych...

by User 774433 Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:09 am

Henman Bill wrote:Actually "robbery" isn't a fair title now you mention it. No-one stole anything. It isn't stealing if it's handed to you. Anyway, as BB says, let's move on to the next round. Ferrer, isn't it?

No, Berdych.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:13 am

Sure BB, I made my point. And as for Josiah he is known for much worse conduct than I have ever been accused of, he needs to pick up a racket so he can actually understand a little bit about the sport. I don't care if he isn't here to defend himself or not, if you want to make up BS that ticks me off, I am more than happy to expose your idiocy, he can come back and post his rebuttal. But knowing him it will be hardly intelligible nonsense.

by bogbrush Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:16 am

So to "can't you just stop with the insults?" I take it the answer from you is "No".

Whats the point?

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:21 am

Yes why do you bother with feigned indignation and trumped up nonsense after a beautiful and entertaining match with two deserving competitors. If you can't find something nice to say about Djokovic after this match then maybe you are the one with a bias. Why do you bother to continually dog this man when he has been a worthy champion? Did you watch the fifth set, was that the only bad blown call? Were all the numerous missed calls in the deciding set against poor Stan?

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:25 am

I love it Stan loses a match he was up in 6-1 and 5-2 and supposedly this is a robbery, I mean if the challenge was made it would have been a first serve, not a break it wasn't a winner. And Djokovic lost a couple of points that he was on top of from dodgey calls as well. Another hatchet job by the OP exposed!

by invisiblecoolers Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:59 am

OMG back the first day and starting up fights, can't we have a peaceful forum with meaningful discussions?

I don't see anything wrong with the title, even if you find one it could be posted neatly without insults and its upto the poster to address it or not. thumbsup

by Silver Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:05 am

Hullo socal, haven't seen you post in ages, it's good to see you back as you bring decent debate out. Stick around for the second week at least? I definitely wanted Stan to win last night, but was impressed with how Djokovic clawed it back and didn't give up many opportunities in the endgame. I think he'll have Berdych on toast in straights, I wouldn't worry! And after that, it's a far calmer voyage into the final...

Speaking of that side of the draw, I was stunned at how easily Ferrer dismantled Nishikori. Perhaps he'll be stiffer opposition than I think!

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:45 am

Silver good post, thank you for your kind words. I haven't posted for ages because I don't like censorship and too many of my posts were deleted while the slander of others was let stand with no comment.

I wasn't surprised at the nish match to be honest. I saw these two play last year and it was the same kind of mauling. Nishikori although very fast isn't a defensive minded player and not particularly fit. Ferrer is a bad match up for nishi, he is just so much more solid, fit, and consistent. While Nish has a bit more firepower it isn't anything that Ferrer hasn't seen and can't dea with. Plus Nish's second serve is attackable and ferrer is among the best in the game.

As for the Berdych match I think Novak will put Berdy down and probably in 3 or 4, but I think it does become crucial for Novak to start well and make Berdych remember that he is a career 1-11 against Novak.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:51 am

A nonsense post from OP. It was an epic match which, as Novak says afterwards no player deserved to lose but sadly there had to be one. Stan had his chances such as double break points in the final set but couldn't take them. Stan acquitted himself way better than I have seen him before but Novak just refused to be denied. Aspects of his game were off especially early on but he showed champion's instinct to hang in there, get a foothold in the match and build from there. Nice to have you back socal.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:13 am

Oh Craig, I don't plan on being back for long, I just came here to read the analysis of posters on the thread and I was ambushed by this scurrilous and contrafactual nonsense that some seem to agree with.

Novak was surprised and rattled early in the match craig. I don't blame him because I have never seen Wawrinka come over as many returns as he did off both sides early on. The worst part of Stan's game is his return where he is very passive and basically chips everything back. All of sudden in the first set and half he was poucing on every second. Novak was clearly off as well as he was spraying errors and throwing in double faults. But this new wrinkle in Wawrinka's strategy really had him thrown for a loop. His game in the first set and a half was just flat awful, but credit to wawrinka he was bringing the effort from start to finish, and it took everything for Novak to win this match.

I think Novak and Stan gained a lot of respect for each other and hopefully a match like this helps stan carve out more fans and respect as something other than Roger's olympic doubles partner.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:22 am

PS craig I am man enough as a Novak fan, I am scared poopless of facing the new grandslam champ Andy Murray in the final. He is the one guy I really fear on this surface for Novak. I actually think this surface might suit Andy as well as it does Novak and Andy is just not going to wilt we know that about him.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:22 am

Hell I might be cheering for Fed in the semi, maybe?

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:31 am

Not sure. I think this surface is a little slower than Andy would want. His best slams are Wimbledon and US Open which have quicker surfaces. Also Murray may well reach the semis physically and mentally fresh but he needs to beat the Indian sign Fed has over him in slams so Andy's new found mental toughness will be tested. He can take his Olympic win as solace and hopefully build on that but we shall see. Both have to get there first.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:12 am

I think he takes fed at the AO if they play in a semi. I think he is ascendant Craig in this match up. Yes Andy plays well both on a faster surface and on a slow hardcourt. I think Novak would have the edge if they met in a final but it would be a nail biter either. After the olympics I see Murray exorcising a lot of the demons he has against fed in big 5 set matches. If he can beat Fed on grass over 5 set I think he should be able to handle fed on a good slow hardcourt.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:46 am

I hope you are right socal. I will be keeping my fingers crossed.

by **laverfan** Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:02 am

socal1976 wrote:Not bad sportslover, busy with a new business, new lady friend, new condo, new car things couldn't be sweeter. Nice to hear from you as well.

Congratulations!

You should focus on Djokovic's win rather than Wawrinka's loss.

Tough matches at this stage, never easy. Berdych, Ferrer/Almagro and then the final.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:11 am

Laverfan I didn't focus on Stan's loss, the only thing I said about stan has been absolutely postive. I have always had a high opinion of his abilities and many of the other top players who haven't been able to break through. The people who claim that this era is just 4 guys and a bunch of patsies are the ones who need to focus on the positive in men's tennis. I cam here, which I rarely do anymore to read up comments on this match, not to post, after an exciting win by my favorite player. And then I see this hatchet job and contrafactual nonsense by the OP and certain posters calling asteriks slams in the 4th round on a point half way through the 5th set.

What is funny if you watch that 5th set on more than one occasion the sideline linesperson called hospital balls Novak was waiting to crush out, Stan challenges and they replay the point. I will say this it was a terribly officiated 5th set, but it was evenly bad officiating job. If they don't do it already they need to rotate the linespeople because I think that late in the night they started to get fatigued you need a lot of intense focus for that job and after 5 hrs it is normal to make mistakes.

But unfortunately, there are some, a minority of for sure, of federer fans who do whatever they can to denigrate the tennis being played today, the great matches we are witnessing, and the great champions. Could you imagine fed winning under the same exact circumstances and anyone, anyone calling it a robbery. If Federer was in Novak's shoes JM and BB would still be stroking Federer and his greatness right now, and so would half the other people on this site. But no Djokovic wins and it is robbery. That call had little or nothing to do with the outcome. If the correct call would be made Stan would have break point and Novak would have a first serve, which based on statistics Novak saves that break point almost 70 percent of the time. And Novak as well suffered some poor and inopportune calls. But I am used to dealing with the cult of Federer and the strange supplicants it attracts. Again not all fed fans, just the extreme ones who have to love fed while they hate everything else about tennis and almost every other modern champion.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:30 am

It is just a sad fact socal that players such as Novak and Andy will never be accepted as greats of the sport by certain people and you will never change that I am afraid. This thread is proof of that in that instead of the OP starting a topic to discuss an early candidate for match of the year he creates one to stir up nonsense to discredit the world No.1. Check out the discussion when the match was on as well and people were purring over Stan's play and rightly so but when Novak's defence was out of this world as was his fighting qualities people tried talking it down as mere physical fitness. Clearly fans of another player still in the open aching for Djokovic to be knocked out to give their man a better chance. That in itself can be taken as a compliment though as that displays how much they fear Novak. Having the sentiments of wanting a big rival eliminated is fair enough but to do so by losing the decency of giving credit where it is due is pretty sad.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:48 am

Yes craig you and I both have experienced the same double standards and hypocrisy in regards to our favorite player. You know and I know that if Federer was in Djoko's position and won this match coming back from 6-1 and 5-2 not a single one of the sanctimonous individuals would be calling out asteriks and robbery, not one. The fact is that if you hate everything about every other modern champion and the modern game and you only love federer, well guess what you aren't a tennis fan you are federer fan boy. I mean could you imagine roger coming back and playing a tough 5 setter like this even with a call half way through the 5th going the other way and people shrieking about asteriks and robbery.

Remember after the incredible Murray and Djokoic semi last year how everyone was talking it down as the worst match ever. Yes the worst match ever with the fans giving standing ovation after standng ovation and the media giving rave revues. Again, I want to be clear it isn't all fed fans, just an odd fed extemist who hates everything else about the game today and every other great champion but Roger. These people just aren't tennis fans by definition they are federer groupies. You never hear me talking down other great players or the young players today who have a high hill to climb, yet I am the negative one, I am the aggressive one, meanwhile I have to ignore charges of robbery and asteriks and just grin and bear it.

i mean I didn't come on here to post, I haven't for two months. I didn't come here to fight with anyone just to read some commentary. And I got ambushed this ridiculous nonsense and I couldn't hold back. The man had a challenge and didn't use it, why is even talking to the umpire and letting him make the call. Not to mention the numerous other bad calls in that 5th that went against Novak. Not one mention that Novak has now been to 15 straight quarters going 3rd on the list with connors and Fed, a wonderful record. Not one mention of what a great job Novak did or what a great match it was, all that I read was attacks and bogus smears based on little or no facts, which didn't take into account the other side of the story at all.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:00 am

I think if everyone here is being honest we are all biased in favour of our own player I don't think anyone would deny that. Yes I am biased in favour of Andy Murray but not to the point of talking down other great players no matter the circumstances and I am proud of that. Even in painful times of Murray slam defeats I always like to think I have had the good grace to congratulate the champion. Sadly, some can't do that. Rafa was first to get the flak as he was the chief challenger and now Novak has that mantle it is his turn and likewise Murray as well. Pretty pathetic in my eyes as they are all fabulous players and I will never lose sight of that. Tennis experts an ex-pros as well know class when they see it but sadly some posters only have eyes for their player and as far as they are concerned the rest can go to hell.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:45 am

That is the thing craig, I laugh when extremist fed fans claim that they are the ones who are true tennis fans. They diss every other great player today, every one. They hate on great matches played by Murray v. Djoko, or Djoko v. Nadal. Matches that the critics rave about, the fans in attendance are up giving standing ovations. I know I am biased towards Novak just like you are towards murray. But I give credit where it is due just like you, and I can appreciate numerous other players on tour and the modern game. I hated Novak's loss to Murray at the USO, it was brutally painful. You are witness here did I not congratulate murray and talk about his great performance? Did I claim that murray only won because of the wind, slow conditions, or that murray was a boring grinder? When Novak beat murray at the AO, did you come onto this site and claim that because murray lost the game stank and Novak was a talentless lung merchant?

Every major critic you hear about calls this era strong, the match quality high, and raves about the quality of the champions we are witnessing. Not the federer jock sniffers, everything is crap except the golden pressence of Federer. To me that isn't a tennis fan. I mean the extent these people went to disgrace and deligitimize Nadal is so distasteful and so grotesque that any fair person would simply recognize them for the loser fan boys they really are. Do you think I like it when Nadal stops Novak from getting the career slam and 4 slams in a row? No I don't, but I don't call him a doper, a cheat, or claim that when he gets injured it is due to super secret suspension. When federer retires hopefully they can go back to cheering for manchester united and leave us real tennis fans alone.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:56 am

Yes in my book that is the way to be. Graceful and congratulatory in defeat and be man enough your player lost to the better player on the day. That sort of poster earns my respect not the sort armed with excuses for their players loss and unable to take defeats like a civilised person. I have never picked up a tennis racquet in my life but I can certainly appreciate the top players talents whether it is their attacking shots, their mind-blowing defence, their mental resilience, their pace, power and fitness. Sadly, we have to accept others don't think that way.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:03 am

Yes we don't have a choice unfortunately. I just find it amusing that they consider themselves the only real tennis fans and actually say so. That is like someone who only likes messi and thinks all other football is garbage and the game stinks except for messi claiming they are the real football fans. Boy it is sure hard to love the greatest and most perfect tennis player ever. Either way I know how to deal with these people. Give them no quarter and ask for no quarter. Many federer fans aren't like this, their love of federer doesn't translate to animosity of other players, that is fine, it shows they have respect for the game itself and not a bizarre fascination with one man.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:05 am

Can't argue with any of that. Hey its Murray time.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:07 am

PS Craig you should take a few lessons when you have the time it will make you enjoy watching the game more. You don't have to become an advanced player but a few lessons from a good pro will give you some insight on the technique of the game. If you can give it a go craig, my dad started playing in his mid thirties and became a pretty good player.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:09 am

I'll let you get back to the tennis I am DVR recording and watching Gazza and Tsonga. So don't tell me what happens.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:11 am

Too old and too fat for that me thinks. Feel sorry for Simon here. Looks shattered.

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:11 am

Okay enjoy that socal. Nice chatting again.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:12 am

Always craig take care

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:38 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:It is just a sad fact socal that players such as Novak and Andy will never be accepted as greats of the sport by certain people and you will never change that I am afraid.

I agree CC. Equally as sad as the fact that Hewitt, Roddick and Safin will never be accepted as greats of the sport by certain people (not you). And the way other slam winners and No 1's are dismissed as lucky or asterisked or in a weak era, as a way of boosting their own favourite player or having a go at players/posters they don't like.
Except of course, in those cases, the posters are only being rational and objective and anyone who disagrees is clearly a (flll in the insult) Wink

It's all staggeringly juvenile (and I include the OP in that.)

by CaledonianCraig Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:18 pm

I think that argument works both ways though. Each slam winner deserves their credit of that there is no doubt and asterisking slams is a childish thing to suggest. People who want to laud Fed's achievements will invariably talk up the era Fed won slams in but in less successful times talk down todays champions. On the other side of the coin you will have those Djokovic or Murray fans even some Nadal and Fed fans (to be fair) who recognise todays players as great champions whilst wanting to negate early 2000's in Holly Wilaboobie for tat with Fed fans or some just genuinely belueve what they are saying and are not being WUM's.

by Josiah Maiestas Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:25 pm

socal1976 wrote:I had a laugh at that thread title IMBL, you are learning how to goad the federophiles I see. It is a talent that I have honed over the years as well. It is good to see that at least you keep things interesting in my hiatus.

Maybe Socal if you declined to post dribble and inflammatory remarks like this your posts would not be deleted as much. It's obvious at that point the umpire was not even looking at the ball and just decided to accept Djokovic declaring that the ball was out. Btw, to see a good example of sportsmanship here is one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwuz_woPOk&playnext=1&list=PL57C85EAA390F87A9&feature=results_video

Still waiting to see something as commendable as this from the Serb..

by **laverfan** Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:17 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
socal1976 wrote:I had a laugh at that thread title IMBL, you are learning how to goad the federophiles I see. It is a talent that I have honed over the years as well. It is good to see that at least you keep things interesting in my hiatus.

Maybe Socal if you declined to post dribble and inflammatory remarks like this your posts would not be deleted as much. It's obvious at that point the umpire was not even looking at the ball and just decided to accept Djokovic declaring that the ball was out. Btw, to see a good example of sportsmanship here is one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwuz_woPOk&playnext=1&list=PL57C85EAA390F87A9&feature=results_video

Still waiting to see something as commendable as this from the Serb..

But, when Djokovic told Roddick to challenge an out-of-bounds call it seemed different to me. First, if Djokovic was wrong, it costs Roddick a challenge. Secondly, there was nothing to confess to.

Given that the reversal ended up squaring the match when Djokovic was up a break and Roddick went on to win the set and, with it, the match, it seemed beyond sportsmanlike and almost self-loathing. While I can say that I have a newfound respect for Djokovic now, I can also say that I agree with those that might be wondering if he's half-crazy.

Perhaps sportsmanship should not go to this length. However, it would certainly be great if more athletes at least started moving toward this direction.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/236643-novak-djokovics-incredible-show-of-sportsmanship

Do you need me to dig up a video, JM? Wink

by summerblues Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:41 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Still waiting to see something as commendable as this from the Serb..

I like Feds as much as the next person, and this was nice (though in Basel against a Swiss opponent in a match that was likely pretty much wrapped up anyway) and there are certain aspects of Djokovic's behavior that I am not a huge fan of but this is specifically one area where I hold Nole in pretty high regard.

One example where I was quite impressed with him was in the last year's RG final. There was a point where Nole was totally out of position, and managed to somehow get the ball back in, but only to be easily put away by Rafa. However, Nole's shot was initially incorrectly called out. The referee ordered the point to be replayed (not much else he could have done I think), yet Nole volunteered and gave that point to Rafa.

by Henman Bill Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:06 pm

Socal I quote you as saying:
"I came in to enjoy a good read on the match and I read a bunch of fantasy posts by deluded individuals claiming this is robbery."
And also
"I had a laugh at that thread title IMBL, you are learning how to goad the federophiles I see. It is a talent that I have honed over the years as well."

In other words you comment that you come on here to have a good analysis are are upset by somewumming, then admit that yourself like do do some goading, - which is virtually the same thing.

by lags72 Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:18 pm

HB : good observation.

Says it all really.

But when the personal insults start flying (rather than just sticking to tennis) some of socal's posts become more than just harmless wummery and goading.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:04 pm

Henman Bill wrote:Socal I quote you as saying:
"I came in to enjoy a good read on the match and I read a bunch of fantasy posts by deluded individuals claiming this is robbery."
And also
"I had a laugh at that thread title IMBL, you are learning how to goad the federophiles I see. It is a talent that I have honed over the years as well."

In other words you comment that you come on here to have a good analysis are are upset by somewumming, then admit that yourself like do do some goading, - which is virtually the same thing.

Henman Bill you are experienced to know that in life it is all about gradations and everything is relative. What I was referring to was IMBL's thread "Nadal's heroic return", this is at most a tongue and cheek needle, I mean it isn't even going after anyone. There is a difference between this thread title and some tennis non-fan posting an article called "Robbery" as a clear assault Novak. Tell me who could be offended by calling Nadal's return from injury heroic, maybe a few diehard Nadal haters but it is all in good fun and not meant as a negative swipe on anyone. But trying to denigrate a man's effort after 5 hour classic as Robbery, with little to no facts to back it up, is a clear smear and insult and meant as such. This is a tennis forum and of course a little banter is fine and some humor. That is what IMBL's thread was a humorous exaggeration not meant to insult anyone or their fans.

Now take for example a thread that calls Novak's incredible victory Robbery based on the most shadiest and non-senical analysis of the 5th set and what actually happened. This was meant to denigrate a player and to steal the credit and honor that is due to him after this match. It comes from dark intentions and a place of disrespect and aggression. Therefore if you start with aggression and bias and take a run at my favorite player. I am happy to forcefully expose your conduct and call you on it regardless of who gets upset. The term itself is a loaded term, Robbery is the worst kind of theft, as one who practiced criminal law it is the most heavily punished thievery. There is regular lifting, then there is burglary, robbery means theft with force or threat of bodily harm and is one of the most serious felonies in the common law system. Basically murder, r***, and kidnapping are the only traditional crimes viewed worse than robbery. If anything is criminal it is Josiah's abuse of logic and the english language with this bizarre analogy and loaded terminology meant to demean and disrespect.

by socal1976 Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:08 pm

lags72 wrote:HB : good observation.

Says it all really.

But when the personal insults start flying (rather than just sticking to tennis) some of socal's posts become more than just harmless wummery and goading.

Like which one please, just one specific example. You claim I am aggressive yet you fail to address the aggressive terminology that instigated my aggression. If you are going to level a charge you should be honorable enough, and I feel that you are honorable, to at least specifically point to what you are talking about. I refer you to my response to Henman bill. Please read it and tell me how my logic is flawed. Have I ever attacked you lags? Have ever called you a name, if someone posts stupid, denigrating, dishonest, nonsense I am not going to grin and bear it. And it has nothing to do with Novak, I have been accused of being a Nadal fan of all things when I take exception to the vague innuendos surrounding Nadal and his supposed conduct on and off the court.

by User 774433 Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:12 pm

socal1976 wrote:

Henman Bill you are experienced to know that in life it is all about gradations and everything is relative. What I was referring to was IMBL's thread "Nadal's heroic return", this is at most a tongue and cheek needle, I mean it isn't even going after anyone. There is a difference between this thread title and some tennis non-fan posting an article called "Robbery" as a clear assault Novak. Tell me who could be offended by calling Nadal's return from injury heroic, maybe a few diehard Nadal haters but it is all in good fun and not meant as a negative swipe on anyone. But trying to denigrate a man's effort after 5 hour classic as Robbery, with little to no facts to back it up, is a clear smear and insult and meant as such. This is a tennis forum and of course a little banter is fine and some humor. That is what IMBL's thread was a humorous exaggeration not meant to insult anyone or their fans.

Now take for example a thread that calls Novak's incredible victory Robbery based on the most shadiest and non-senical analysis of the 5th set and what actually happened. This was meant to denigrate a player and to steal the credit and honor that is due to him after this match. It comes from dark intentions and a place of disrespect and aggression. Therefore if you start with aggression and bias and take a run at my favorite player. I am happy to forcefully expose your conduct and call you on it regardless of who gets upset. The term itself is a loaded term, Robbery is the worst kind of theft, as one who practiced criminal law it is the most heavily punished thievery. There is regular lifting, then there is burglary, robbery means theft with force or threat of bodily harm and is one of the most serious felonies in the common law system. Basically murder, r***, and kidnapping are the only traditional crimes viewed worse than robbery. If anything is criminal it is Josiah's abuse of logic and the english language with this bizarre analogy and loaded terminology meant to demean and disrespect.

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