Robbery

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Umpire Molina has denied Wawrinka the victory today.

bogbrush wrote:It's done though, nobody wanted to do wrong.

Onward to the quarter.

Indeed. Stan seemed quite philosophical about it in his interview:

"But, no, I cannot say I was unlucky for that. When you play five hours, for sure you have some option to win. You need to fight to stay with him. I don't think it's not one bad call or one challenge that can change the match."

Quite a gracious response. Well played, that man!

I agree, that's a classy response after a defeat that must've still been fairly raw. Good on him!

Thanks for the opinions, HM & Danny

So even in the "Milky Bar Galaxy, Space above and beyond" the great Emancipator can be plagued by such earthly and mundane matters as a streaming lag .......?

Who would have thought it ......

Excellent and honourable reaction to defeat by Stan the Man. His performance today looks all the more impressive

When asked, Molina, without hesitation, said the ball was out. Cahill/Gilbert/Fowler on ESPN said that it was worth a challenge, and ESPN Shotspot confirmed their initial assessment.

Stan, very gracious in defeat, as his post match comment indicates. This should help motivate Stan to play better.

Not surprising that the fed apologists think this an asteriks. By the way Novak lost two points on that last set on bogus out calls that Wawrinka challenged and the call was overturned. When those calls one being a forehand at deuce on Stan's serve late in the fifth Novak was standing over a virtual gimme forehand for break point and the linesman called a floated shot on the liine out. This allowed Wawrinka to replay a point that he had virtually no chance of winning.

Furthermore, they would have replayed break point, it was not a clear winner Novak got the shot back and actually hit a decent shot off of it. So why do you think that Stan would have necessarily won the replay.

In short this silly one sidede, biased, and disrespetful thread is what I have come to expect. I came in to enjoy a good read on the match and I read a bunch of fantasy posts by deluded individuals claiming this is robbery. No it isn't they replay the point.

Furthermore, you have shot spot, if you choose to rely on the umpire's decision that is your fault. Additionally, it wasn't a winner they would have replayed a first serve and Djokovic was also hurt with numerous bad calls by the linesman.

Threads like this filled with lies, ie that Stan would have broken serve if that call had been correct, really they replay the point, Novak got to the ball and hit it in. And Novak also had numerous bad calls against him, typical of the attitude of some bitter moaners who have take away credit from other great players in their attempts at ritual hero worship of their yahweh federer.

Just can't let the man enjoy a great win can you, oh well see u later.

Socal,
Djoko did get his racket on it, but not over the net.
Whether the point would be replayed or not is upto te umpire depending on how late he felt the call was.

Agree Djokovic did get some annoying calls from the line judges too, where he had to replay points.

I'm still upset for Stan though- he should have challenged!

Anyway it's all over and done now, Djoko through to next round to face Berdych.

Yes IMBL at least on two occasions he lost points on replay where he was in a clearly dominant position do to botched call on a floater close to the line.

Stan made a mistake and it cost him, why do you ask the umpire, make the call, in fact it is a violation of the rule that gets tolerated for you to chat it up with the umpire and then decide to challenge afterwards. Regardless reading this thread is a laugh these fed worshippers pick out a point halfway through the set and ignore the numerous inopportune calls that went the other way. Either way it was stan's fault challenge the call that is what the technology is there for. If you want to make it a conference call with the official then you are the one who is letting him change your mind by asking.

Yes I feel for Stan as well, but to claim the match was a robbery after Wawrinka blew the call by not challenging, after Djoko lost points in that set with bad lines calls as well, and after Wawrinka blew 6-1 5-2 lead is height of stupidity. Why am I not surpised at who the OP is and who the most aggrieved person is claiming it is an asteriks. Of course, typical, moronic one side drivel by the OP. I wish this was old 606 so I can give it zero stars.

Socal, good to see you back on here.

Ignoring the controversy, you must be pretty chuffed that Novak came through another marathon and showed such guts.

Augers well for him for the rest of the tournament.

How often have you seen a player ask the umpire if it was OK he says yes but the player still ask for Hawkeye and the umpire is proved to be wrong!

Stan should have done this also, he didn't, his loss unfortunately.

Anyway he played probably the best tennis in has career to date but I would still have put money on Novak getting the win here.

How is going socal?

Danny, nice to talk to you as well. I most likely won't stick around for very much but thanks for saying hello.

Well Novak is playing well but the competition is extremely tough, I think Murray is looking great as well so it really is up in the air. Berdych has been untouchable in his first 4 matches so Novak will have to play more consistently. He looked absolutely like garbage in the first set and half. Wawrinka was playing great but Novak was donating a lot of errors and seemed to have so much trouble slipping around with his footing.

Not bad sportslover, busy with a new business, new lady friend, new condo, new car things couldn't be sweeter. Nice to hear from you as well.

On this non-controversy, if you have the technology and a challenge left make the call. NOt to mention the numerous other terrible line calls in this match. Novak had his fair share of the bad calls as well, this one Stan had the power to challenge and didn't. Tell me what do you do when and absolute meatball forehand floated on the line is called out, and then the replay shows it was in. Novak lost more than one point on bogus out calls when he was in charge of the point and looking to finish. They call a fcuking hospital ball with him standing halfway in the court out, and then stan gets a first serve and plays the point over. Yeah apparently only bad calls that work in favor of Djokovic matter, not the other bad calls in that set.

You should stick around mate. There aren't enough Novak fans on here.

I understand the pessimism about Novak, he was on the back foot a lot today and coughed up loads if errors on the forehand. Particularly down the line. But the bottom line is he's through, and probably won't play as inconsistently as that again.

Plus, Murray's most inconsistent slam of 2012 in terms of performances was the US open... So for me it matters very little how patchy Novak was. It matters that he's through. I wouldn't be surprised if he nailed Berdy in straights.

He's still my favourite for the tournament.

Credit to Wawrinka he played the match of his life and deserved to pull the upset, being up 6-1 and 5-2 and losing the second and third set would have crushed lesser players. But stan kept it together when everyone thought that 4th set was going to be a walkover after the hearbreaking nature of Novak's comeback.

Socal's back!

And good to hear things are going well for you too.

Seriously, you should stick around.

This is a heroic return

Nearly of Nadal Chile proportions.

Danny, I like most of the posters and even the ones I have had issues with are not the reason that I left this site. I can't stand the censorship, I have had too many of my posts deleted through abuse of moderation. Why should I post on site if my stuff gets thrown in the trash can based on poor moderating decisions. Either way, Novak I think will turn around and win. I like Andy but he is the one guy I don't want to see in the final. This year if Novak and Andy play in the final they could break the 6 hour mark.

I have never seen Stan return that aggressively and I think it flustered and rattled djokovic. Stan's biggest weakness is his return. He generally just floats them back off of both sides but early on he was coming over the return almost every time and it caught Novak by surprise. Also I don't know why he was slipping around and falling over and over again in the first set and half. He changed shoes and it stopped happening, maybe he just needed some new tires.

Hey murdoch, I am waiting for it to go dark so I can pop open some Mac on the rocks. It is 1pm here and I anticipating a night time toast to the two great competitors we witnessed. One double for Stan and his wonderful effort, a second double whiskey for Novak and his effort, and of course I have to have one for myself as well.

I had a laugh at that thread title IMBL, you are learning how to goad the federophiles I see. It is a talent that I have honed over the years as well. It is good to see that at least you keep things interesting in my hiatus.

Lol

socal1976 wrote:Hey murdoch, I am waiting for it to go dark so I can pop open some Mac on the rocks. It is 1pm here and I anticipating a night time toast to the two great competitors we witnessed. One double for Stan and his wonderful effort, a second double whiskey for Novak and his effort, and of course I have to have one for myself as well.

I actually poured mine just before I signed in here!

I think today's match took some years off my life! It's always exciting in hindsight with Novak... but boy is it hard work at the time!

Hope you stick around on here.

Thanks Murdoch, this is why we are fans isn't it. I mean if you want elegance and perfection you go with federer. Being a Novak fan is like watching a high wire act, I just hope he has the legs left. Berdy is looking very tough. I think Novak will come out though and quickly get up on Berdych so Thomas starts thinking about his 1-11 h2h against the serbinator.

Oh I hope it is Andy v Novak! After their incredible matches last year, the vast majority classics settled by 1 or 2 points, why not have another?

In AO 2011 Nole basically handed Berdych a triple bagel, I wouldn't be too worried

Danny_1982 wrote:Oh I hope it is Andy v Novak! After their incredible matches last year, the vast majority classics settled by 1 or 2 points, why not have another?

Because their legs might fall off

Yeah, I've been impressed with Berd so far. He really hung tough in the tie breaker today. He seems to struggle with the Novak match up but I'm taking nothing for granted.

I've got to log off now but I hope you stick around for week 2 of the Antipodean slam!

Nice to see posters returning.

Pity to see them do so with a gratuitous insult straight off.

It Must Be Love wrote:

Danny_1982 wrote:Oh I hope it is Andy v Novak! After their incredible matches last year, the vast majority classics settled by 1 or 2 points, why not have another?

Because their legs might fall off

Ha, true. They certainly make each other earn the victory!

@Danny, I will be honest danny as a Novak fan that is the one guy I fear. I think Novak would prefer to play Roger on this court in the final than to play Murray.

Yes IMBL, but as we saw tonight we can't completely look at past matches. But I agree with your assessment Novak most likely will cut up Berdy early and often. The tricky thing for Novak will be the first set, he needs the first set against Berdy, I don't think he can win this tournament if he has another battle like this back to back.

OH BB, I miss you to, you don't think that I would come back with hugs and kisses do you? That really isn't my style. I actually did miss you, your bizarre views on tennis and the world in general excepted. I actually hadn't even read anything on this site for awhile, this match made me want to come back and just read stuff on the match, not post. Then I read your asteriks coomment and it made me see red. I must say you do really know how to wind me up. You got me to post again, although I doubt I will be around for long. Today your flirtatious asteriks post got me a bit erect and I had to take your bait, congratulations.

I can assure you I had no intention to get you erect.

In fact even this thread was without bile, as you'd see from my post quoted by Murdoch at the top of this page. It isn't necessary.

Well BB don't make sexy accusations of asteriks unless you want me to get a hardon, you have been forewarned. Of course I can't say that I have never thrown out a misguided asteriks comment here or there.

It Must Be Love wrote:Socal,
Djoko did get his racket on it, but not over the net.
Whether the point would be replayed or not is upto te umpire depending on how late he felt the call was.

Agree Djokovic did get some annoying calls from the line judges too, where he had to replay points.

Just for the record Novak hit the ball back in the court, just saw the replay, at most it would have been a replayed point on Novak's serve. The same thing happened to Novak on at least two other occassions in that set. He lost points that he was on top of because of bad outcalls that had to be replayed.

BB what did you think of Wawrinka's Mtos, would you have been enraged if he won after calling for the trainer, I know how much you like the use of MTOs in a close match.

Look, if you're returning allow me one piece of indulgence to suggest an approach that excludes calling names or encouraging goading. I've noticed this place is really good without you or I here so I'm determined to conform to the high standard set by others.

If people say stupid and inflammatory craap, I reserve my right to call them on it. Don't worry, I am happy to leave this forum and I doubt this appearance will be anything but a cameo. But I am intrigued why the greatest critic of MTOs seemingly kept mum on Wawrinka's frequent use the trainer that is all asking for your opinion. Do you approve of Wawrinka using the trainer, if so why do you go so ballistic when Novak or Nadal call for a trainer?

You really think I am the one doing the goading when Josiah does a thread called "robbery" and you claim that if Novak wins it will be an asteriks slam? Interesting, we have never seen eye to eye but you seem to have an odd understanding of goading and who goaded who. I haven't posted here for almost two months. In fact, it was you and Josiah's goading of Djokovic fans that caused me to post in the first place.

Ill leave Josiah to defend himself, as I'm sure he's well capable, but I can only repeat my last post, and refer you to my final word on the article topic.

ah so you conveniently don't answer the question regarding Wawrinka's MTO and use of the trainer. Fair enough at least it is established that your hatred of MTOs and trainer use only arises if Novak or Nadal call the trainer.

Why?

We all know that if Djokovic had been the one to call for the trainer and he had won this match you would have gone ballistic, but not even a mention of Wawrinka's use of the trainer. I personally don't care about the trainer issue but it seems that you lack any balance or consistency on this issue as you routinely have criticized Novak and Nadal for the same actions.

Is this what you've come back for?

Yes, precisely, to put a damper on your bias and the bias of other people who crap on Djokovic's accomplishment and make a mythical Robbery thread devoid of the facts.

Facts:

1. Stan had a challenge chose not to use it

2. If the call got overturned it would not of been a break Novak got the ball back into the middle of the court, at most it would have been a Novak first serve

3. Novak had numerous bad calls in that match when he was on top of the point and was forced to play replays on points he was in a dominant position on.

Socal goes Benitez style

BB, do you really think it is officially asterisked or was that a cheeky joke/ wind up? You know, you like to see yourself as good and Socal as bad but it takes two to tango, you two are as bad as each other when talking to each other, I don't know why you bother. It is a pointless feud.

Really harsh on Stan by the way. I wish the correct call had been made.

Also commendable of him to say it was his best ever performance, even in defeat. Some players won't admit or even see how well they played in defeat.

HB, this title is already asterisked anyway.

Virginia Wade has confirmed it.

LOL, IMBL I enjoy a good talk about tennis but I also am not frightened to call someone on their BS, especially in light of me getting accused of goading on a thread called , "robbery".

Henman Bill nice to see you again, one of the fairest poster on the thread and one of the most knowledgeable. I actually don't want to fight Henman bill, but if people smear my favorite player and denigrate him on a load of nonsense then I am more than happy to call them on it.

I just wonder where is the outrage towards Wawrinka and his crime against god and nature in using an MTO. I mean if Nadal uses and MTO or Djokovic does certain individuals can not control their rage, but funny no criticisms by those same critic of stan's use of the MTO.