From the pages of the ring magazine: Boxing's great enigma; Floyd - where did it go wrong?

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This will be an attempt to discuss a recent article on Floyd Mayweather from the Ring magazine. Please do not try to make this the usual claptrap arguments, nor drag this onto any of the usual issues. Nor is this about a certain boxer from the Philippines - this is JUST about Floyd's career and where it went right - and where it went wrong.

Off topic posts and WUMery will therefore be removed. I believe that the board is capable of discussing the issues around the best/second best boxer in the world today, without wummery or infighting. Prove me right.

The ring magazine in their recent online issue discussed Floyd's career - 10 points it "went wrong", 5 points where it "went right".

First the bad:
10. He was given too much too soon. Came out of the Olympics as a bronze medallist and was hot property, but still wanted more - remember "slave contract?"
9. The Mayweather family. I don't think its unfair to question their influences over baby-Floyd as role models. Would he have done better without them?
8. Brittle hands. Has made some of his fights stinkers - yes he fights like a genius; but he would merely potshot and occasionally slap for 12 rounds.
7. Defensively minded. He found something he does very very well. So he started doing nothing else. And however impressive it is, it looks rubbish.
6. Perfectionism. Foreman once said "Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the harder it is to appreciate". Or something like that. Mayweather epitomises this.
5. Played it safe on the biggest night of his life. ODLH SD 12. Enough said. Could have done SO much more for the appeal of the sport with a TKO.
4. Control freak. For example - Drug testing on Manny after never asking for it for one of his previous 39 fights. It might have happened by now otherwise...
3. He Retired. Retirement made Manny the "man". Good work, Floyd.
2. He's immature. For example the racist and homophobic ustream rants. Manny Steward declared it - Floyd is a "big kid".
1. Personal life overshadows boxing. Supporters say it doesn't matter - but when is ex is on a trolley because of him - it doesn't do much for the sport's image

Then the good:
5. He's caught the "reality TV" audience. His 24/7s are a damn site more interesting than anyone else's.
4. He captured the African-American audience. He gives a large market a continued interest in the sport.
3. Maybe boxing fans aren't that fickle. In spite of a "dull style" - he's still manages to get millions to tune in to watch his cold boxing clinics.
2. He's undefeated. OK - so was Ottke, but he didn't beat the class Floyd beat - and his 41-0 means a lot to him and his fans
1. He dominates. He's economical and he doesn't make mistakes. He owns the ring when he's in it like few others in the sport today.

Before people say about how his image helps his "popularity" - bear in mind that he is currently the 360th most popular celeb on twitter. Charlie Sheen gained more followers in a couple of hours than Floyd has period.

He is popular - but not as popular as he could have been; and when he retires, I think its fair to say that his career won't have hit the heights it could have done.

Where's next for Floyd? The Ring are trashing him; sports illustrated aren't his biggest fans. He hasn't fought in a year and he's got legal issues. Will the Floyd era end with a whimper?

Full article: http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/166865-from-the-pages-of-the-ring-magazine-

I'm going to step in and back up Atom here.

Keep it on the original topic. We don't need the usual bickering and returning topic.

Cheers DT

In short it all went wrong when Pacquiao stepped up 3 weight classes in a year and destroyed Oscar De La Hoya. Pacquiao cleans up lightweight and has and 3rd fight with Marquez before stepping up beating Hatton/Bradley and retiring.

If that does not happen, Floyd could come back and fight the likes of Mosley, Berto, Jones and Brook. Maybe even rematch Hatton or Oscar.

The cracks in his record would be paved over, the fights that never happen don't get looked into to closely.

He doesn't have his run in with the law and would probably announced his final retirement this year and most would not be any the wiser about him.

D4thincarnation wrote:In short it all went wrong when Pacquiao stepped up 3 weight classes in a year and destroyed Oscar De La Hoya. Pacquiao cleans up lightweight and has and 3rd fight with Marquez before stepping up beating Hatton/Bradley and retiring.

If that does not happen, Floyd could come back and fight the likes of Mosley, Berto, Jones and Brook. Maybe even rematch Hatton or Oscar.

The cracks in his record would be paved over, the fights that never happen don't get looked into to closely.

He doesn't have his run in with the law and would probably announced his final retirement this year and most would not be any the wiser about him.

So if indeed it actually has gone wrong for mayweather - which is debatable, the reason behind it is manny pacquiao? Well now we know, thanks for clearing that up D4, for a while there this was being debated sensibly and objectively, thank god you arrived.

@sugarboysweetie
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It did go wrong for him in many ways with the emergence of Pacquiao at higher weights, he destroyed fighters in Margarito and Cotto who Mayweather ran to the hills from, instead fighting fighters not in the same league in Baldomir and Judah (on a defeat), also beat Hatton in much better style, and has caught the public's imagination due to his kind down to earth nature, Mayweather isnt respectful and isnt happy about Manny been in the spotlight, he is obviously rattled as well by what he's been saying, which is beautiful to see that Manny's got to him. I dont think you can deny things going wrong arent down to a part played by Manny, who is destroying everybody in his wake, beat the man at LWW, destroyed a world class welter and future HOF in Cotto to take another higher weight title, in my opinion definitely wants the fight more than Mayweather does.

I do love how some people come up with such hypocritical views on here

Scottrf wrote:

Perfessor Albertus Lion V wrote:Mr. Moneybags has yet to take or ever demand the testing that he required of Mr. Manny

http://www.usada.org/default.asp?uid=2730 says you are wrong.

However, I'm pretty sure he didn't before negotiations with Pacquiao first started.

~ Well done sir, not a complete FAIL, but a half FAIL for admitting you were only pretty sure about when Mr. Moneybags demanded Olympic style testing.

Where you failed was in interpreting the data which is clearly NOT random and has a blood testing cut off of 2 weeks before the fight which was the sticking point that Mr. Moneybags would not budge on.

NOT the "Olympic" testing he demanded, which has such a poor history that admitted cheats like Marian Jones and others passed dozens, sometimes over a hundred such tests.

It's really quite easy to defeat the dolts at USADA because the real experts on PEDs are the trainers and Docs who administer the athletes, and they sure ain't throwing away their gravy trains to go straight unless busted.

You seem like a reasonable chap, so I pray you haven't fallen into the long tentacles of the soft lads from the beeb who migrated here and fill cyberspace with their silly putty through the looking glass never-never land nonsense.

Mr. Moneybags has leveraged his undefeated record by careful selection the past few years. It fell to Mr. Manny to fight the long time top 5 Ring welters, a few of them P4Pers and pick up the slack on abandoned big money fights, the ODH/Hatton rematches.

Mr. Moneybags has lost the plot as a convicted criminal with a long rap sheet and probation history before his latest ill considered savagery involving his family that will see some time behind bars. Safer than getting knocked out as he almost found out against Mr. Mosley.

All things come to their final fruition and one has to remember the great Carlos Monzon who could not control his maniacal impulses either-----RIP

Perfessor Albertus Lion V wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Perfessor Albertus Lion V wrote:Mr. Moneybags has yet to take or ever demand the testing that he required of Mr. Manny

http://www.usada.org/default.asp?uid=2730 says you are wrong.

However, I'm pretty sure he didn't before negotiations with Pacquiao first started.

~ Well done sir, not a complete FAIL, but a half FAIL for admitting you were only pretty sure about when Mr. Moneybags demanded Olympic style testing.

Where you failed was in interpreting the data which is clearly NOT random and has a blood testing cut off of 2 weeks before the fight which was the sticking point that Mr. Moneybags would not budge on.

NOT the "Olympic" testing he demanded, which has such a poor history that admitted cheats like Marian Jones and others passed dozens, sometimes over a hundred such tests.

It's really quite easy to defeat the dolts at USADA because the real experts on PEDs are the trainers and Docs who administer the athletes, and they sure ain't throwing away their gravy trains to go straight unless busted.

You seem like a reasonable chap, so I pray you haven't fallen into the long tentacles of the soft lads from the beeb who migrated here and fill cyberspace with their silly putty through the looking glass never-never land nonsense.

Mr. Moneybags has leveraged his undefeated record by careful selection the past few years. It fell to Mr. Manny to fight the long time top 5 Ring welters, a few of them P4Pers and pick up the slack on abandoned big money fights, the ODH/Hatton rematches.

Mr. Moneybags has lost the plot as a convicted criminal with a long rap sheet and probation history before his latest ill considered savagery involving his family that will see some time behind bars. Safer than getting knocked out as he almost found out against Mr. Mosley.

All things come to their final fruition and one has to remember the great Carlos Monzon who could not control his maniacal impulses either-----RIP

You fail for thinking that because they didn't test the day before that there was a cut off. There was no cut off, it was random, as the link states.

Pretty sure was just a more tactful way of saying that I know, as someone else disagreed.

It's clear he has never had a real interest in making the fight.

I do love how some people come up with such hypocritical views on here
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What were you saying?

Scottrf wrote:
You fail for thinking that because they didn't test the day before that there was a cut off. There was no cut off, it was random, as the link states.

~ Sir, clearly there was a 2 week blood testing cut off a blind Miss Jones and Mr. Conte could have waltzed a dance marathon through.

Moreover, all the days they were tested were in near perfect synchrony for the duration of the test.

NOT random Olympic style testing in this universe. Gots to take the silly putty short bus to never-never land to see that as random Olympic style test.

I don't think you understand random. They clearly state "no allowances for black-out or cut-off dates".

Learn to read before questioning me please.

Scottrf wrote:I don't think you understand random. They clearly state "no allowances for black-out or cut-off dates".

Learn to read before questioning me please.

absolutely priceless

@ Sugar boy
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If Manny destroys and becomes the first guy to stop Mosley you will all say the same thing, when he absolutely destroyed Hatton who was coming off the back of a punch perfect display in destroying Malignaggi everyone said the same thing, its getting boring, he's not even a boxer no more he's retired, George Foreman fights more often.

Steven_89 wrote:@ Sugar boy
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If Manny destroys and becomes the first guy to stop Mosley you will all say the same thing, when he absolutely destroyed Hatton who was coming off the back of a punch perfect display in destroying Malignaggi everyone said the same thing, its getting boring, he's not even a boxer no more he's retired, George Foreman fights more often.

I expect Mosely to get stopped. He is damaged goods now. Floyd finished him of when he gave him a comprehensive and sustained beating. Plus SSM is older, slower and possibly his punch resistance is getting worse. It's a travesty that he is getting a shot at a world belt since he is coming of a comprehensive loss and draw in his last 2 fights. I suppose if Pac fights Ali, he could claim to have stopped the great man also.

Pacquiao may not have beating Floyd in the squared circle as yet but he has beating him mentally outside and has left his legacy in tatters.

Oscar and Hatton were touted as Floyd's best wins but Pacquiao blitz both of them.

Floyd got credit for beating Mosley for finally stepping up and facing a top welter albeit a 38 year old top welter, but Pacquiao could show up that performance next week.

Pacquiao then took on Margarito and Cotto, two fighters that Floyd avoided at welter even though many fans were calling for those fights.

Blood tests, Floyd rigid stance, moving goal posts have not gone down well with the boxing fans and why did he only bring this to the table with the Pacquiao fight?

Ustream rant, aimed at Pacquiao.


He get asked why he isn't fighting Pacquiao wherever he and his seeming avoidance of the mega fight now makes him a pariah in boxing to such an extent he gets booed by American fight fans at boxing events.


Take Pacquiao out of the equation, say he never existed, can anyone deny Floyd would not be in a much better position, in the terms of of his legacy.

*yawn*

Steven_89 wrote:@ Sugar boy
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If Manny destroys and becomes the first guy to stop Mosley you will all say the same thing, when he absolutely destroyed Hatton who was coming off the back of a punch perfect display in destroying Malignaggi everyone said the same thing, its getting boring, he's not even a boxer no more he's retired, George Foreman fights more often.

Why are you directing that at me - when have I attempted to discredit pacquiaos career or wins? I haven't and don't because I'm a fan if his, but I think the criticism levelled at mayweather by the Ring is draconian.

D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao may not have beating Floyd in the squared circle as yet but he has beating him mentally outside and has left his legacy in tatters.

Oscar and Hatton were touted as Floyd's best wins but Pacquiao blitz both of them.

Floyd got credit for beating Mosley for finally stepping up and facing a top welter albeit a 38 year old top welter, but Pacquiao could show up that performance next week.

Pacquiao then took on Margarito and Cotto, two fighters that Floyd avoided at welter even though many fans were calling for those fights.

Blood tests, Floyd rigid stance, moving goal posts have not gone down well with the boxing fans and why did he only bring this to the table with the Pacquiao fight?

Ustream rant, aimed at Pacquiao.


He get asked why he isn't fighting Pacquiao wherever he and his seeming avoidance of the mega fight now makes him a pariah in boxing to such an extent he gets booed by American fight fans at boxing events.


Take Pacquiao out of the equation, say he never existed, can anyone deny Floyd would not be in a much better position, in the terms of of his legacy.

I disagree with all of this

Paq should have agreed to take the tests

Perfessor Albertus Lion V: Where you failed was in interpreting the data which is clearly NOT random and has a blood testing cut off of 2 weeks before the fight which was the sticking point that Mr. Moneybags would not budge on.
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The drug testing regime for mosley v mayweather was completely random up til the day before the fight. The fact that USADA did their final tests a couple of weeks beforehand is irrelevant - as far as the fighters were concerned they could have come back at any time, there was no agreed 2 week cut off date.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Perfessor Albertus Lion V: Where you failed was in interpreting the data which is clearly NOT random and has a blood testing cut off of 2 weeks before the fight which was the sticking point that Mr. Moneybags would not budge on.
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The drug testing regime for mosley v mayweather was completely random up til the day before the fight. The fact that USADA did their final tests a couple of weeks beforehand is irrelevant - as far as the fighters were concerned they could have come back at any time, there was no agreed 2 week cut off date.

Actually - the fact that there was such a huge window pre-fight is pretty poor. I see your point that "they could come back at any time". However - the testing is pretty lax if they "completely randomly" manage to leave a 14-18 day window in the run up to a fight. That's both pathetic and pretty lazy.

I disagree with all of this

Paq should have agreed to take the tests
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No he shouldnt, not if it gave the control freak an advantage, Mayweather thinks he rules boxing, he doesnt and he wont dictate what Pac man does, Martinez would take the tests, then take Mayweather's head off so lets move on from Manny

Steven_89 wrote:I disagree with all of this

Paq should have agreed to take the tests
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No he shouldnt, not if it gave the control freak an advantage, Mayweather thinks he rules boxing, he doesnt and he wont dictate what Pac man does, Martinez would take the tests, then take Mayweather's head off so lets move on from Manny

What advantage? Floyd was not asking Manny to take something he wasnt prepared to do himself.

Steven_89 wrote:No he shouldnt, not if it gave the control freak an advantage, Mayweather thinks he rules boxing, he doesnt and he wont dictate what Pac man does, Martinez would take the tests, then take Mayweather's head off so lets move on from Manny

It wasn't an advantage to Floyd both would be subject to the same testing. As for Martinez hes probably to big for Floyd remember Floyd was a super featherweight. He is a control freak but is used to being the big draw and dictating the terms of the fight his ego will allow nothing else.

prettyboykev wrote: He is a control freak but is used to being the big draw and dictating the terms of the fight his ego will allow nothing else.

And thats the point exactly, thanks prettyboy.

Were Floyd to "get over his ego" for a little while - more big fights could happen./ As it is - he's behind Manny in most sensible thinking folk's ATG stakes. Why? Because Manny has Barrera, Morales, marquez, Solis, Diaz, ODLH, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton as well as Clottey, Ledwaba etc on his resume.

Floyd's resume is good - but he's living off his undefeated status. If he loses that, his resume doesn't stack up well.

Anyway - now the hearing is delayed until July. He won't have fought for well over a year. This is getting quite ridiculous.

Ox I view him as a retired fighter now. Would be amazed if he ever fought again.
I wouldn't have Manny ahead of him in my ATG list but I'm a big fan of defencive fighters. Manny did beat Hatton and ODLH after Floyd and Margarito had been beating convincingly by Mosley when they got in the ring.
See how easy it is to pick holes in records?

Yeah - very easy to pick holes in records (although in fairness - what the hell difference does that 1 defeat make? Like saying that SRL II W6 Duran is irrelevant as a victory because Duran had lost to DeJesus...

Hatton was "back to his best" having battered Malignaggi from pillar to post. Malignaggi was and is a slick boxer and was fancied by some to give Hatton some trouble. Maybe, if he could punch he would have done but Hatton beat 10 shades out of him. Then Hatton fights Pacquiao and we know what happened next. This "Pacquiao fights my leftovers" thing is a recent FMJ excuse for why when he has beaten a fighter less convincingly - and then Pacquiao has won more convincingly - it was somehow down to him. Doesn't really wash.

Even though its easy to pick holes in records - its much easier when the records are a bit paper thin. You are biased, admittedly - you're a huge fan of Floyd in the ring; which is fine.

However - it becomes easy to pick holes in Floyd's resume because of the absence of fighters on it, rather than the presence. There's more holes in Floyd's resume than Manny's IMO.

I wasn't saying I agree with it just showing that anybody who doesn't like a certain fighter can pick holes in their record to back up a point.
I agree Mannys record is more impressive than Floyds but I tend to judge fighters on records but mainly on ability as record can have holes picked in them.
BTW I'm a big Manny fan just prefer Floyds style.

Floyds style is great, no arguments from me.

I do tend to prefer offensive fighters to defensive fighters - I was a much bigger fan of JCC than Whittaker for example.

However - if we're judging on styles - where do we rate Floyd in comparison with Whittaker? I could make a reasonable argument that Whittaker does all that Floyd does in terms of defence with more telling harder punches afterwards.

Floyd can be a bit more aggressive than Whittaker. Whittaker was probably a bit better at not being hit and counter punching than Floyd. Floyds hands are the trouble even if he wanted to thorw big punches he couldn't. He has adapted his style well to that. Floyd can change how he fights depending on the opponent Whittaker wasn't as adaptable as Floyd.
Would have Willie Pep above both of them.

Just because we were on the topic of defencive fighters thought I would give you my top 5.
1. Willie Pep
2. Niccolino Locche
3. Pernell Whittaker
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Jack Johnson

It wasn't an advantage to Floyd both would be subject to the same testing. As for Martinez hes probably to big for Floyd remember Floyd was a super featherweight. He is a control freak but is used to being the big draw and dictating the terms of the fight his ego will allow nothing else.
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as Emanuel steward's always said he wont fight outside his comfort zone, he wont take a risk, yeah, Pacquiao's a bigger draw and he wont bow down to everything this bully says and why should he? Martinez will destroy him, he's faster, bigger and stronger and a lefty, stylistically he's an absolute nightmare for a fighter who loves 80/20 fights in his favour

Just because we were on the topic of defencive fighters thought I would give you my top 5.
1. Willie Pep
2. Niccolino Locche
3. Pernell Whittaker
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Jack Johnson
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I think Marlon Starling is easily as good as all them defensively, and as good as Whittaker and Mayweather overall, very, very skillful, fast handed and a brilliant defence with ear muffs, very hard to hit with flush shots, the Mayweather fight was a masterschool in defensive boxing, as where the Curry fights

Don't see it like that tbh. Think Pac might be just right for Floyd he is very aggressive and quite open at times always felt stylistically Pac is great for Floyd.

the Honeyghan fight that should say lol*

Would have my top 5 just ahead of him but he would be 6th or 7th very good defencive fighter. Could make a case for 3-5 but not top 2 Pep and Locche were masters and a class above the rest. Could stand right in front of a fighter and make them look ridiculous.

prettyboykev wrote:Just because we were on the topic of defencive fighters thought I would give you my top 5.
1. Willie Pep
2. Niccolino Locche
3. Pernell Whittaker
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Jack Johnson

Nice list - no real arguments from me there. Locche was incredible. Might be tempted to sub Jersey Joe Walcott in for Johnson. As good a defence as any.

It's tough leaving people out but Walcott would be in my top 10. Johnson was one of the first to fight that way so gets the nod.

Someone mentioned Marlon Sterling as well and he would be close. More modern era fighters like Bhop, Winky Wright and Roy Jones would be up their as well.
Another who doesn't get mentioned is Sugar Ray Robinson the guy had an excellent defence.

Don't see it like that tbh. Think Pac might be just right for Floyd he is very aggressive and quite open at times always felt stylistically Pac is great for Floyd.
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Roach wont have Pacquiao throwing punches for the sake of it, he will move, Manny's feat are about 2 or 3 times faster than Mayweather, his hands are much faster, i've studied their fights and he throws much faster punches, also much more and is a combination puncher, i just cant help but feel if Pacquiao caught him which he would like Mosley did he would of jumped on him and finished him off. Just a shame we wont see the fight ever, but i think stylistically Mayweather suits Manny, loves his comfort zone, fights at his own pace, isnt a hard working fighter, Pacquiao would make him work for 180 seconds of every round and i dont think Mayweather is at all comfortable with that, as i say he likes to fight at 1 pace only his own slow pace against fighters not in the same breath as Pacquiao, he looked very, very nervous and uncomfortable with a fighter in Hatton who isnt nowhere near as fast of hand and feet of Manny. The Martinez fight could be made but obviously Sergio is in the form of his life and not shot, Mayweather wont want nout to do with anything like that.

Manny isn't much quicker than Floyd. However - that in itself makes things interesting - because neither of them will have fought someone that fast before.

Manny, as a leftie, combined with some unorthodox punching provides an interesting challenge for Floyd. And Floyd - as a slick defensive fighter, combined with excellent counter-punching provides the opposite of what Manny prefers.

Steven_89: The Martinez fight could be made but obviously Sergio is in the form of his life and not shot, Mayweather wont want nout to do with anything like that..
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Why do you keep bringing martinez into it? The guy is the 160lb champion, mayweather is a welterweight, there is a significant size difference. It's like saying Miguel Cotto wont fight Carl Froch.

Besides, if martinez is a legit opponent for mayweather then he's also a legit opponent for manny who's also a welter. So why wont manny fight martinez?

Think Martinez is just to big for Floyd. Maybe if Floyd beat him Manny would fight him next.
Floyd is adaptale and can change his style not a lot of fighters can do that. But like all fighters he is happiest fighting his style of fight at his pace. Don't think Manny that much faster than Floyd in terms of hand speed tbh. Problem I see with Pac is he isn't a big puncher he's an accumulative puncher and this is fine against guys who will stand and trade with you or guys that aren't hard to hit Floyd isn't like that by the time Mannys getting his 2nd or 3rd shot off Floyd will have tagged him and he will be covering up and slipping out the way. Shame it will never happen
Hatton didn't make Mayweather look uncomfortable or nervous he dominated Hatton and outboxed him most of the rounds,

prettyboykev wrote:Think Martinez is just to big for Floyd. Maybe if Floyd beat him Manny would fight him next.
Floyd is adaptale and can change his style not a lot of fighters can do that. But like all fighters he is happiest fighting his style of fight at his pace. Don't think Manny that much faster than Floyd in terms of hand speed tbh. Problem I see with Pac is he isn't a big puncher he's an accumulative puncher and this is fine against guys who will stand and trade with you or guys that aren't hard to hit Floyd isn't like that by the time Mannys getting his 2nd or 3rd shot off Floyd will have tagged him and he will be covering up and slipping out the way. Shame it will never happen
Hatton didn't make Mayweather look uncomfortable or nervous he dominated Hatton and outboxed him most of the rounds,

Never see Floyd brawl, slug it out, willing to take punches to knock the other guy out, fight toe to toe, throw big power shots.

Could Floyd fight how Pacquiao fights?

This Floyd is adaptedable and can change his style has been very over used and has is not true.

Floyd has a distinctive style, without see Floyd's face I know if it him boxing because of his style, he can make small adjustments but does not change his style.

Why do you keep bringing martinez into it? The guy is the 160lb champion, mayweather is a welterweight, there is a significant size difference. It's like saying Miguel Cotto wont fight Carl Froch.

Besides, if martinez is a legit opponent for mayweather then he's also a legit opponent for manny who's also a welter. So why wont manny fight martinez?
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because i think he should fight Martinez, Martinez can make LMW, Mayweather has held a world title at that weight, isnt Pacquiao fighting next week? when does Mayweather fight again? im puzzled.

@prettyboykev
I honestly dont think he would see Manny's punches mate, he looked a bag of nerves against Hatton early and struggled with Hatton's speed in the first 4 rounds he was complaining about it in the corner, (out of the comfort zone), Manny stops him late in my opinion, if they fought it would be much, much more exciting than anything in the history of the sport imo

The Martinez vs Mayweather fight was touted around by the Mayweather camp as a possibility, then Martinez KOe Williams in 2 and now that is a stupid fight

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:Think Martinez is just to big for Floyd. Maybe if Floyd beat him Manny would fight him next.
Floyd is adaptale and can change his style not a lot of fighters can do that. But like all fighters he is happiest fighting his style of fight at his pace. Don't think Manny that much faster than Floyd in terms of hand speed tbh. Problem I see with Pac is he isn't a big puncher he's an accumulative puncher and this is fine against guys who will stand and trade with you or guys that aren't hard to hit Floyd isn't like that by the time Mannys getting his 2nd or 3rd shot off Floyd will have tagged him and he will be covering up and slipping out the way. Shame it will never happen
Hatton didn't make Mayweather look uncomfortable or nervous he dominated Hatton and outboxed him most of the rounds,

Never see Floyd brawl, slug it out, willing to take punches to knock the other guy out, fight toe to toe, throw big power shots.

Could Floyd fight how Pacquiao fights?

This Floyd is adaptedable and can change his style has been very over used and has is not true.

Floyd has a distinctive style, without see Floyd's face I know if it him boxing because of his style, he can make small adjustments but does not change his style.

Wouldn't want to see Floyd brawl or slug it out he's a defencive fighter not a scrapper. Didn't make Locche, Pep or Whittaker poor fighters did it?
He couldn' fight how Pac fights because of his hands but Pac couldn't fight how Floyd fights because he is poor defencively.
If you don't think Floyd is adaptable go and watch the Judah fight he had trouble with Judah at the start because of his southpaw stance and speed but adjusted and won a pretty comfortable wide decision.
BTW I'm a big Pac fan and don't see any shame in losing to Floyd I view him as the best of his time. Possibly the most gifted fighter since Pernell Whittaker.

prettyboykev wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:Think Martinez is just to big for Floyd. Maybe if Floyd beat him Manny would fight him next.
Floyd is adaptale and can change his style not a lot of fighters can do that. But like all fighters he is happiest fighting his style of fight at his pace. Don't think Manny that much faster than Floyd in terms of hand speed tbh. Problem I see with Pac is he isn't a big puncher he's an accumulative puncher and this is fine against guys who will stand and trade with you or guys that aren't hard to hit Floyd isn't like that by the time Mannys getting his 2nd or 3rd shot off Floyd will have tagged him and he will be covering up and slipping out the way. Shame it will never happen
Hatton didn't make Mayweather look uncomfortable or nervous he dominated Hatton and outboxed him most of the rounds,

Never see Floyd brawl, slug it out, willing to take punches to knock the other guy out, fight toe to toe, throw big power shots.

Could Floyd fight how Pacquiao fights?

This Floyd is adaptedable and can change his style has been very over used and has is not true.

Floyd has a distinctive style, without see Floyd's face I know if it him boxing because of his style, he can make small adjustments but does not change his style.

Wouldn't want to see Floyd brawl or slug it out he's a defencive fighter not a scrapper. Didn't make Locche, Pep or Whittaker poor fighters did it?
He couldn' fight how Pac fights because of his hands but Pac couldn't fight how Floyd fights because he is poor defencively.
If you don't think Floyd is adaptable go and watch the Judah fight he had trouble with Judah at the start because of his southpaw stance and speed but adjusted and won a pretty comfortable wide decision.
BTW I'm a big Pac fan and don't see any shame in losing to Floyd I view him as the best of his time. Possibly the most gifted fighter since Pernell Whittaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2JbDRWh2nE

Manny can

D4thincarnation wrote:
Never see Floyd brawl, slug it out, willing to take punches to knock the other guy out, fight toe to toe, throw big power shots.

Could Floyd fight how Pacquiao fights?

This Floyd is adaptedable and can change his style has been very over used and has is not true.

Floyd has a distinctive style, without see Floyd's face I know if it him boxing because of his style, he can make small adjustments but does not change his style.

Why engage in a brawl when you can control the pace of the fight and make your opponent fight your fight? Can Pacquiao fight how Mayweather fights? When you say silly things like that you sound ridiculous

Manny isn't a defencive fighter and brushing your shoulder in an empty ring proves nothing. Floyd is easily top 10 defencive fighters of all time. The guy is a tool outside the ring but a master at what he does inside it. Go and watch the Judah fight while your on youtube and you will see what I mean about him being adaptable.

Why engage in a brawl when you can control the pace of the fight and make your opponent fight your fight? Can Pacquiao fight how Mayweather fights? When you say silly things like that you sound like you have your tongue buried in Pacquiao's crack, seriously.
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You sound like your on Mayweather's team as well, Coxy with comments like that