Euro Division Homepage XLVIII

by **Afro** Mon 04 Feb 2013, 3:27 pm

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by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:06 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Is this more United fans having a go at a good young player because he plays for a rival?
GSC, no. I agree Hart is a good young player. World class no. Hes over hyped imo. For England hes the best player in his position and the best to come along in that position for a while. Add that to the fact hes English equates to being over hyped. The media will big him up & because people in this country are like sheep they will follow what the media says.
There is an endless list of England players who are "World Class".

I truly feel hes a great keeper. World Class no. But he could still become it.
As Viva said, Hart will make mistakes & there quick to be brushed aside or ignored. De Gea is constantly getting stick for what? Some mistakes but his saves + positives & occasion where he has kept Man United in the match are just ignored by the media/people.
I just think its the English media wanting to put down a foreign player so we can make a claim the best keeper in the Prem is English, lets face it there no other position where the best player is English & its the English league.
Spain, Germany & Italy, best players in the league & positions are mainly from the same country. Premier League cant make the same claim.

Hart takes a lot of flack on twitter. As does De Gea

For me both will be in the Top 5 GK's (barring injuries) in 3-5 years time

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:14 pm

Hart takes a lot of flack on twitter. As does De Gea

For me both will be in the Top 5 GK's (barring injuries) in 3-5 years time

Fair enough. Well both of them are in good positions to make progress. Up to them if they step up.

Spain, Germany & Italy, best players in the league & positions are mainly from the same country. Premier League cant make the same claim.

If you actually think about that claim I made, pick a position & then a player from each 4 top leagues my claim becomes stronger & stroner thus supporting it being correct

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:14 pm

[quote="Zinedine_Ze_Zebra"]

, lets face it there no other position where the best player is English

Left back

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:15 pm

In Spain, neither of the best two players are Spanish.

Season 2 fixtures are up btw

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:15 pm

Zebs there isn't an endless list of 'world class' England players - I think there are three. Hart, Wilshere, Rooney.

By 'world class' I mean players I would expect to be able to walk into any national team. I think all three of those would get into Spain's team, on ability. And definitely any other team.

De Gea's mistakes are picked up on by the media because it's become a story. I feel sorry for the kid. But even if you go back to when united bought him, I thought he was the wrong purchase for your club - especially at that price. I'd cut my losses and buy Asmir Begovic myself.

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:15 pm

[quote="BigFellasAfro"]

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
, lets face it there no other position where the best player is English

Left back

Haha, owned Cool

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:16 pm

I'd have Ashley Cole as world class.

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:17 pm

I think he is world class, but I don't think he's get in the Spain team ahead of Alba. Every other team he would though.

Shame that Cole won't be around for another 4-5 years, just as we really need him too!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:21 pm

We have more than ample cover in Baines. Then coming through we have Gibbs and Shaw. We're pretty sorted at LB.

To be fair we're good at both FB positions actually

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:23 pm

[quote]Left Back[/quote] Debatable. Very debatable. I wouldn't consider Cole world class now.

[quote]In Spain, neither of the best two players are Spanish.[/quote] Two best in the league no. But look as positions like I said. best keeper is same nationality, Iker Casillas. Feel free to continue to do each position. There is defo much more than the Premier League & more clear cut unlike Hart & Cole which are both debatable.

My point was all other top leagues in Europe have more players from the nation of the league as the best player in their position in the league.

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:24 pm

Baines should be in that side ahead of Cole atm. He has been the better LB for at least 18 months. After Cole has been given the 100 cap gesture tonight, I fully expect him to be backup to Baines

Ask any Everton fan, Fellaini we would be loath to lose but he is replacable and we would sooner lose him to keep Baines.

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:24 pm

Baines should be in that side ahead of Cole atm. He has been the better LB for at least 18 months. After Cole has been given the 100 cap gesture tonight, I fully expect him to be backup to Baines

Ask any Everton fan, Fellaini we would be loath to lose but he is replacable and we would sooner lose him to keep Baines.

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:25 pm

?

Debatable. Very debatable. I wouldn't consider Cole world class now.

Who is the best LB in the Premier League then

by GSC Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:26 pm

Baines has surpassed Cole now I feel. 2 have been going in opposite directions this season

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:27 pm

Who is the best LB in the Premier League then

Baines should be in that side ahead of Cole atm. He has been the better LB for at least 18 months.

Have you answered your own question?

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:27 pm

GSC wrote:Baines has surpassed Cole now I feel. 2 have been going in opposite directions this season

And probably the previous 2 seasons as well

by GSC Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:27 pm

Cole had a mini revival in the CL/Euros tho

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:28 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Who is the best LB in the Premier League then

Baines should be in that side ahead of Cole atm. He has been the better LB for at least 18 months.

Have you answered your own question?

Have I?

If so, that is one English player who is the best in his position in the Premier League

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:29 pm

Cole doesn't offer the attacking game anymore, but he's still a quality defender. Plus he's been on of England's only consistent performers on the big stage.

Baines offers the attacking, and set pieces and his defending has improved a lot.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:29 pm

If Baines is the best LB in the prem we have one position where home nationality is the best.

Ill get cussed for this but Evra cant be ignored this season. Defending stilla bit dodgy but his attacking exploits!

by GSC Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:30 pm

Evra

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:30 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:If Baines is the best LB in the prem we have one position where home nationality is the best.

Ill get cussed for this but Evra cant be ignored this season. Defending stilla bit dodgy but his attacking exploits!

A bit dodgy? Understatement and a half

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:32 pm

Olly wrote:Cole doesn't offer the attacking game anymore, but he's still a quality defender. Plus he's been on of England's only consistent performers on the big stage.

Baines offers the attacking, and set pieces and his defending has improved a lot.

He rarely makes mistakes for us anymore and is a quality defender too. For England he has had his iffy moments, but if he keeps getting a run in the side, he will be more confident in his place and he will bring to England what he brings to Everton

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:34 pm

I've not been impressed with Baines in an England shirt. The team play a different way to what he's used to, and I can't see him being as effective either. I think Cole suits England far more than Baines.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:34 pm

A bit dodgy? Understatement and a half

Its not really. I think hes done better this season than last. Aaron Lennon is the only one who really F'ed him up this season.
Evra is 3 goals being Baines & level on assists. Stats are not far off so suppose rest is judged off personal opinion which makes it no clearer.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:35 pm

Azzy, reckon Baines would suit Man United?
There has been rumors in the recent past.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:37 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:
Olly wrote:Cole doesn't offer the attacking game anymore, but he's still a quality defender. Plus he's been on of England's only consistent performers on the big stage.

Baines offers the attacking, and set pieces and his defending has improved a lot.

He rarely makes mistakes for us anymore and is a quality defender too. For England he has had his iffy moments, but if he keeps getting a run in the side, he will be more confident in his place and he will bring to England what he brings to Everton

I agree on the point he rarely makes mistakes (although he got away with trying to play Weimann onside at weekend when should have tracked him) but I haven't seen him do it in an England shirt enough.

I'm sure he'll get a shot. He's been the best LB in the land this season by far

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:38 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
A bit dodgy? Understatement and a half
Its not really. I think hes done better this season than last. Aaron Lennon is the only one who really F'ed him up this season.
Evra is 3 goals being Baines & level on assists. Stats are not far off so suppose rest is judged off personal opinion which makes it no clearer.

I remember him being decidedly shocking at Carra Rd as well.

He's half the player he was, although Buttner is just a baffling signing

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:39 pm

He took a decent run of games for us before he really settled, but once he did, that was when he flourished.

I am confident that is all it needs for England too.

I nearly put about the weekend being his first poor game for a while. He left Heitinga a bit exposed at times on the weekend as he is so used to Distin behind him, who has the pace to cover the gaps

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:43 pm

Is Evra really level with Baines on assists?

There was one point earlier in the season where he had the joint highest number of chances on goal created in all of the major European leagues (can't remember who joint with)

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:46 pm

I remember him being decidedly shocking at Carra Rd as well.
He's half the player he was, although Buttner is just a baffling signing

Everyones shocking at Carra Rd.
Why is Buttner a baffling signing??

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:47 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
I remember him being decidedly shocking at Carra Rd as well.
He's half the player he was, although Buttner is just a baffling signing
Everyones shocking at Carra Rd.
Why is Buttner a baffling signing??

Cos he's w*nk

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:47 pm

Probably someone like Leon Britton, knowing 'stats' as I do...

Zebs - Baines would be great for United, but again, I think his style is wrong for you. You'd be better off nabbing Luke Shaw off of Southampton now, and training him up from scratch.

by sodhat Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:48 pm

When do we beginnith the season?

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:49 pm

Next week, surely?

by **Afro** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:53 pm

First set of tactics in on the 15th Feb

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:55 pm

Cos he's w*nk

Haha, you've seen him play a handful of games and hes w*nk!

My gosh Olly thats a real good reason. How hard is it to have a conversation/discussion on here. Some muppet has to ruin it & this time it happens to be a 3 fingered inbred canary.

Im off before I really cuss you out and get banned.

Peace

by sodhat Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:55 pm

Righty ho, a couple more TP opportunities before then.

I am selling the less vital players on my team. Coloccini, Campo, De Silvestri, Rat, Bradley, Martinez etc etc

by FIFA Diva Wed 06 Feb 2013, 2:56 pm

Begovic?? The keeper who has made tye most mistakes which led to goals in last three season. Decent keeper but not United level.

by GSC Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:00 pm

Not even people Holland knew what United saw in Buttner

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:02 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Cos he's w*nk
Haha, you've seen him play a handful of games and hes w*nk!

My gosh Olly thats a real good reason. How hard is it to have a conversation/discussion on here. Some muppet has to ruin it & this time it happens to be a 3 fingered inbred canary.

Im off before I really cuss you out and get banned.

Peace

Couldn't get in the Dutch squad at the Euros? They have so many great defenders eh! Even played Jetro Willems ahead of him who clearly wasnt ready for it! Great player

by sodhat Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:02 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Begovic?? The keeper who has made tye most mistakes which led to goals in last three season. Decent keeper but not United level.

Yeah, he could never match up to Massimo Taibi Whistle

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:05 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Begovic?? The keeper who has made tye most mistakes which led to goals in last three season. Decent keeper but not United level.

That's blatantly untrue Viva. Begovic has been one of the most solid keepers in the Premier League the last three seasons. Better than De Gea, Reina, Sczeczszczczny, Krul, Vorm, all those others. And there's a good reason for him being linked to United, it's that he's better than what you currently have.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:07 pm

No way Utd should sign Begovic.

De Gea will be a world class keeper they have to keep faith in him and allow him to develop.

by Guest Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:09 pm

United shouldn't sign Begovic, you're right. They should sell De Gea and buy a proper keeper, someone like Hugo Lloris/Manuel Neuer, who is a proven international goalie of renown and worth the big transfer fee.

by GSC Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:11 pm

Can't believe United let Neuer walk to Bayern after his performance in the CL against them.

by sodhat Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:12 pm

I'd stick with De Gea. I reckon he'll be a good keeper for them and he looks like a Who from the Grinch.

by FIFA Diva Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:15 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:Begovic?? The keeper who has made tye most mistakes which led to goals in last three season. Decent keeper but not United level.
That's blatantly untrue Viva. Begovic has been one of the most solid keepers in the Premier League the last three seasons. Better than De Gea, Reina, Sczeczszczczny, Krul, Vormll those others. And there's a good reason for him being linked to United, it's that he's better than what you currently have.

No this isn't a Viva made fackt its from ESPN, he has made the most mistakes which cost his side. United are linked with many other players dont mean they better then what they have.

Azzy when are City going to hit top form and cruise to the title? You're very confident in your Unitrd bashing fancy a bet?

United win the title you owe me £50 if city win the title I owe you £50? An if the loser don't pay up he gets banned from v2 for life and his alias

by Trebs Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:17 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:
Azzy Mahmood wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:Begovic?? The keeper who has made tye most mistakes which led to goals in last three season. Decent keeper but not United level.
That's blatantly untrue Viva. Begovic has been one of the most solid keepers in the Premier League the last three seasons. Better than De Gea, Reina, Sczeczszczczny, Krul, Vormll those others. And there's a good reason for him being linked to United, it's that he's better than what you currently have.

No this isn't a Viva made fackt its from ESPN, he has made the most mistakes which cost his side. United are linked with many other players dont mean they better then what they have.

Azzy when are City going to hit top form and cruise to the title? You're very confident in your Unitrd bashing fancy a bet?

United win the title you owe me £50 if city win the title I owe you £50? An if the loser don't pay up he gets banned from v2 for life and his alias

There's always JA606

by GSC Wed 06 Feb 2013, 3:19 pm

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hahahahahaha

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