Parisse and Edwards

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Shaun Edwards, Wales assistant coach has weighed into the Parisse disciplinary case in the media before the hearing on wednesday. Edwards basically said " he has form for this offence"

What do you think of this???

I think 3 things:

1. it stinks and he should not be doing this i.e trying to influence the disciplinary people. its not rugby culture to do this - more football culture;
2. previous form is only relevant to penalty and cant be used to decide whether he did it this time or not so it is wrong for anyone to be publicly talking about it;
3. it shows how worried wales are about parisse and Italy.

p.s I know Edwards is English.

p.p.s this welsh regime love to commentate on what is going on with other teams - they did it a fair bit re england rwc2011 (and Fatland has only just brought it up again!!!!!) and now this.

They need to worry about themselves a little bit more !

if italy play their best match and wales are 62.5 % of their best, wales will win with a struggle.

100%beefy wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:Wales haven't lost to Italy since 2007 and Parisse has skippered his side in nearly all the defeats they've suffered against us since. So no, I daresay Wales are not "worried" about either Parisse or Italy. They ought to be wary of the very realistic threat Italy pose at home but worried, I doubt it. We've had the beating of Italy with or without Parisse in any year worth mentioning and even when we've been in poor form at that.

If Italy play like they did at home against France, there's no ifs or buts, they'll beat Wales comfortably.

If Italy play like they did away against Scotland, there's no if or buts, they'll lose to Wales easily.

Italy are a different side in Rome, nobody can now expect to go there and grab easy points. They're perfectly capable of beating Wales on Saturday and I expect them to do so. I don't think Edwards has done Wales any favours with his comments, ita about time the Welsh coaching staff got on with the job in hand rather than worry about what everybody else is up to. Contrast their approach to that of England's at the moment, with Stuart Lancaster quietly going about his business and it makes the Welsh team look like a travelling circus.

you mean a team of performers like the one you took to the world cup? where heavily retarded performers jumped off a ferry and threw 'little people'.....hahaha, cracking jimpy. well done 'tard boy.

gowershowerpower wrote:you mean a team of performers like the one you took to the world cup? where heavily retarded performers jumped off a ferry and threw 'little people'.....hahaha, cracking jimpy. well done 'tard boy.

No, because this is an almost entirely different team with different management.

Jimpy, Gower

I can have no time for people like you. I find the word special extremely offensive!

different management? a different monkey perhaps. rowntree? faz? which 'tard jumped ship? which lobbed a dwarf...oh, tinds yes, but that's okay because he's boning royalty.

sorry blue, was just quoting jimpy...the troglodytic merkin.

gowershowerpower wrote:different management? a different monkey perhaps. rowntree? faz? which 'tard jumped ship? which lobbed a dwarf...oh, tinds yes, but that's okay because he's boning royalty.

You really are the most vile, obnoxious and repellent person on this forum.

troglodytic merkin.

Thats more like it, if your going to throw mud put a bit of lippy on it

hahaha, cracking jimpy. does that mean you agree with me? All i'm saying is the truth. to label a professional sports team as mildly retarded, i think, and many would agree, is vile and repellant. and you are quite obnoxious to boot.

i'm sat here in a school and can hear more mature talk from the students. Grow up guys!

don't read it then nathan you mature, cultured, spotty teen you.

Hey gower...long shot but are you on the south gower bus to Wembley on Sunday?

that depends on who's asking bread my man.....

gowershowerpower wrote:don't read it then nathan you mature, cultured, spotty teen you.

yes, because it's only students that you'll find in schools.......

Only asking. My mate, me and my boy are on it...

together with the token dodgy 'handyman' aka nakednathan...

then i probably know you bread.

Lol. I live in killay.

do you, did you play for SG? footy for SG or rugby for fall bay? or rugby for SG?

Neither. Moved here 10 years ago. Missus is from here so...Got a last gasp tickets for Sunday and SG were advertising spaces on their bus.

Sergio Parisse had a season at Fall Bay.

Banned for 30 days means Sergio is out of the 6Ns now (subject to appeal) - R5 report

Just read that...

It is quite lenient, i think Neil Back got six months for pushing a ref.

wtf did he say?

30 days? That's longer than Healy

I can completely understand the need for the respect of officials, but the inconsistency and length of bans is becoming random.

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:30 days? That's longer than Healy

I can completely understand the need for the respect of officials, but the inconsistency and length of bans is becoming random.

I'm hearing now it's 40 days. I don't know whether that's mis-reporting or my hearing.

greytiger wrote:

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:30 days? That's longer than Healy

I can completely understand the need for the respect of officials, but the inconsistency and length of bans is becoming random.

I'm hearing now it's 40 days. I don't know whether that's mis-reporting or my hearing.

It was 40 reduced to 30 acccording to the Beeb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21517465

Who was on the French league disciplinary hearing board?

Edwards, Howley and Gatland?

What a joke 30 days reduced from 40? What did he say I know where you live and i'm going to have my wicked way with your wife?

maestegmafia wrote:Just read that...

It is quite lenient, i think Neil Back got six months for pushing a ref.

Parrise didn't push the ref.....

Do we have any French speakers on here. If it was caught on the ref mic I'll try and find the video.

nathan wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Just read that...

It is quite lenient, i think Neil Back got six months for pushing a ref.

Parrise didn't push the ref.....

And Healy got a 2 match ban for trying to break another player's leg.

Of course Parisse's punishment is lenient

2. previous form is only relevant to penalty and cant be used to decide whether he did it this time or not

Nonsense. Look up 'propensity' in the dictionary. Why do you think the Police bother to keep records of offending?

There are repeat offenders on 606 and I know the Mods keep a propensity chart

It is somewhat foolish ot compare Healy and Parisse's censure.

Respect for the referee is what sets rugby apart from other sports, on e in particular springs to mind, wtaching players kettle a ref and abuse him sickens me and Parisse's words, whatever the feck they were, must have crossed a line. That someone of his stature, and the Captain, should even engage in that sort of conduct suprises me but it is the thin end of the wedge and must be stopped before we have a situation where rugby becomes just like that other sport.

As for Healy, a disgraceful stamp, simple as that. I am not familiar with the rules used to determine sentences but I am sure that the intent and effect...resultant injury are considered but i doubt him stamping on a leg - even if it was the ankle - are regarded as too bad. Props stamping on props is like actors kissing each other on the cheeks, its a way of introducing yourself.

Slightly surprised that Edwards commented to the media on this in the way he did, but I don't think you can say he's it's not right for rugby people to criticise players who have a go at the ref. It's one of the obvious cultural differences with footballers - rugby players respect the ref and do not indulge in back chat. No question. Parrise is a great player but has increasingly been indulging in football type antics in recent years . Several games spring to mind - twice, like the worst footballer, DIVING against England in 2012 6N (quite shocking I thought and rightly criticised by Dallaglio on BBC commentary at the time); lots of backchat in the match against Wales last year; similar behaviour against Scotland a few weeks ago. Just a few examples but fair to say probably quite typical so I wasn't surprised when I heard about the recent incident. Other rugby players don't behave like this. Incan't really think of any apart from Mirco Bergamasco (and I like Italy otherwise!). Edwards may have spoken a bit too freely and I don't know whether Parisse deserved to be sent off for this particular incident but let's not start condoning the creeping into rugby of non-rugby antics where refs are concerned, I suspect Shaun Edwards understands rugby "culture" very well, to be fair.

100%beefy wrote:It is somewhat foolish ot compare Healy and Parisse's censure.

Respect for the referee is what sets rugby apart from other sports, on e in particular springs to mind, wtaching players kettle a ref and abuse him sickens me and Parisse's words, whatever the feck they were, must have crossed a line. That someone of his stature, and the Captain, should even engage in that sort of conduct suprises me but it is the thin end of the wedge and must be stopped before we have a situation where rugby becomes just like that other sport.

As for Healy, a disgraceful stamp, simple as that. I am not familiar with the rules used to determine sentences but I am sure that the intent and effect...resultant injury are considered but i doubt him stamping on a leg - even if it was the ankle - are regarded as too bad. Props stamping on props is like actors kissing each other on the cheeks, its a way of introducing yourself.

Blatant hypocrisy.

Use of the boot is illegal. Its very, very easy to understand.

Stamping and rucking are two differetn things, read the rules and lets have a referee determine this one.

The laws you mean...

How were the crunchy nut cornflakes this morning Glas?

Sugary.

So much for Edwards doing Italy's team-talk then.

Morgannwg wrote:So much for Edwards doing Italy's team-talk then.

bit of a low blow mate.

nathan wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:So much for Edwards doing Italy's team-talk then.

bit of a low blow mate.

Rich. Have you not seen this thread?

Jimpy wrote:

100%beefy wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:Wales haven't lost to Italy since 2007 and Parisse has skippered his side in nearly all the defeats they've suffered against us since. So no, I daresay Wales are not "worried" about either Parisse or Italy. They ought to be wary of the very realistic threat Italy pose at home but worried, I doubt it. We've had the beating of Italy with or without Parisse in any year worth mentioning and even when we've been in poor form at that.

If Italy play like they did at home against France, there's no ifs or buts, they'll beat Wales comfortably.

If Italy play like they did away against Scotland, there's no if or buts, they'll lose to Wales easily.

Italy are a different side in Rome, nobody can now expect to go there and grab easy points. They're perfectly capable of beating Wales on Saturday and I expect them to do so. I don't think Edwards has done Wales any favours with his comments, ita about time the Welsh coaching staff got on with the job in hand rather than worry about what everybody else is up to. Contrast their approach to that of England's at the moment, with Stuart Lancaster quietly going about his business and it makes the Welsh team look like a travelling circus.

Anything to add in retrospect?

Not really. Wales won and good luck to them. Clearly Italy missed Parisse, but Rome isn't an easy place to go and win. I still don't think Wales are playing anywhere close to their full potential and still may struggle against Scotland and England.

....did wales miss Parisse of course,but their star forward was the replacement 8

Jimpy wrote:Not really. Wales won and good luck to them. Clearly Italy missed Parisse, but Rome isn't an easy place to go and win. I still don't think Wales are playing anywhere close to their full potential and still may struggle against Scotland and England.

Fair comment Jimpster. I don't think the game plan will change much from here on in and should be enough to beat Scotland. We need to improve ten-fold and pull something else out of the hat for England though.