2012/13 Premier League discussion thread part 4

by Guest Sat 02 Mar 2013, 10:37 pm

First topic message reminder :

We are now entering the business end of the season!

Now Utd more or less have the title sewn up it's all about the relegation scrap and the race for the Champions League spots.

Game on.

by **Crimey** Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:26 pm

I think people comparing to Keane on Haaland have to remember that Keane maliciously went to injure Haaland, he should have been imprisoned really, where as it's quite clear McManaman went for the ball, he went in with too much force but not even in the same ball park as Keane's literal assault on Haaland.

by ncfc_Tooze Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:28 pm

it was very much similar to the tackle by muscat on bellamy
very very dangerous

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:29 pm

GSC wrote:I think you're talking crap mate. Though based on your posting history you seem to get a kick out of arguing stupid points for some reason. So enjoy.

Based on your posting history I could say you don't like discussion and insult people that disagree with you as you aren't able to have a decent discussion but I'm not that flippant.

Enjoy the rest of the game.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:30 pm

Crimey wrote:I think people comparing to Keane on Haaland have to remember that Keane maliciously went to injure Haaland, he should have been imprisoned really, where as it's quite clear McManaman went for the ball, he went in with too much force but not even in the same ball park as Keane's literal assault on Haaland.

Don't talk sense, a guy is injured - get the pitchforks...

by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:33 pm

Nice finish.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:33 pm

If you go in (both) feet first above knee height on a player what else are you expecting other than to injure him.

by NickisBHAFC Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:35 pm

Lovely goal by Santon, should be a good end to the game.

by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:37 pm

Wigan really need to go for the win here. A point is not enough.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:39 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:If you go in (both) feet first above knee height on a player what else are you expecting other than to injure him.

He didn't do that though did he? He went to kick the ball - he swings his instep at it fairly obviously and the fullback toes it out of the way.

He went in very hard and clattered him afterwards and probably should have been sent off but I'm not having it that he two footed him above the knee deliberately - that is nonsense.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:40 pm

You're clearly only doing it for a reaction so I think I'll leave you to it. Nobody can be that stupid.

by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:41 pm

Nobody is saying he done him deliberately Ent.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:42 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:You're clearly only doing it for a reaction so I think I'll leave you to it. Nobody can be that stupid.

I understand you are aggrieved one of your players has been injured but there is no need to get personal.

If you can't come up with a reply that is fine.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:43 pm

FreekShow wrote:Nobody is saying he done him deliberately Ent.

Some people have called for a 5 game ban and compared it to Keane on Haaland.

by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:51 pm

Big, big, big goal.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:52 pm

Oh bugger off and go down already Wigan

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:52 pm

Having lived in Wigan I have a real soft spot for them even though it contrasts with my over all wish for premier league football.

Hope they can hold on, very dodgy handball call (or lack of) though.

by NickisBHAFC Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:54 pm

What a goal mouth scramble hahaha, fantastic win for Wigan.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:55 pm

Olly wrote:Oh bugger off and go down already Wigan

I think it's very romantic what they get up to.

Last year was one of the best bits of management I've seen in a long time the way Martinez restructured the team and tactics to get such a great run of results.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:55 pm

It's good that the ref also missed the handball. Think he's got Wigan on his bet today.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:56 pm

Ent wrote:
Olly wrote:Oh bugger off and go down already Wigan

I think it's very romantic what they get up to.

Last year was one of the best bits of management I've seen in a long time the way Martinez restructured the team and tactics to get such a great run of results.

I just want the bottom 3 to be cut adrift so we don't really have to worry at all about relegation.

Inevitable they would win today tho

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:00 pm

Ent wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:You're clearly only doing it for a reaction so I think I'll leave you to it. Nobody can be that stupid.

I understand you are aggrieved one of your players has been injured but there is no need to get personal.

If you can't come up with a reply that is fine.

I've gave my thoughts. I don't wish to entertain your wummery anymore. If I thought a chance of some decent debate was available I would, but it clearly isn't.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:00 pm

Some truly truly pathetic refereeing performances this weekend

by The Special Juan Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:01 pm

"Oh when the wheels!
Come falling off!
Oh when the wheels come falling off!"

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:02 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:
Ent wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:You're clearly only doing it for a reaction so I think I'll leave you to it. Nobody can be that stupid.

I understand you are aggrieved one of your players has been injured but there is no need to get personal.

If you can't come up with a reply that is fine.

I've gave my thoughts. I don't wish to entertain your wummery anymore. If I thought a chance of some decent debate was available I would, but it clearly isn't.

You can review my post history, I can assure you I'm not on the wind up.

Last minute losses hurt, controversial ones even more (see my thoughts on the Madrid game) tomorrow will bring a clearer head.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:07 pm

I missed that earlier, but thats a penalty in my book.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:11 pm

Any movement from anyone now the game is over?

Complete accident in my view watching in real time, gone to kick the ball.

Feel bad for the kid that has been injured.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:33 pm

No...

Would seem that all the sky sports team think it is a disgrace as well. Can't believe that we are all wrong and you are the sole voice of reason.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 6:42 pm

We will see in the coming days.

You have to remember Andy Cole had both of this legs broken by Razor Ruddock in a reserve game, threatening his career, so he isn't going to be objective in this.

Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for the lad and it was probably a red card - just don't think it was as disgraceful as people are painting.

As Martinez said, these things unfortunately happen. Wigan have had 2 breaks this season.

by wadey101 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:18 pm

I agree with Ent on this one, he's clearly gone for the ball and unfortunately for him the other players has just nicked the ball away first. It probably should have been a red card for dangerous play but it's not at all deliberate and if he'd have just got to the ball first there'd have been nothing said about it

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:19 pm

From what I've seen it wasnt his intent but definitely worthy of a red.

If anyone wants to know how the Chelsea - West Ham game went then all you need to know is Hazard and Mata are unsurprisingly too good for West Ham and we offered nothing when Diame wasnt on the ball (and he went off at H/T)

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:19 pm

We will see what? That you are still disagreeing with everyone? What is the reason for Dwight York not being objective? Or the presenter? Or the bbc punditry team?

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:25 pm

wadey101 wrote:I agree with Ent on this one, he's clearly gone for the ball and unfortunately for him the other players has just nicked the ball away first. It probably should have been a red card for dangerous play but it's not at all deliberate and if he'd have just got to the ball first there'd have been nothing said about it

Just think it's unfortunate the boy has potentially a bad injury, don't think it was that terrible a tackle - a lot of force behind it and if you miss you should go.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:32 pm

Ent wrote:
wadey101 wrote:I agree with Ent on this one, he's clearly gone for the ball and unfortunately for him the other players has just nicked the ball away first. It probably should have been a red card for dangerous play but it's not at all deliberate and if he'd have just got to the ball first there'd have been nothing said about it

Just think it's unfortunate the boy has potentially a bad injury, don't think it was that terrible a tackle - a lot of force behind it and if you miss you should go.

He launched himself in like a missile, feet first above knee height. Even if he missed the player that is still a red card for dangerous play.

It is a truly horrific challenge and equally as worrying is muppets like you saying it was only "possibly a red". Do you have to assassinate someone to get a red.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:45 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:
Ent wrote:
wadey101 wrote:I agree with Ent on this one, he's clearly gone for the ball and unfortunately for him the other players has just nicked the ball away first. It probably should have been a red card for dangerous play but it's not at all deliberate and if he'd have just got to the ball first there'd have been nothing said about it

Just think it's unfortunate the boy has potentially a bad injury, don't think it was that terrible a tackle - a lot of force behind it and if you miss you should go.

He launched himself in like a missile, feet first above knee height. Even if he missed the player that is still a red card for dangerous play.

It is a truly horrific challenge and equally as worrying is muppets like you saying it was only "possibly a red". Do you have to assassinate someone to get a red.

I understand your feeling as you've lost in injury time to a goal that should have been disallowed and a player of yours has been imjured but you need to see it as it is.

He went in very hard but he swings his boot to clear the ball with his instep, if he had straight legs the whole time I'd agree with you. A split second difference in him clearing the ball 100% fairly and the unfortunate injury we have witnessed.

He didn't go in like a missle two feet first above knee height, or to try and hurt the guy. Had he got a red no one would have complained but vilfying him was wrong as was the coaches reaction at half time towards a guy has been comitted to a tackle and unforuntely injured a fellow pro.

I also said holt was lucky to stay on the pitch for going in with two feet on the keeper earlier - unfortunately people judge events on the resulting damage rather than what has gone on

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:52 pm

Staggering

by CFCNick Sun 17 Mar 2013, 8:18 pm

The incident in the Wigan game is just the same as Nani against Real Madrid. Both players had intent for the ball only, both players missed the ball and got the man, Nani was sent off because he caught a guy in the abdomen with his studs, McMannaman wasn't sent off because the referee bottled it/didn't see it, I've seen the incident on a US feed whilst watching Chelsea but not the whole thing so don't know where the ref was looking.

Yes I agree with Ent on this point only, he went for the ball and had no malicious intent but, this is what I think and makes me agree with the majority, and it's the most crucial point, whether or not your intentions are to win the ball you don't go in like that because if the ball is touched you'll end up catching someone in a nasty way. With anymore force he could have broken the other players leg. To quote the great Ray Wilkins "Keep your feet on the ground!"

by GSC Sun 17 Mar 2013, 8:25 pm

I don't think anyone is saying he meant to break the guys leg, but you simply cannot tackle like that. Dangerous play

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 8:31 pm

MockingJay33 wrote:The incident in the Wigan game is just the same as Nani against Real Madrid. Both players had intent for the ball only, both players missed the ball and got the man, Nani was sent off because he caught a guy in the abdomen with his studs, McMannaman wasn't sent off because the referee bottled it/didn't see it, I've seen the incident on a US feed whilst watching Chelsea but not the whole thing so don't know where the ref was looking.

Yes I agree with Ent on this point only, he went for the ball and had no malicious intent but, this is what I think and makes me agree with the majority, and it's the most crucial point, whether or not your intentions are to win the ball you don't go in like that because if the ball is touched you'll end up catching someone in a nasty way. With anymore force he could have broken the other players leg. To quote the great Ray Wilkins "Keep your feet on the ground!"

I can't deny he went in very hard and could (probably should) have been sent off, just don't think it is as wreckless as many are making out and that far less would have been made of it had the fullback walked away from it.

Ironically perhaps I'm the one making the most of it!

by JDizzle Sun 17 Mar 2013, 9:03 pm

Reckless and very dangerous, yes. Red card, without a doubt. Was he going for the ball, yes. Was it an accident, yes. Standard 3 match ban and that's enough IMO.

by Ent Sun 17 Mar 2013, 9:06 pm

JDizzle wrote:Reckless and very dangerous, yes. Red card, without a doubt. Was he going for the ball, yes. Was it an accident, yes. Standard 3 match ban and that's enough IMO.

Agreed.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 17 Mar 2013, 10:46 pm

Wow how does the lino not see that sending off? He's looking RIGHT at it! You have to wonder if they actually talk to each other sometimes the officials.

The ref, fair enough, has a man mountain in Sissoko in his way

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 17 Mar 2013, 11:34 pm

LOOK AT THE OFFSIDE FOR THE PENALTY YOU POOR PUNDITS!!!!

by Lumbering_Jack Mon 18 Mar 2013, 11:56 am

Looks like the FA are going to be taking action for that disgraceful lunge on Hairada yesterday.

Is a 3 game ban enough?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 18 Mar 2013, 1:06 pm

by Stella Mon 18 Mar 2013, 1:11 pm

Difficult to know whether he intended it but it was a bad challenge, and done with a poor technique, so maybe he did lose his head?

by GSC Mon 18 Mar 2013, 1:12 pm

Regardless of whether he gets the ball, you simply cannot tackle like that. Dangerous play, I'd go to 4/5 to set the tone.

by **hampo17** Mon 18 Mar 2013, 1:19 pm

It was a very poor tackle, however the Newcastle coaching staff let the club down with their reaction at half time. He's a young lad and I'm sure he knew he had done something bad, however for them to react like a couple of thugs is disgraceful. Sadly it'll get brushed under the carpet by the FA.

by Lumbering_Jack Mon 18 Mar 2013, 1:22 pm

"He's a young lad"...

So what. He is an adult.

A few years back Nolan was sued by Victor Anichabe after he lunged in with an awful challenge. Victor was out for 6 months from memory and managed to secure a decent pay out. Nolans challenge looks harmless compared to that scum bag from Wigan.

by **hampo17** Mon 18 Mar 2013, 1:24 pm

The coaches shouldn't be reacting like mindless thugs, you'd expect that kind of behaviour from the fans but the coaches should know better.

Can you imagine if he hadn't been restrained by the stewards? I genuinely believe he would have smacked McManaman. Is that the type of behaviour you want in your staff?

by Lumbering_Jack Mon 18 Mar 2013, 1:26 pm

Eye for an eye. Can't say I would be bothered...

Few years ago my brother was glassed... So his friends hospitalised the kid, fully deserved in my opinion.

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