Excuses if Wales win the championship?

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43 minutes into round one, the championship was something of an unimaginable dream. The odds were probably 250 billion-1 for Wales to even make a top half finish. It went from France / England being tournament favourites to a certain Irish grand slam.

Looking back I think the ineptitude Wales showed for 43 mins was a blessing in disguise. A kick up the backside, a motivator.

3 and a half matches later we find that Wales are just a gnats pube away from back to back championships. England are unbeaten, but that is less of a surprise. If England win it will be deserved. If Wales win it will be the comeback of all comebacks.

Both teams can do this. My question is, what will the excuses be if Wales do win?

Just thinking, Wales are the only side to have scored a try in every game this season. That is pretty poor form from the rest.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Just thinking, Wales are the only side to have scored a try in every game this season. That is pretty poor form from the rest.

There have been some tough games, but full credit with that stat and the fact that four of those tries were in our three away games. Promisingly we scored thee in thirty minutes at home on our last outing...! Lets hope the lads are in try scoring form this weekend.

Talk about selective memory! What about the four we conceded, Maes?

I don't know if Wales don't deserve to win, but one things for sure, we need bonus points in this tournament or some sort of restructure!

Playoffs at the bottom with European Nations would be better too.

This is coming from a Scottish fan! So I'd expect us to be playing Georgia at least every other year!

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Talk about selective memory! What about the four we conceded, Maes?

That was before those thirty minutes, where we very much seemed to turn a corner. Not selective memory more case in point mate.

You can't just discount them though. That would be like telling someone that getting drunk is brilliant fun but not mentioning the hangover.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:You can't just discount them though. That would be like telling someone that getting drunk is brilliant fun but not mentioning the hangover.

I trust you're not referring to any 70s legends with this comment, Luckless.

Back to the OP question.

A: England were just not quite good enough to do it.

Reverse excuse for Wales if England do win it.

Apparently the reason Wales are not going for the Grandslam now as well as England is because of Aaron Shingler playing against Ireland (Howley's words!) as opposed to Tipuric and Warburton starting.

So if we are losing, he can bring Shingler on and blame him again.

Poor old Aaron

".... your country needs you son... so just go out there and be our excuse..."

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Apparently the reason Wales are not going for the Grandslam now as well as England is because of Aaron Shingler playing against Ireland (Howley's words!) as opposed to Tipuric and Warburton starting.

So if we are losing, he can bring Shingler on and blame him again.

Where did you get that idea from. Shingler was injured very early in the game, it would be hard to blame him.

maestegmafia wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Apparently the reason Wales are not going for the Grandslam now as well as England is because of Aaron Shingler playing against Ireland (Howley's words!) as opposed to Tipuric and Warburton starting.

So if we are losing, he can bring Shingler on and blame him again.

Where did you get that idea from. Shingler was injured very early in the game, it would be hard to blame him.

Bit tongue in cheek mate, Howler made a comment along the lines of the Ireland game may have been different from the start if he had selected Tipuric and Warbs. And if that is the case, then the excuse for the first half would be the selection of Shingler

I honestly don't believe that Shingler as blamed for the result, and even though he was not his usually self in that game there were worse offenders that afternoon.

You should also add to the excuses - injuries.

also players being absent when playing Wales such as Parisse and most of the French side in their proper positions.

beshocked wrote:You should also add to the excuses - injuries.

also players being absent when playing Wales such as Parisse and most of the French side in their proper positions.

Ill give you Parisse, though when the French played England thy took off all the right players and handed England the game... so i wouldn't say that you could reasonably use that excuse.

Now this gets interesting...

The Ref didn't help, what was the problem with Tom Youngs that meant the scrum mark had to be reset several times?

He was stood behind where Walsh set the mark.

Wales would have won anyway but I said all along Walsh would cause us problems some of the binding at Scrum time was poor from both teams yet 90% went against England.

That just shows that Wales played the ref better,showed their experience.

It is amazing only 7 people got the answer right...!

Hang on, Wales did deserve to win that Championship, both last years GS and this one, but, i have to say that the class shown on the pitch by the welsh team and players is so very rarely mirrored by their Fans.

english warrior wrote: Hang on, Wales did deserve to win that Championship, both last years GS and this one, but, i have to say that the class shown on the pitch by the welsh team and players is so very rarely mirrored by their Fans.

Says the ones blaming the ref.

No-one has blamed the ref.

No not even the English coaches - they just feel Walsh was poor. He was, though no worse than a dozen Englishmen.

Anyone blaming the ref is an idiot.

Anyone claiming we are blaming the ref is also an idiot.

LondonTiger wrote:No-one has blamed the ref.

No not even the English coaches - they just feel Walsh was poor. He was, though no worse than a dozen Englishmen.

Anyone blaming the ref is an idiot.

Anyone claiming we are blaming the ref is also an idiot.

+1

yappysnap wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:No-one has blamed the ref.

No not even the English coaches - they just feel Walsh was poor. He was, though no worse than a dozen Englishmen.

Anyone blaming the ref is an idiot.

Anyone claiming we are blaming the ref is also an idiot.

+1

Chequered Jersey has pointed out several decisions by the ref in the game that he considers questionable, is he an idiot....? He also took the time to allocate the times during the video when these incidents happen....!



In my opinion England had lost the championship when they played France. France came out all guns blazing England did very well to get back into the game, but France had sown the seeds of doubt in England's confidence, Italy reinforced those doubts by the time England reached Cardiff they needed to get an amazing start to get their confidence back.

Maes,

CJ has highlighted where he thinks there may be reasons for Rowntree to seek clarification on why a penalty was (or was not) given. He has not said that Walsh was the reason that Wales won.

It is possible for Wales to have been far superior and Walsh to have made questionable calls.

Any one who does say that Walsh is the reason Wales won is an idiot.

LondonTiger wrote:No-one has blamed the ref.

No not even the English coaches - they just feel Walsh was poor. He was, though no worse than a dozen Englishmen.

Anyone blaming the ref is an idiot.

Anyone claiming we are blaming the ref is also an idiot.

class answer tiger

actually english fans, as a welshman and prop I am prety unhappy abou tthis 'admission' that Wales dropped the scrum and conned Walsh...that is not rugby as far as I am concerned and if people want to be angry then they justifiably have a right to be angry with that....i am just staggered any 'admission' was made. in the end this is all academic as usual....walsh courts controversy eveywhere, now he will be steve welsh, remember it was him who denied you that last gasp try in the same game last year.

100%beefy wrote:actually english fans, as a welshman and prop I am prety unhappy abou tthis 'admission' that Wales dropped the scrum and conned Walsh...that is not rugby as far as I am concerned and if people want to be angry then they justifiably have a right to be angry with that....i am just staggered any 'admission' was made. in the end this is all academic as usual....walsh courts controversy eveywhere, now he will be steve welsh, remember it was him who denied you that last gasp try in the same game last year.

considering that england didnt really have a very effective scrum all championship, where as Wales Scrum become more and more superior throughout, it is not a huge surprise that England received a tough day at the office.

I hope Graham Rowntree gets his clarification on the Rules from the IRB's Mon. Judge, who incidently was the referee for Wales vs England in Cardiff in 1993, another win for Wales.

So Wales admit they 'Dropped the scrum' and conned Walsh. Well i say good luckto them and it didn't materially alter the result, Wales were better!!


However it just shows what an absolute naughty naughty boy Mr W is, and lets be honest he didn't need much encouragement to punish England.

maestegmafia wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Talk about selective memory! What about the four we conceded, Maes?

That was before those thirty minutes, where we very much seemed to turn a corner. Not selective memory more case in point mate.

THREE tries. All in the first match.

1. Bod genius
2. Chargedown
3. Bod pushover

Take away the BOD factor and we're left with a chargedown. Welsh nerves made too many errors in the first half and they threw away countless first half chances to score points.

what irritates me most is it feeds the poor losers amongst English fans who won't accept they were thrashed and also that we played intelligent rugby yet have to gob off about this which demeans the nature of the win, the game and also will mean future refs will look for this tactic...i just watched the replay - in polish - on youtube. Walsh is pinging England on 50/50s because whereas the weslh front row stay on their feet and bend at the hip, the english invariably go to the knee i.e. collapse so these pens were justifiable if poorly won. There a a couple that are debatable but had not wales coughed this tactic you coul have just said england got smashed at scrum time because they did

english warrior wrote:
So Wales admit they 'Dropped the scrum' and conned Walsh. Well i say good luckto them and it didn't materially alter the result, Wales were better!!


However it just shows what an absolute naughty naughty boy Mr W is, and lets be honest he didn't need much encouragement to punish England.

Hold on how is Walsh naughty if Wales dropped the scrummed and conned him? Naive, foolish, poor ref may be but not naughty.

Wales absolutely obliterated England everywhere.

It's hard to take cuz nobody expected it and it's taken over 30 years for Wales to dish out this kind of no mercy unsympathetic thrashing.

I wish HERSH was still here. He ain't even been on the BBC boards hahaha.

Aye, no complaints from me. Apart from a few dubious ref calls Whats irking me tho is the constant rubbing our noses in it with made up sh1t stirring stories, bad recycled jokes and taken out of context news. Mainly coming from ppl who are only interested in rugby 6 weeks a year..

Poor English losers.

mikey_philVIII wrote:Poor English losers.

For the love of God, pretty much every England fan on here has congratulated you and admitted Wales were excellent and England were poor.

Get over yourselves, and enjoy the win, you deserve to. Stop wumming- it is getting seriously old.

There's such a thing as being a bad winner too.

it is getting seriously old.

2003 is old Bluestone - we are 4-5 days in following some many months of ridicule - allow them their days in the sun particularly with the sour grapes coming from all angles

RubyGuby wrote:it is getting seriously old.

2003 is old Bluestone - we are 4-5 days in following some many months of ridicule - allow them their days in the sun particularly with the sour grapes coming from all angles

Surely if the grapes have been in the sun they wouldn't be sour?

As long as you can live with the wums Cyril you'll be ok. But if these wums play their A game, there's no way you'll be able to live with them

100%beefy wrote:actually english fans, as a welshman and prop I am prety unhappy abou tthis 'admission' that Wales dropped the scrum and conned Walsh...that is not rugby as far as I am concerned and if people want to be angry then they justifiably have a right to be angry with that....i am just staggered any 'admission' was made. in the end this is all academic as usual....walsh courts controversy eveywhere, now he will be steve welsh, remember it was him who denied you that last gasp try in the same game last year.

They admitted that after the Scottish game too, where Joubert was totally out of his depth and 1000x worst than Walsh was

Seems the Welsh are learning how to be pitch smart (which is one way of putting it)

mikey_philVIII wrote:Poor English losers.

Poor Welsh winners.
This would be worth its own dedicated thread.

Gregor - allow them their week in the sun - On Friday one of your fellow countrymen posted me stating that "If England get into their stride Wales will not be able to live with them" - I said I think we will be able to live with them. Its just that sort of post that deserves a weeks rebuffing

As the mouth said to the straw